sothereiwas Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gaeta said: up to a couple of days ago the beaches were full and Miami was a free for all. That wasn't a lack of media freaking out, it was kids being dumb. 1
Marc878 Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Gaeta said: It may depends on the state? Snobirds go down to Florida and up to a couple of days ago the beaches were full and Miami was a free for all. And you guys come up here in buses to buy our medicines. We're not gonna start throwing rocks at each other. The national news media of which everyone has access to has been covering this for weeks. There is zero excuse for not being aware at all. 1
Marc878 Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: That wasn't a lack of media freaking out, it was kids being dumb. Greedy wanna be socialists trying to milk the best out of both worlds.
littleblackheart Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 Having just experienced 11 days of quarantine, after the initial, very (very) badly handled shock of son being sick + working from home with 2 kids needing homeschooling + other huge external stressors + how my brain is frustratingly wired, I can say for those who've not done it yet that it is totally, totally fine. It was a little chaotic for a bit (for me at least, because I'm not great at multitasking), but you form new habits and you learn new adaptative skills. It's no fun all the time but the point is, it's not that bad. My son only had mild symptoms and still I freaked out. It wouldn't make sense to risk imposing even that (or worse, of course) onto someone else. What matters most, your most precious commodity is not your job or your bank balance or 'the economy'; it's your health. If you're not worried about your own, worry about your loved ones'. Things will settle, we'll hopefully learn lessons from this but for now, health comes first, imo. 3
Marc878 Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 On a lighter note. Strip clubs are closed in Oregon so strippers are doing topless food deliveries. How sweet is that. Topless Tacos anyone? 1
sothereiwas Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, Marc878 said: On a lighter note. Strip clubs are closed in Oregon so strippers are doing topless food deliveries. Sign me up It's still pretty brisk in Oregon, might get a bit nipply out 1
Beendaredonedat Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 38 minutes ago, pepperbird said: I don't understand why the people returning aren't being put up somewhere for the 14 days recommended quarantine and being asked to foot the bill. I have little sympathy for them, especially the ones who left for their March break vacation knowing what was going on. "Snowbirds" I can understand a bit or people who had to work, but vacationers? No. I don't understand it either, Pepper. We all know that most of them will not go right home and isolate for 14 solid days without getting in shopping etc. I call those on spring break "covidiots" They are self important, twits. If I was their mother, why I'd ... 1
Marc878 Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: Sign me up It's still pretty brisk in Oregon, might get a bit nipply out Nippy is good.
Gaeta Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, littleblackheart said: working from home with 2 kids needing homeschooling + other huge external stressors + how my brain is frustratingly wired, I can say for those who've not done it yet that it is totally, totally fine. Do you have a life partner littleblackheart? It's my 4th day working from home. I wonder if it's a reflection of the weeks to come. I keep my routine of showering, dressing up, coffee, work. My boyfriend and kiddo spend their days in their pj's watching netflix, videogames, videocalls, and doing as little as possible After lunch I said: Tomorrow I am not the one making lunch. Let's see....
Mrin Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 Lol. Honestly, I'm going with the recommendations from epidemiologists who have spent collective millennia thinking about and preparing for this very event. Call me crazy. 4
littleblackheart Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Gaeta said: Do you have a life partner littleblackheart? Not for years No excuse for flipping out as much as I did, though! I have a really sound support system and no financial worries so things could be a lot worse. I'm more annoyed that I had to forgo all my commitments to my local community group, tbh. 5 minutes ago, Gaeta said: After lunch I said: Tomorrow I am not the one making lunch. Let's see.... :). Let them do their bit! Strange times for sure. Now that my son is better, we have a 'reasonable' routine - not fussed about dress code but I give them a list of homework or chores to do while I telework (mostly video calls with students so they know to be quite). They keep the stuff they need help with for when I'm free, and we try to have meals at set times. But really, I've been more concerned about them feeling secure in this 'new normal'. Quarantine ends in 4 days, so we have a walk planned every morning before work. I can't wait!
justwhoiam Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 4 hours ago, sothereiwas said: The level of hysteria that's starting to display in this thread is troubling. I didn't see any hysteria in Italy, despite almost 7,000 deaths. Despite knowing healthy people died. In their 30s, 40s and 50s. 3 doctors. etc etc Some people let that sink in and are taking precautions and being wise, others are in denial and don't want their life disrupted. But if it hits you, you won't be left to decide anything, except for dying, you can decide that. Ha. If you understood what I said, you now must know that we don't know data about SARS-COV-2 (the virus), but we do know data about Covid 19. Because Covid 19 is the diseases you can develop from getting the virus. And that's very lethal. 10.5% of deaths is calculated considering those positive to the virus, not those who got Covid 19. If you consider those who have pneumonia, the rate is much higher, probably 25%. 1
sothereiwas Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, justwhoiam said: 10.5% of deaths is calculated considering those positive to the virus How is the data that is used to produce that number collected, I wonder.
littleblackheart Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, sothereiwas said: How is the data that is used to produce that number collected, I wonder. Even if it's 0.1% of the overall population, 0.1% of 325M is still 3250000. Which is huge. If we can prevent some by staying home, it makes sense to do it - no? Not everything is a stats problem.
sothereiwas Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: Not everything is a stats problem. This actually is a stats problem, however. People seem to believe that "we" can stay at home and this will blow over. *I* can mostly stay at home, but I'm not typical. Most people have to go out and either earn money to get the things they need, or some people need to actually produce and make available those things. That means there is a level of ongoing interaction required for life to go on for most people, and THAT means this virus won't be stopped, it will just be slowed down. Most people will probably end up getting this sooner or later. Ideally therefore we want them to get it in a way that ensures as many as possible have the best odds of a good outcome both clinically and economically. We have to factor in a lot of things, including the probability of a vaccine later this year. But that's mostly going to be for next flu season, for now, as long as we don't kill the old people and we don't exceed medical capacity, we should do all we can to otherwise keep our economy healthy too. Because we all depend on it, not just the rich people. 1
Beendaredonedat Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 The level of the minimizing it is also troubling. 3
littleblackheart Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) @sothereiwas Well, short of mass testings, we are going blind as far as stats so we have to accept the modelling that experts are following are correct, as well as following events changing daily on the ground. If they say stay at home for a few weeks to buy time, we do that. Besides, self-employed or casual workers can't stay at home because the safety net for workers is not there, not because they 'need' to go to work (unless they are key workers, of course). Looking at the UK, now that the whole of the country is on lockdown (12 week strict quarantine for all over 75s and those with preconditions), it's getting clear that working from home is not that atypical. We just need to ensure everyone can afford to stay at home. There is, for now, no other way. Edited March 24, 2020 by littleblackheart
Gaeta Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: for now, as long as we don't kill the old people and we don't exceed medical capacity For the US unfortunately it's too late for that. The US is closely following France graphic curve. In 11 days you will have the exact same situation as they have.
Azincourt Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 Probably worse, considering Trump and his buddies are more interested in saving the stock market than they are in saving lives. What if the billionaires lose a few hundred million dollars?! How will they pay off their mortgages and feed their kids?
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 18 hours ago, Redhead14 said: For crying out loud!!!! How long would "those at risk" have to remain isolated!??? Jesus. As if older people and others don't have lives. If everyone else is just going about their lives and carrying this thing around with them ad infinitum, "those at risk" would never be able to interact with anyone ever or for at least a year or so until a vaccine is made. That's an incredibly selfish, heartless and greedy attitude. Like I said in an earlier post - I don't want to be around the people with this attitude anyway. I'll be OK locked up until they find a vaccine. Unbelievable. I don't understand... you prefer EVERYONE to be locked down, and watch our economy go into the dump? It makes more sense for those at risk to stay home for their own protection until a vaccine comes out. It makes NO SENSE to have EVERYONE locked down. 1
littleblackheart Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Azincourt said: Probably worse, considering Trump and his buddies are more interested in saving the stock market than they are in saving lives It's more the fact they don't want the federal state to pay for anyone to stay at home.
Gaeta Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: I don't understand... you prefer EVERYONE to be locked down, and watch our economy go into the dump? It makes more sense for those at risk to stay home for their own protection until a vaccine comes out. It makes NO SENSE to have EVERYONE locked down. Who you would be ready to sacrifice amoung your family and friends in the name of the economy? The economy will kick back in just fine! 1
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 17 hours ago, justwhoiam said: Not sure what you mean by your reference to 0.1%. Right now, mortality rate is 4% in China (if their data are true). More like 10.5% in Italy. Let's see what will happen in the other countries. UK trend is already going higher than Italy's. 25% or so seem to end up in intensive care. the 0.1% is the avg flu mortality rate. I was rather surprised by the number, tbh. I didn't think it was that high. the media never reports that tens of thousands of people die every year to the flu in the US alone. 1
Beendaredonedat Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: I don't understand... you prefer EVERYONE to be locked down, and watch our economy go into the dump? It makes more sense for those at risk to stay home for their own protection until a vaccine comes out. It makes NO SENSE to have EVERYONE locked down. Why does it make no sense? EVERYONE is at risk. Older people and those with pre existing conditions are just MORE at risk.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 17 hours ago, justwhoiam said: Well, what went on in China needs to be investigated... I'm still quite confused. We had Chinese people on cruises and downtown Rome infected. Probably in Lombardy too, just they didn't develop symptoms and that ruined us in the North. I think some people from Wuhan were around... China knew about this aggressive virus since last year, and started warning other countries on Jan 3rd. We'll have a timeline later on with who and what... hopefully. agreed. we don't know exactly what happened in Wuhan other than what has leaked out or the "official" story by the chinese gov't.
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