serial muse Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 Per Stat: https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/26/trump-mixed-messages-on-coronavirus/
Author gaius Posted February 27, 2020 Author Posted February 27, 2020 It's uncontainable in the sense that we can't do a, b, and c and then zero cases will occur. But there's quite a bit we can do to limit the spread. Mass infection of every corner of the US is not inevitable. The fact China is managing to get a grip on it is a testament to that fact. I don't know why the discussion is orbiting around the terminology Trump is using instead of details about what we should do. If tomorrow 2 people die in a town in say Ohio, and it turns out there's a stealth outbreak happening where 100 people or more are infected, as Americans how do we handle it? Do we activate the military? Do we have enough test kits and the infastructure to test thousands, if not tens of thousands of people rapidly? If it spreads further than that what kind of measures should we implement? Shutting down interstates and quarantining towns? All the important stuff nobody seems to be talking about. Only what Trump says or doesn't say.
Libby1 Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 A day after expressing solidarity with coronavirus sufferers, the Pope has apparently come down with a slight illness. He was seen sniffling and blowing his nose at yesterday's Ash Wednesday. The Pope's about as super-spready as a person could get. I bet if he came down with coronavirus, the Catholic church would find a way to keep it quiet.
CautiouslyOptimistic Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 I wonder what liberals are gonna do if Americans don't start dropping like flies and they won't be able to blame it on Trump. 2
SincereOnlineGuy Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 C'mon people... the Asian Flu killed nearly 70,000 people in America as recently as the late 1950's. We are up to... zero so far, with this thing in 2020. (and medical response is a zillion times better now than in the 1950's) 5
carhill Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) Yet this thread has over 200 posts and MSM seems preoccupied to distraction. Follow the money? Hmm, tying FISA renewal to Coronavirus 8BB spending bill? Sneaky. Edited February 27, 2020 by carhill 1
simpycurious Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 I am glad that I canceled my vacation to China this Spring. 1
Pleasant-Sage Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 Thought this was interesting. https://www.ign.com/articles/plague-inc-removed-from-sale-in-china
RecentChange Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 Yeah wouldn't be a good time to travel to China. My city San Jose hosts a large Facebook developers conference, this year it was scheduled for early May - but Facebook just cancelled the event due to coronavirus concerns. Going to be an economic hit for the city, but I can understand not hosting an international conference until this is under control. 2
simpycurious Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 The economic impact is going to be felt for a long time. I wonder when it starts to hurt domestic travel. 1
Libby1 Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, RecentChange said: Yeah wouldn't be a good time to travel to China. It's also not a good time to travel to Los Angeles. 7 hours ago, gaius said: I don't know why the discussion is orbiting around the terminology Trump is using instead of details about what we should do. If tomorrow 2 people die in a town in say Ohio, and it turns out there's a stealth outbreak happening where 100 people or more are infected, as Americans how do we handle it? Do we activate the military? Do we have enough test kits and the infastructure to test thousands, if not tens of thousands of people rapidly? If it spreads further than that what kind of measures should we implement? Shutting down interstates and quarantining towns? All the important stuff nobody seems to be talking about. Only what Trump says or doesn't say. I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about putting Los Angeles on lockdown. Not only is there the issue of the Korean flight attendant who was working the Seoul/LAX route having been confirmed as having the virus, but Skid Row is a very significant risk factor. 1
stillafool Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Libby1 said: Skid Row is a very significant risk factor. OMG!!!!! Can you imagine? Also what about mail from these affected countries? Is it contaminated. Edited February 28, 2020 by stillafool
RecentChange Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Libby1 said: It's also not a good time to travel to Los Angeles. I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about putting Los Angeles on lockdown. Not only is there the issue of the Korean flight attendant who was working the Seoul/LAX route having been confirmed as having the virus, but Skid Row is a very significant risk factor. Have there been cases in skid row? Not sure if you are familiar with California, but we are up to our damn eyeballs in lunatics and homeless right now. I am not sure why Los Angeles should be on "lockdown" because of one stewardess. We have had cases in my county (silicon valley) and we are far from "lockdown".
Pleasant-Sage Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, stillafool said: OMG!!!!! Can you imagine? Also what about mail from these affected countries? Is it contaminated. I heard "wish" orders were being delayed. 2
Libby1 Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 Just now, stillafool said: OMG!!!!! Can you imagine? I can, yes. Obviously most major cities have a homeless community, but there are thousands of people living on Skid Row - and I can't even begin to think what happens there, if the city did have to go into lockdown. Where would they go? 1
RecentChange Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, stillafool said: Also what about mail from these affected countries? Is it contaminated. The virus has "poor survivability" on surfaces, mail and packages are not a concern. So far all cases can be tracked as being spread from person to person in direct contact. Orders from Wish and other Chinese shipments are delayed because production centers in China have been on lockdown. The usual week long holiday for the Chinese New year were extended to keep people out of the work place to control the spread of disease. This means that there will be back logs on production due to lost time. 1
Libby1 Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, RecentChange said: Have there been cases in skid row? Not sure if you are familiar with California, but we are up to our damn eyeballs in lunatics and homeless right now. I am not sure why Los Angeles should be on "lockdown" because of one stewardess. We have had cases in my county (silicon valley) and we are far from "lockdown". It's more about what they'd do about the people living there if there's a major outbreak. A flight attendant has fairly close contact with a lot of people on a long haul flight....handing them coffee, food trays etc. Then she has her stayover in LA. The current situation in Lombardy, Italy is being traced to one particular guy who was out and about a lot while he was unwittingly infectious. They went from a couple of dozen cases to 650 in a few days, which seems to be rapidly spreading to surrounding countries (neighbouring France has had a recent leap, and no doubt we'll soon be seeing something similar in the UK). Most big cities have their homelessness problem, of course, but the homeless problem in LA seems to be on a different level. I don't know much about California, but I've heard that bureaucracy in LA can be a real block to providing housing solutions. They'll need to get over that bureaucracy quickly if there's an outbreak. Part of the reason China managed to build temporary facilities so quickly was because they didn't let themselves get held back by red tape. 2
RecentChange Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 San Francisco, San Jose, Los Angeles etc all have tons of homeless right now. It's less about bureaucracy and more about money. When our economy boomed so did cost of land, cost of labor, cost of materials. It's hard to buy a condo here for less than $600,000. Add tons of mentally ill (psych facilities were all closed in the 80's) good weather (makes living on the streets much easier) and lax drug laws (not getting locked away) the result is that we are over flowing with homeless. Half of the nation's homeless live in CA. Not all are original from here, but they are here now and it would cost billions to house then all.
major_merrick Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 I'm wondering how much this virus will affect our 2020 elections. Trump is dependent on the economy, and the economy is being affected by the virus. And in our local elections, it is definitely playing a role. Our sheriff is making his stances on the virus, federal lies, and civil defense a major part of his platform.
Author gaius Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Libby1 said: I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about putting Los Angeles on lockdown. Not only is there the issue of the Korean flight attendant who was working the Seoul/LAX route having been confirmed as having the virus, but Skid Row is a very significant risk factor. It would be helpful if we start to focus less on the politics and more on the reality of the situation. Because you're right, at this point we're one small step away from an outbreak in LA. Apparently Trump and the Democrats have dropped the bravado a bit and are close to hammering out a deal on new funding. Trump is also considering using an old war powers act from the Korean war to force companies to prioritize production of things like facemasks that we need but are in short supply. How effective that would be, considering we're so reliant on China for everything, is debatable. But at least it's actually an idea with potential. I haven't seen many of those up to this point from anyone. 2
Author gaius Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Pleasant-Sage said: Thought this was interesting. https://www.ign.com/articles/plague-inc-removed-from-sale-in-china I actually spent a dollar on that a few days ago. All these red maps I see in the news got me in the mood to play it again.
Author gaius Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Libby1 said: A day after expressing solidarity with coronavirus sufferers, the Pope has apparently come down with a slight illness. He was seen sniffling and blowing his nose at yesterday's Ash Wednesday. The Pope's about as super-spready as a person could get. I bet if he came down with coronavirus, the Catholic church would find a way to keep it quiet. He'd be at a pretty high risk for death if he got it considering his age. Maybe he should lay off the feet washing for a while. Apparently Iran's female vice president has just been diagnosed with the virus and she's been in cabinet meetings with the president while infected. Maybe the Pope and the Ayatollah will hit the hospital bed at the same time. I'm increasingly getting the feeling this is going to be one of those stories we tell the kids when we're old.
CautiouslyOptimistic Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Pleasant-Sage said: I heard "wish" orders were being delayed. I ordered glasses from Zenni and they took forever (I got multiple email updates about the virus). My daughter ordered a birthday gift for her boyfriend on Jan. 30 and it is finally being shipped tomorrow....ON his birthday.... 1
Pleasant-Sage Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 Just now, CautiouslyOptimistic said: I ordered glasses from Zenni and they took forever (I got multiple email updates about the virus). My daughter ordered a birthday gift for her boyfriend on Jan. 30 and it is finally being shipped tomorrow....ON his birthday.... I was wondering how it effected Wal Mart products. Marketing is usually on a pretty tight seasonal schedule. I know not all of their products come from China. Like some are from Taiwan and elsewhere but you would think all those companies would be using the Chinese port. I bet you Wal Mart loses very little (if any at all) and those companies lose a whole lot of revenue. 1
CautiouslyOptimistic Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Pleasant-Sage said: I was wondering how it effected Wal Mart products. Marketing is usually on a pretty tight seasonal schedule. I know not all of their products come from China. Like some are from Taiwan and elsewhere but you would think all those companies would be using the Chinese port. I bet you Wal Mart loses very little (if any at all) and those companies lose a whole lot of revenue. I was at a ladies gathering tonight at a neighbors house and one of the women was talking about prom dresses and the "shortage" because of the virus. I forget how she said she found this out, but she was saying, "Now is the time to shop if you need a prom dress that will need to be ordered...." (Or probably any kind of formal gown for this spring/summer). Edited February 28, 2020 by CautiouslyOptimistic 1 1
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