Author RileyG Posted November 3, 2020 Author Posted November 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Wiseman2 said: Didn't you resolve this when "someone"sent them to him? We talked yesterday yes
Ellener Posted November 3, 2020 Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Tigrael said: This is terrible and incorrect advice. OP is not eligible for asylum status in the UK due to Covid. She can go back without a fear of persecution, no idea where you got that idea from. And just marrying her boyfriend will NOT make her a UK citizen. There are a number of other factors involved that need to be fulfilled, as well as a number of years. Do not give incorrect advice about something you have no knowledge about. I am curious though OP, what is your status in the UK? What visa/work permit do you have? I'm English born and bred; almost everyone gets to stay in England who applies for political asylum. Here are the rules https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum And yes marriage will make her eligible to apply for UK citizenship. People get permanent residence status or 'indefinite leave' to stay in the country first. Here are the details https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-spouse The biggest problem is applicants are not always granted leave to work, a rule which if I remember correctly was supposed to protect jobs for existing UK citizens. People still can apply for benefits and get free health care though. Edited November 3, 2020 by Ellener spelling
Ellener Posted November 3, 2020 Posted November 3, 2020 8 hours ago, ExpatInItaly said: Is there something in your past you haven't' shared with your fiancé? Something that you fear will end your relaitonship? I'm a bit confused about the whole story. I'm sorry @RileyGI misread/misunderstood, I thought you were being blackmailed or exploited by having taken the photos. Hope you are doing okay.
SincereOnlineGuy Posted November 3, 2020 Posted November 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Trail Blazer said: Way off-topic, but this paragraph reminded me of the Netflix series The Haunting of Bly Manor. The little English girl, Flora, would describe everything as "perfectly splendid." The tone of my offering (that you quoted) was such that I wanted to acknowledge that perhaps a consensus of wise people who might have had opportunity to opine on this (whirlwind romance) from its inception, might have leaned heavily toward her not leaping up and going as she did. BUT, in her case, she made the bold move, and it seems to have worked-out, and everything beyond her control seems in-order (specifically HIS interest in maintaining the romance)... so the last thing she would want to do is sabotage her own potential future with her own unfounded fears of the distant past having a significant and adverse impact on her present (bliss). This IS the time to step-up, (first realizing that all of the girls who hated her back in high school are a giant ocean away, and that the environment doesn't contain anybody else in front of whom she in 2020 needs to feel grand embarrassment), and s-p-e-l-l o-u-t every concern she has, to her partner, holding nothing back, and making every effort toward continuing her relationship.
Trail Blazer Posted November 3, 2020 Posted November 3, 2020 4 hours ago, SincereOnlineGuy said: The tone of my offering (that you quoted) was such that I wanted to acknowledge that perhaps a consensus of wise people who might have had opportunity to opine on this (whirlwind romance) from its inception, might have leaned heavily toward her not leaping up and going as she did. BUT, in her case, she made the bold move, and it seems to have worked-out, and everything beyond her control seems in-order (specifically HIS interest in maintaining the romance)... so the last thing she would want to do is sabotage her own potential future with her own unfounded fears of the distant past having a significant and adverse impact on her present (bliss). This IS the time to step-up, (first realizing that all of the girls who hated her back in high school are a giant ocean away, and that the environment doesn't contain anybody else in front of whom she in 2020 needs to feel grand embarrassment), and s-p-e-l-l o-u-t every concern she has, to her partner, holding nothing back, and making every effort toward continuing her relationship. I agree. It sounds like she's living out every girl's dream. It's almost like a real-life Cinderella story. Whisked away from the hustle and bustle of the sometimes harsh, dog-eat-dog world of NYC by a charming and very wealthy British man. OP; you need to realize just how lucky you are (I think you kinda do) and do everything in your power to not sabotage this.
Author RileyG Posted November 4, 2020 Author Posted November 4, 2020 7 hours ago, Trail Blazer said: I agree. It sounds like she's living out every girl's dream. It's almost like a real-life Cinderella story. Whisked away from the hustle and bustle of the sometimes harsh, dog-eat-dog world of NYC by a charming and very wealthy British man. OP; you need to realize just how lucky you are (I think you kinda do) and do everything in your power to not sabotage this. I realize how lucky I am, every morning when I was up and realize I am next to my fiance in the UK and not alone in NY. Even though NY is massive I felt alone! I wouldn't change anything. I just need learn British!
poppyfields Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, RileyG said: I wouldn't change anything. I just need learn British! The British speak English Riley, same as Americans. I've visited many times, cool place, would love to live there myself! Not much to learn really. All the best. Edited November 4, 2020 by poppyfields
Author RileyG Posted November 4, 2020 Author Posted November 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, poppyfields said: The British speak English Riley, same as Americans. I've visited many times, cool place, would love to live there myself! Not much to learn really. All the best. I mean the British ways and you'd think languages are the same but they are not. I asked for chips. I got french fries. I didn't want french fries.
poppyfields Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, RileyG said: I mean the British ways and you'd think languages are the same but they are not. I asked for chips. I got french fries. I didn't want french fries. Lol, okay fair enough. You'll catch on. I did, very quickly. Embrace and enjoy your new life. Be happy!
ThereSheGoes Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 I think you know that you overreacted. I understand that emotions are not rational, they can cause us to do things that are not intelligent. But if he loves you, the way that he said that he does....why would he care? You are living out a Hallmark movie plot, and you are getting anxiety over pictures and some comments from haters whose only lot in life is to hate. I'm happy that you have found your prince. Because lord knows, that for a lot of us, thats not gonna happen. You got him. He's not going anywhere. Put those fears and insecurities aside. He loves you with your insecurities. Every thing is fine. He's fine, the relationship is fine. The only one who isn't fine right now....is you. Breathe.
balletomane Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) On 11/3/2020 at 4:11 PM, Ellener said: I'm English born and bred; almost everyone gets to stay in England who applies for political asylum. Here are the rules https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum I am also English, and this is absolutely not true. I'm a doctor who used to provide medical evidence to support asylum claims for a charity aiding torture survivors who had come to the UK. It is challenging to claim asylum here and under the current government it's been getting even harder. We have people whose bodies show signs of severe torture and who are suffering obvious PTSD being locked up in detention centres like Yarl's Wood and deported, even though it's obvious to anyone who cares about the evidence and who has a jot of compassion that they certainly meet criteria for political asylum. I had patients who were raped, abused, and threatened with death for being lesbian told by jeering Home Office officials that they needed to provide them with "video evidence" (so lesbian porn) to "prove" their sexuality. And to make it all so much more difficult, if an asylum claim is refused, you aren't allowed to use any of your original evidence in the final appeal - so if a survivor submitted medical evidence of torture in their first claim none of that would be taken into account and they'd have to provide entirely new information, which obviously many people can't do. There is a culture of disbelief in the asylum courts and the Home Office solicitors are notoriously aggressive in their questioning. The Court of Appeal has just recently ruled that the Home Office deportation procedures are unlawful, as they've been depriving people of their right to access legal advice. These are the hurdles facing people fleeing war and life-threatening persecution. An American trying to claim asylum because of Covid-19 would have no chance at all. Your interpretation of the government's website is certainly not how the asylum courts view it. I know this is off-topic, but it's an issue very close to my heart - British citizens need to be aware of just how brutal and inhumane the asylum process is in this country. Edited November 4, 2020 by balletomane 3 1 1
SoulCat Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/2/2020 at 9:01 PM, Ellener said: If your boyfriend marries you you will become a UK citizen. Absolutely and categorically not true. You can of course apply for citizenship, but that is an entirely different and fairly costly process. You do not automatically become British upon marrying your British spouse.
poppyfields Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, SoulCat said: Absolutely and categorically not true. You can of course apply for citizenship, but that is an entirely different and fairly costly process. You do not automatically become British upon marrying your British spouse. Same in the U.S SoulCat. >>"Marriage to a U.S. citizen does not guarantee a green card or U.S. citizenship. Applications for U.S. green cards through marriage are scrutinized carefully, because the government takes fraudulent marriage very seriously.<<" I believe there are 13 countries that do though, England (the UK) not being one of them, like you said. Edited November 4, 2020 by poppyfields
Ellener Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, SoulCat said: Absolutely and categorically not true. You can of course apply for citizenship, but that is an entirely different and fairly costly process. You do not automatically become British upon marrying your British spouse. Yes you will become a UK citizen.Here is what the UK Law states.
poppyfields Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, Ellener said: Yes you will become a UK citizen.Here is what the UK Law states. Did you mean to attach a link Ellener? I didn't see it on mine.
Trail Blazer Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 8 hours ago, poppyfields said: The British speak English Riley, same as Americans. I've visited many times, cool place, would love to live there myself! Not much to learn really. All the best. So have I - visited many times! I find the majority of Londoners easy to understand. It's the Scots who I find incredibly difficult to make sense of. Sometimes I have to wonder if they indeed speak English! 1
poppyfields Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Trail Blazer said: So have I - visited many times! I find the majority of Londoners easy to understand. It's the Scots who I find incredibly difficult to make sense of. Sometimes I have to wonder if they indeed speak English! OMG, the Scots, same for me! 1
Ellener Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, poppyfields said: Did you mean to attach a link Ellener? I didn't see it on mine. Sorry. Here's the link.https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-spouse
SoulCat Posted November 4, 2020 Posted November 4, 2020 47 minutes ago, Ellener said: Yes you will become a UK citizen.Here is what the UK Law states. No Ellener, as a foreigner you will not automatically become British upon marriage. That is nonsense. I, as a foreigner, married a Brit in 2009. I'm still a foreigner. I could have chosen to become a British citizen and applied for citizenship regardless of my marital status. But I would need to apply for it, married to a Brit or not. Your attached link even reads 'apply-citizenship-spouse'. So yes, you absolutely can become a British citizen, but there is an application process involved where you need to pay some hefty fees and adhere to the eligibility rules. It's all right there in the article you linked here.
Ellener Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 4 hours ago, SoulCat said: No Ellener, as a foreigner you will not automatically become British upon marriage. That is nonsense. I, as a foreigner, married a Brit in 2009. I'm still a foreigner. I could have chosen to become a British citizen and applied for citizenship regardless of my marital status. But I would need to apply for it, married to a Brit or not. Your attached link even reads 'apply-citizenship-spouse'. So yes, you absolutely can become a British citizen, but there is an application process involved where you need to pay some hefty fees and adhere to the eligibility rules. It's all right there in the article you linked here. You chose not to apply. My closest friend here in America chose not to take up US citizenship here, I did not really understand why. She could be both a UK citizen and US citizen. She is wealthy so probably won't ever need health care or benefits or housing or a state pension, but I think it leaves you in a precarious living situation without citizenship getting older. You should probably make your application. £1,330 is I think the application fee and then there will be lawyer charges if you use a lawyer to process the application. Sorry I did not make these things clear, I've been an American too long, everything always comes with charges here. We were talking at cros purposes, I am sorry.
Author RileyG Posted November 5, 2020 Author Posted November 5, 2020 I wouldn't get full citizenship right now. I don't qualify. I barely qualified for indefinite leave to remain. I am just happy to be allowed here.
Miss Spider Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 Very interesting re citizenship there. I didn’t know
poppyfields Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Ellener said: Sorry. Here's the link.https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-spouse Thanks Ellener, so it's not automatic upon marriage, you have to apply. Same here in the US. Edited November 5, 2020 by poppyfields
poppyfields Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, RileyG said: I wouldn't get full citizenship right now. I don't qualify. I barely qualified for indefinite leave to remain. I am just happy to be allowed here. Last I checked, certain foreigners (U.S.) are granted an automatic six months visitors Visa/pass. You still must apply though. This was years ago however. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable who lives there could clarify that. Edited November 5, 2020 by poppyfields
Ellener Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, poppyfields said: Thanks Ellener, so it's not automatic upon marriage, you have to apply. Same here in the US. Here in the US I had to hold a 'green card' for five years ( without commiting any crime! ) then the citizenship was a separate application, when I did it it was very straightforward I think it cost about $1000, which is not affordable for everyone I know. I'm sorry if I mislead anyone, of course in most countries there is an application process.
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