Gaeta Posted November 17, 2021 Posted November 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, ironpony said: It was said before that the manager will not let this go though, and that it will forever be personal. Who said that?
Author ironpony Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 On 11/15/2021 at 11:47 AM, Alvi said: No, it is not good. You should be very worried. Once HR is involved, it is never good. Right now you have a target on your back or so to speak. Like I said in my earlier post, it is a beginning of a very bumpy roller coaster ride till they either fire you or you quit on your own. Well in this post it was said that it is going to be personal forever. I gathered from this post that they are not going to let it go and let bygons be bygons, now that I have signed it and wanting to move on and just keep it about business.
basil67 Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 @ironpony please do not take any posts (including my own!) as a definitive answer as to what is going to happen. We are all just giving opinions based on our personal experiences. Treat our comments as opinions rather than facts.
Author ironpony Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 That's true maybe I am too much about the worst case scenario, but should I try to have a talk about it, and try to get back on good terms even so?
Wiseman2 Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 4 hours ago, ironpony said: Well in this post it was said that it is going to be personal forever. Who is telling you this? What does "personal forever" mean? In what post? Yes it's in your file. You read the form? You signed it acknowledged the complaints, and by signing agreed to follow what it stated? That's all you need to do. Stop inappropriate behaviors how it was outlined by your employer.
Author ironpony Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) Oh yes, I signed it and want to abide by it, but even though I am now, I do not want to have a permanent target on my back is what I mean. I agreed to do what has asked and want bygones to be bygones now, and would like them to do the same. Edited November 18, 2021 by ironpony
Wiseman2 Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, ironpony said: I do not want to have a permanent target on my back is what I mean. Too late. It's in your file so you'll have to change your behavior. Yes they'll keep a closer eye on you now that you've received a written warning.
Author ironpony Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 Oh yes, but what I mean is if I change the behavior, like I have so far, will they go back to being about business, and nothing personal, and just let it go?
Wiseman2 Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, ironpony said: , will they go back to being about business, and nothing personal, and just let it go? Why won't you answer what "nothing personal" means? Because it makes no sense. It's in your file. You need to abide by whatever it is you agreed to in writing. No. They are not going to forget about it. That's why they put it in writing. 1
Author ironpony Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 Oh well what I mean is, if they are going to let it bother them continuously from now on, even though I am doing the work for them and what they ask of me, then it's personal to them. Why do they have to make it personal is what I mean, by letting it bother them and they care more about that than the work. 1
ExpatInItaly Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 50 minutes ago, ironpony said: Oh well what I mean is, if they are going to let it bother them continuously from now on, even though I am doing the work for them and what they ask of me, then it's personal to them. No, it is not. It's a professional breach of protocol. It's not about "letting it bother them" - it's about keeping an eye on an employee they don't feel is conducting himself appropriately. This isn't like most friendships or relationships, OP. It's a professional guideline to make sure the person in question is behaving himself at work. 1
Author ironpony Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 Oh okay. Well hopefully things will be okay from now on and I will not leave with her for lunch again and try to be professional.
Alvi Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, ironpony said: I agreed to do what has asked and want bygones to be bygones now, and would like them to do the same. That's not how it works. Once you signed something, it does becomes a part of your work record. They may not mention again to you it if you do what they've asked you to do but this paper is going stay in your file. Understand, that this is not personal for them. Don't talk to them about it anymore. Bringing it up over and over again is not going to do anything, really. Just go on and concentrate on your work. Understand that you are being watched closely, but there is not much you can do to change that fact. But at the same time don't get so nervous thinking about it to the point where it would affect your performance negatively. Be the best worker there you can be. Also, act very professional during your working hours, including your break times. And that probably means talking to your GF about acting more professional at form too. Astutely no more I Love You's, no hugging, no kissing, no more eating with the same fork while at work. None of that whatsoever. Don't go to her with helping you to do your job. Act cordial with one another but what's about it. No more leaving together for the lunch break as you asked not to. Don't do anything that can be interpreted as unprofessional. 8 hours ago, ironpony said: I will not leave with her for lunch again and try to be professional. Don't try. Do it. Edited November 18, 2021 by Alvi 1
Author ironpony Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, Alvi said: That's not how it works. Once you signed something, it does becomes a part of your work record. They may not mention again to you it if you do what they've asked you to do but this paper is going stay in your file. Understand, that this is not personal for them. Don't talk to them about it anymore. Bringing it up over and over again is not going to do anything, really. Just go on and concentrate on your work. Understand that you are being watched closely, but there is not much you can do to change that fact. But at the same time don't get so nervous thinking about it to the point where it would affect your performance negatively. Be the best worker there you can be. Also, act very professional during your working hours, including your break times. And that probably means talking to your GF about acting more professional at form too. Astutely no more I Love You's, no hugging, no kissing, no more eating with the same fork while at work. None of that whatsoever. Don't go to her with helping you to do your job. Act cordial with one another but what's about it. No more leaving together for the lunch break as you asked not to. Don't do anything that can be interpreted as unprofessional. Don't try. Do it. Okay thanks. We never did need hugging or kissing though so I think it was just the fork thing and I love you if that was the only two things.
Author ironpony Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 So I talked to her and her theory as to why I had to sign something and she didn't, was because technically she was off at lunch, that day when we went for lunch. It was a while ago, so I didn't remember that she was off that day till she told me now. But since she was off for lunch, she was allowed to leave, where as I wasn't allowed to leave with her, even though I was back on time. Does that make sense as to why I had to sign something and she didn't, if that sounds like a correct theory?
Alvi Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 Was it also your time to have lunch when you left with her? Or did you leave at the time that you were not supposed to leave? For example, is your lunchtime is supposed to be from 1pm till 2pm, but you leave from 12 pm till 1 pm on that day instead?
Author ironpony Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 Just now, Alvi said: Was it also your time to have lunch when you left with her? Or did you leave at the time that you were not supposed to leave? For example, is your lunchtime is supposed to be from 1pm till 2pm, but you leave from 12 pm till 1 pm on that day instead? I left about 15 minutes later and returned 15 minutes later, but I didn't think it was bad, because I still took the same amount of time. It's not like I have co-workers I have to work with and my job is just me at a computer all by myself mostly. But if that was the case, then yes. I only did it because she was going through a personal family crisis and I wanted to be there for her just to talk to her during the lunch but was still back on time. I explained to them. I signed the form saying I wouldn't leave with her again.
ExpatInItaly Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 57 minutes ago, ironpony said: I left about 15 minutes later and returned 15 minutes later, but I didn't think it was bad, because I still took the same amount of time. So in other words, you returned 15 minutes late for work. If you left 15 minutes after your scheduled break time, you should still be back to work at the end of your scheduled break-time and not just assume staying gone for the full hour would be fine. Unless your company is flexible about these things, that was a bad idea. 1
Author ironpony Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, ExpatInItaly said: So in other words, you returned 15 minutes late for work. If you left 15 minutes after your scheduled break time, you should still be back to work at the end of your scheduled break-time and not just assume staying gone for the full hour would be fine. Unless your company is flexible about these things, that was a bad idea. I didn't think it was late, because I still taken the same amount of time. I suppose it was late if I was on a time scheduling, but since I work alone at a computer all day, and I still met the deadlines and still worked just as much, I thought it would be fine. I was wrong if that was the case. But the meeting and the form made it sound more like it was about me and her then it was about me deciding to take lunch 15 minutes later than usual, so I didn't think it was about that, unless maybe it was. But also, just because are breaks are at certain times, it's not like we can just drop everything and go for them. If I am working on the computer, it's best to get to a certain point where I can save, and not have to loose my spot. If I take a few minutes to do that, then it's just better rather than leaving at an odd spot where I cannot save as organized. So I thought this was understood, that it's okay to take a few minutes to do that, but maybe I'm wrong. Edited November 18, 2021 by ironpony
ExpatInItaly Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, ironpony said: I didn't think it was late, because I still taken the same amount of time. I suppose it was late if I was on a time scheduling, but since I work alone at a computer all day, and I still met the deadlines and still worked just as much, I thought it would be fine. The point is that you should have clarified with your boss before you decided it would be fine. You don't make the policy, but you need to abide by it. 1
Author ironpony Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 Oh okay, but lately I feel that my work has been suffering just a bit by going exactly on time, because I like to finish tasks before going for breaks, rather than drop everything. For example, I went for break exactly on time yesterday as a result of this form I signed, and I had to leave a mess, or shipped products as a result, and people kept asking about the mess. I got back and had to explain, etc. But I feel I wouldn't have had to, let this mess get in other people's way, if I could just take a few minutes to clean it up before lunch. But I guess it's best to just follow the rules and drop everything to go, even if it means leaving a mess?
Girl Fade Away Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, ironpony said: Oh okay, but lately I feel that my work has been suffering just a bit by going exactly on time, because I like to finish tasks before going for breaks, rather than drop everything. For example, I went for break exactly on time yesterday as a result of this form I signed, and I had to leave a mess, or shipped products as a result, and people kept asking about the mess. I got back and had to explain, etc. But I feel I wouldn't have had to, let this mess get in other people's way, if I could just take a few minutes to clean it up before lunch. But I guess it's best to just follow the rules and drop everything to go, even if it means leaving a mess? Why not ask your boss what they would prefer? That is what I always do when faced with a conflicting situation at my job. I think it is OK to ask "would you prefer I complete the task or clean up before I leave for break and leave a little bit later? Or is OK to leave it and complete after I return from break"? I do not see anything wrong with that, I always ask my supervisor questions when confused about what he would prefer relating to prioritizing tasks, leaving for breaks, etc. Edited November 18, 2021 by Girl Fade Away
Author ironpony Posted November 19, 2021 Author Posted November 19, 2021 Okay thanks. I did ask. The boss prefers I just drop everything and go, but the co-workers do not seem to like it as much if there are things unattended as a result. But if that's what the boss wants...
Author ironpony Posted November 19, 2021 Author Posted November 19, 2021 Well apparently I am getting a promotion and a raise, or so I am being told in an email so far, so I guess that means I was likely wrong about worrying about this perhaps. 1
ASG Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 12 hours ago, ironpony said: Okay thanks. I did ask. The boss prefers I just drop everything and go, but the co-workers do not seem to like it as much if there are things unattended as a result. But if that's what the boss wants... If that's what the boss prefers, definitely do THAT. It doesn't really matter what your co-workers think about it. You can tell them it's the boss' orders! 5 hours ago, ironpony said: Well apparently I am getting a promotion and a raise, or so I am being told in an email so far, so I guess that means I was likely wrong about worrying about this perhaps. That's good news. Hope it comes through.
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