Beendaredonedat Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 Where's Bloomberg and his money when You need him?
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Gaeta said: US Stock Market is bouncing back up! It's caused by more serious measures being taken in the US to fight the coronavirus. Morgan Standly warns though, if those measures are stopped too early the market will plunge again because lifting the isolation meaures too early would be worse and the curve would peak even higher. Re: Cnn business section. the stock market is based on perceptions/feelings... yes, they have analysts who predict and value stocks up and down... but the buying and selling is all based on perception/feelings... and as most analyst will tell you, don't judge the market based on a short blimp up or down... long term... also, the stock market has been known to go up when the job market for most americans stagnant or dip... (shrug)... perceptions and feelings... that's the stock market.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, Beendaredonedat said: Where's Bloomberg and his money when You need him? i think he blew half a billion on his lost presidential campaign. man... that's a lot of whoppers.. hahaha.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, justwhoiam said: No, sorry. People don't get tested or autopsies to see if they died from the flu. They cross data, and come up with that... One of my friend's mother had breast cancer, but she died at 91 and not from breast cancer. Cause of death and comorbidities are two different things. But enough. I give up as I've been reported twice already, so I'm going to keep out of sterile polemic. hm, that's taken out of context. I never said people get autopsied or diagnosed from the flu to come up with those numbers. it's a estimation.
Azincourt Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: i think he blew half a billion on his lost presidential campaign. man... that's a lot of whoppers.. hahaha. That's small change for one of the richest human beings to ever exist. 1
justwhoiam Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Gaeta said: All we need to do is a full isolation of 3 weeks and it's gone. Full isolation is impossible in a democratic country and if you want to keep having food on the shelves and drugs at the pharmacy. Police, hospital staff, orphanage staff/staff working in old people's homes, food (and beverage) industry, and anyone manufacturing drugs/life saving devices/protections, disinfectants and hygiene products need to work. On a side note, many companies converted their production like during war, so Dior/L'Oreal will make disinfectacts and whatever, those in fashion or working in textiles are doing masks, others make respirators, etc. So they're doing something useful, and at the same time they keep getting a revenue.
Azincourt Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, justwhoiam said: Full isolation is impossible in a democratic country and if you want to keep having food on the shelves and drugs at the pharmacy. Police, hospital staff, orphanage staff/staff working in old people's homes, food (and beverage) industry, and anyone manufacturing drugs/life saving devices/protections, disinfectants and hygiene products need to work. On a side note, many companies converted their production like during war, so Dior/L'Oreal will make disinfectacts and whatever, those in fashion or working in textiles are doing masks, others make respirators, etc. So they're doing something useful, and at the same time they keep getting a revenue. When someone talks about full isolation, they're talking about private citizens, not the people who work at the pharmacy, at the supermarket etc. I've been fully isolated for the past few months and things are going fine. I get down a bit for not being able to go to the beach, I miss my family(sadly they live in the states, one of the worst places to deal with this virus) and I get bored from time to time despite all of the stuff I can do with all of this free time. 2
Happy Lemming Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: what happens when power goes out? or plumbing goes bad? or if there's a fire? I'm seriously asking.. If something breaks on my end, I have plenty of spare breakers and 12-2 wire, I'll repair it. If something goes wrong with my plumbing, I have plenty of copper pipe and fittings in stock, I'll sweat/solder in a repair sleeve utilizing my MAPP torch. If the grid goes down, I've got plenty of rice & noodles and butane for my camping cook stove. I can also make survival quick bread using flour, salt, baking powder and water. Just fry it up in my old cast iron skillet. I have stocked up on water, as well... Utilizing old Gallon Milk containers, didn't cost me a penny to save them, rinse them out and fill them when this thing hit. A little preparation goes a far way. Edited to add: I have a fire extinguisher if there is a small fire, here. Big Fire, load camping gear and supplies into truck and head out. Edited March 24, 2020 by Happy Lemming
littleblackheart Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: it's just not logistically possible. For now, we are asked to buy health services some time. In the US that because people can't afford to be treated so there needs to be plan in place for affordable treatment of c19, in other countries like the UK it's because the NHS is chnonically underfunded. There won't be a vaccine in 12 weeks, but there will be a protocol, more tests available, better trained staff, more PPE and less chaos. For now, that's what we're doing. So basically we're now paying the price for having health services that are not adequately adapted to deal with a pandemic. Edited March 24, 2020 by littleblackheart 1
carhill Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, justwhoiam said: On a side note, many companies converted their production like during war, so Dior/L'Oreal will make disinfectacts and whatever Distilleries are making hand sanitizer.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Azincourt said: I got supplies that will last me for 5 years even if I splurge them. I know many people who got supplies for 6 months or more. These folks have fathers and grandparents who went through world war I and world war II. They don't forget, and they learned how to survive. Young millennials on the other hand are probably in a bad spot right now, but it's fine, they give Nintendo, starbucks and Nike so much money, I'm sure those companies will have their back. What happens if we're invaded by an outer space alien race? Who cares, just be mindful of what the European govts are saying, as they actually care about their citizens, stay away from people, and stock up on all essentials when you're going out, before things get worse. ah, if only aliens could invade us.. i'd want a hot one...
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Azincourt said: When someone talks about full isolation, they're talking about private citizens, not the people who work at the pharmacy, at the supermarket etc. I've been fully isolated for the past few months and things are going fine. I get down a bit for not being able to go to the beach, I miss my family(sadly they live in the states, one of the worst places to deal with this virus) and I get bored from time to time despite all of the stuff I can do with all of this free time. free time.. you crave it when you work... but when you finally have it.. i dunno... it isn't quite what it's cracked up to be.
tojaz Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, justwhoiam said: Full isolation is impossible in a democratic country and if you want to keep having food on the shelves and drugs at the pharmacy. Police, hospital staff, orphanage staff/staff working in old people's homes, food (and beverage) industry, and anyone manufacturing drugs/life saving devices/protections, disinfectants and hygiene products need to work. Sad part is that the shut downs are being largely ignored, at least in my area. Our shutdown starts tomorrow and it has just become a race for businesses to deem themselves "essential" to keep the doors open. I paint cars for a living and received a letter stating "it was my civic duty" to keep production moving.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: For now, we are asked to buy health services some time. In the US that because people can't afford to be treated so there needs to be plan in place for affordable treatment of c19, in other countries like the UK it's because the NHS is chnonically underfunded. There won't be a vaccine in 12 weeks, but there will be a protocol, more tests available, better trained staff, more PPE and less chaos. For now, that's what we're doing. So basically we're now paying the price for not having health services that not adequately adapted to deal with a pandemic. canada had slow/underfunded services before virus broke out.... demand will always be higher than supply, b/c the amount of people using the services will always be higher than given supply.
Azincourt Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: free time.. you crave it when you work... but when you finally have it.. i dunno... it isn't quite what it's cracked up to be. Yeah, especially when you have soccer season tickets and the league gets cancelled and you lose your money Quote Sad part is that the shut downs are being largely ignored, at least in my area. Our shutdown starts tomorrow and it has just become a race for businesses to deem themselves "essential" to keep the doors open. Fortunately over here people are respecting the lockdown. I spend a lot of time on my window staring at the world outside, and I see maybe one person walking the streets per hour. Usually people walking their dog or heading out to the grocers.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Happy Lemming said: If something breaks on my end, I have plenty of spare breakers and 12-2 wire, I'll repair it. If something goes wrong with my plumbing, I have plenty of copper pipe and fittings in stock, I'll sweat/solder in a repair sleeve utilizing my MAPP torch. If the grid goes down, I've got plenty of rice & noodles and butane for my camping cook stove. I can also make survival quick bread using flour, salt, baking powder and water. Just fry it up in my old cast iron skillet. I have stocked up on water, as well... Utilizing old Gallon Milk containers, didn't cost me a penny to save them, rinse them out and fill them when this thing hit. A little preparation goes a far way. somehow, i think you're the outliner. kudos to you, btw... i'm moving in with you.. don't shoot me!!! lol. But unfortunately, MOST people aren't that prepared. What i'm trying to get at... is that, you can't have a total shut down in a modern society... we're all very specialized, where we call for a plumber when the plumbing goes bad, or omg..what do we do when our internet goes down??? that's a REAL problem. kekekeke.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Azincourt said: That's small change for one of the richest human beings to ever exist. for someone so rich, not the smartest idea....
littleblackheart Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, 2BGoodAgain said: canada had slow/underfunded services before virus broke out.... demand will always be higher than supply, b/c the amount of people using the services will always be higher than given supply. I disagree. Health services are underfunded because they have stopped being a priority. In any event, there quite glaringly was no contingency plan. We were caught off-guard. 1
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Azincourt said: Yeah, especially when you have soccer season tickets and the league gets cancelled and you lose your money Fortunately over here people are respecting the lockdown. I spend a lot of time on my window staring at the world outside, and I see maybe one person walking the streets per hour. Usually people walking their dog or heading out to the grocers. cabin fever is about to set in... i drove by a TOPs store... and they're not exactly crowded... supplies have all been sold out for weeks now... people are BORED out of their minds... watched all the porn(done)... surfed the internet(done)....had sex with all the neighbors(done)... now they just want to get out and say "hi". lol. the parking lot was FULL..... this store is NEVER busy... and they're out on almost everything... of course, it's possible a platen of toilet paper might have been brought in...shoot...hold on.. must go to TOPs....
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: I disagree. Health services are underfunded because they have stopped being a priority. In any event, there quite glaringly was no contingency plan. We were caught off-guard. hm.. a health official(aka as uncle bob)... once told me Canada's health system has a 5-7yr window... high funding, low funding... not b/c they don't prioritize it, but b/c they run out of money... can't disagree with being unprepared...
justwhoiam Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Azincourt said: When someone talks about full isolation, they're talking about private citizens, not the people who work at the pharmacy, at the supermarket etc. I've been fully isolated for the past few months and things are going fine. I get down a bit for not being able to go to the beach, I miss my family(sadly they live in the states, one of the worst places to deal with this virus) and I get bored from time to time despite all of the stuff I can do with all of this free time. Where are you? Ideas on how to spend time: take a course online, read a book, watch movies/videos/tv, draw, paint, write a diary, surf online (which I know you are), exercise at home, make a poster/banner to place outside your window/balcony (if you feel like), talk to friends on the phone, message people, play games, do crossword puzzles, make a puzzle, clean your house, get rid of anything you don't use/need anymore, start cooking from scratch (you can make bread, pizza, pies, etc), learn new skills, if you have chaos time to tidy up (old tapes, CDs, DVDs, etc), think/meditate, pray, etc. How do people find time to get bored?
Beendaredonedat Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: canada had slow/underfunded services before virus broke out.... demand will always be higher than supply, b/c the amount of people using the services will always be higher than given supply. Canada has not got "slow/underfunded" services for those in actual dire need. It was slow and inadequate for all the yahoos that think they need to go to the emergency department for a sore throat. From the date I was diagnosed with breast cancer, I was staged, had all my tests done, was operated on (lumpectomy) within two weeks of being diagnosed. I paid nothing for any of that. Then one month later when I was healed enough to radiation, I had one month of daily M-F radiation.. again nothing came out of my savings for it nor did we have to remortgage the home to get it done. In some areas we could always use another hospital (like where I live) but what we have, beats what is happening to millions of people in the US regarding their personal lack of/slow/underfunded health care. Underfunded because they can't afford the premiums, deductibles or to fight the insurance companies that deny them coverage. 1
Happy Lemming Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: somehow, i think you're the outliner. Yes... I agree with being an outlier. If the internet does go down, we'll be forced to watch antenna TV. There will only be PBS, FOX and NBC, I don't think we would survive (LOL)!!
justwhoiam Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, tojaz said: Sad part is that the shut downs are being largely ignored, at least in my area. Our shutdown starts tomorrow and it has just become a race for businesses to deem themselves "essential" to keep the doors open. Well, here they are considering newsstands as essentials, some people still want to buy newspapers to get their info, etc. I'm more bothered by tobacconists being open, but I guess that's to keep people "sane". Smokers can't handle being without smoke, they're already locked down at home, so I guess that was allowed to contain people acting up.
elaine567 Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: Health services are underfunded because they have stopped being a priority. Exactly, we lost the fear of death that previous generations had. We (gen) just needed to show up and some clever doctor wielding some fantastic treatment would save us. We took it for granted. We lost the respect for doctors and nurses, we became entitled. We decided our priorities were no longer about merely surviving. Survival was a given for most We became more about saving money and became more concerned with materialistic stuff. We lost touch with death and disease. We stripped the health service down to to its bare bones and now that we are again facing death and destruction, we are now reaping what we sowed... 1
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