suladas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: Actually in my locale getting it early, before any significant resources are consumed by what will probably be a rush later, might be a really good strategy. The other benefit is you could just get it over with and no longer worry about it. I have zero concerns about my personal health with this thing. My only concern is about not wanting to get it and pass it around to others who wouldn't fare as well. Yea some young people have died from it. If you live in fear of dying all the time sounds like an awful way to live. If it's my time it is what it is, i'm not going to stress about it.
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, suladas said: The other benefit is you could just get it over with and no longer worry about it. As a WFH person, I've never been "worried" about it too much, and it's not changed my life much. Cratering the economy for years in the future, that's going to really hurt a lot of people if we let it happen. My current gig would likely be fine but a lot of people would get stung. In a pinch I could just retire early I guess.
elaine567 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, suladas said: What happens if 3-4 weeks hasn't contained it enough? You've absolutely destroyed the economy and haven't contained the virus, and now people will demand it stop, or simply will refuse to stay at home No, Fear takes over and keeps people indoors. Once the bodies start piling up... People start fearing for their own lives and that of their friends and family. It is no longer "fantasy" or "the media" or "the Govt." it is then reality.
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Hopefully we'll see some good from this in terms of more people getting vaccinated and more attention to hygiene in the future.
suladas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: As a WFH person, I've never been "worried" about it too much, and it's not changed my life much. Cratering the economy for years in the future, that's going to really hurt a lot of people if we let it happen. My current gig would likely be fine but a lot of people would get stung. In a pinch I could just retire early I guess. Yea seeing how many live paycheck to paycheck even if they get like 55% with EI, they are screwed, it will take years to have any hope to recover. I'll be ok, I can get by even if I have to shut down my business for 3 months but it'll hurt and cost a fortune.
suladas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, elaine567 said: No, Fear takes over and keeps people indoors. Once the bodies start piling up... People start fearing for their own lives and that of their friends and family. It is no longer "fantasy" or "the media" or "the Govt." it is then reality. Yea fear of loosing everything? Tell me this, is 1000 people dead from the virus different from 1000 by suicide from financial ruin? If you shut down the economy for even 3 months the suicides are a guarantee, while the deaths from the virus are just likely if you don't. The bodies from the shutdown will be piling up for a long time after. Look up yearly death rates of what people die from, and put it into perspective how worried someone informed should ACTUALLY be, not what the media tells them.
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, suladas said: Where is anyone saying that? It's such a dramatic and illogical response. What should have happened is anyone at risk from age or diseases should be at home, anyone who can reasonably work from home and anyone who is super worried about it. The rest just be careful and ride this thing out without destroying the economy. It is the response I give to people who think this is all so simple and they know the answer and more or less don't give a crap about the elderly or anyone else. Like I said earlier, do you think if it were that simple to manage all this, that every country in the world (for the most part) would be going to these extremes????? Edited March 23, 2020 by Redhead14 1
suladas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Redhead14 said: It is the response I give to people who think this is all so simple and they know the answer and more or less don't give a crap about the elderly or anyone else. Like I said earlier, do you think if it were that simple to manage all this, that every country in the world (for the most part) would be going to these extremes????? There was a simple solution for a lot of places like Canada, USA, Australia for example that are not accessible to China by land. Way back when China first had this, close their borders and never let this thing in. It would have been stupidly simple. But common sense was not put in place. The ONLY countries who can say they couldn't do that are ones that border China as they wouldn't have had enough notice to keep it out, any others should have closed their borders and forced anyone wanting in to quarantine to be 100% sure they wouldn't bring it into their country. Now it's harder, but just because countries aren't doing it doesn't mean it's not a good solution. Like I said before, look at Taiwan. Some countries are handling this well, others absolutely terrible. The difference between it going good and bad isn't whether or not they locked down the country. 1
mark clemson Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, elaine567 said: Car accidents are not contagious, they don't have the ability to overwhelm the entire health service... YET, but just wait until we have networked, auto-driving cars and they get hacked... Sorry, couldn't resist. Not an issue for this thread or this year. Just a preview of tomorrow's problems today (I know, it's all we need right now )!
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: Hopefully we'll see some good from this in terms of more people getting vaccinated and more attention to hygiene in the future. This is not the result of our not being vaccinated or poor hygiene on our parts. The Chinese ate/are eating infected bats and not observing acceptable food distrbution/consumption guidelines and best practices/oversight. Edited March 23, 2020 by Redhead14 1
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: This is not the result of our not being vaccinated or poor hygiene on our parts. The Chinese ate/are eating infected bats and not observing acceptable food distrbution/consumption guidelines and best practices/oversight. That's true, what I'm saying is this crisis has highlighted the importance of handwashing and other mitigation measures to at least more of the population than might have previously been aware of it. I'm hoping for a few years of reduced flu seasons at least. 1
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Here we go. Geez. Trump opening the country for business soon . . . msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-signals-openings-us-not-built-to-be-shut-down/ar-BB11B4HY?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=hplocalnews
Author gaius Posted March 23, 2020 Author Posted March 23, 2020 Russia shares an immense border with China and they're one of the least affected countries in the world. Because they closed the border early and stuffed foreigners coming into the country into a mandatory 2 week quarantine. And wouldn't let them out until they tested negative. They didn't just base it on showing symptoms or not. It really was that simple. Unfortunately the idea of restricting travel is sacrilegious to the liberal community in this country, and in Europe. Which a lot of our medical professionals belong to. So they formed an unholy alliance with Trump to ensure this disaster would happen. 1
nospam99 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Take this with a grain of salt, if for no other reason than I wasn't carefully paying attention .... I just saw an alleged physician on PBS tv news. He asserted that he had reviewed hospital reports from 'somewhere'. I think he mentioned Singapore. He concluded that there was at least a significantly lower chance of transmission from an infected patient to hospital staff if - the staffer spent less than 30 minutes in the presence of the patient OR - the staffer stayed six feet away from the patient The staffer did not have to be wearing a surgical mask to benefit from these time and distance parameters. 1
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, nospam99 said: Take this with a grain of salt, if for no other reason than I wasn't carefully paying attention .... I just saw an alleged physician on PBS tv news Neither is the physician apparently . . . 1
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, 2BGoodAgain said: as i've said before... you need to clean your extremities before letting it touch any of your orifices. i'm pretty sure i've said this many times. i would take my wallet and empty it's contents into a shower... soap it... and i'll shower in it... soap myself.. mebbe have some happy fun time..hopefully not over my wallet and its contents, then it'll be ok. though, i might throw out the wallet b/c i don't know what crevices the virus might be still functioning in. You missed the point . . .
justwhoiam Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Link I posted 7 hours ago has been approved now........................................... it's on page 85, it's a video.
Woggle Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 I keep thinking about how people during WWII were willing to sacrifice for war and which included sacrificing their lives for many of them but ask people to sit on the couch for a few weeks and they just can't take it. There will be pain but there is a choice between short term and temporary pain or long term and permanent pain. People these days really can't tolerate any kind of real discomfort. How good is the economy going to be when we start seeing massive death tolls and the people who run the grid start getting sick and dying? The same country that throws a fit over a clump of cells in a woman's womb is willing to sacrifice lives for money. More and more people make me sick. 5
Foxhall Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 the South Korean containment model which appears to be working, interestingly does not recommend lockdown- as the virus will come back worse once the lockdowns are lifted, Asians I imagine are a more "obedient" folk which has probably helped implement staged measures rather than going to an extreme, On another point- I did not like those images from a Madrid hospital this evening- scary stuff. 1
justwhoiam Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 3 hours ago, 2BGoodAgain said: Look, most people will be fine. Just hope you are in the most category. But maybe not. Healthy people end up in intensive care. No intensive care available? You die. That's what it is. I have posted a video (page 85), it's a basketball player that couldn't breathe by himself anymore and needed a respirator. If where you're at all respirators are being used and none left for you, and you happen to need one to survive, bye bye. 1
Author gaius Posted March 24, 2020 Author Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Foxhall said: the South Korean containment model which appears to be working, interestingly does not recommend lockdown- as the virus will come back worse once the lockdowns are lifted, Asians I imagine are a more "obedient" folk which has probably helped implement staged measures rather than going to an extreme, On another point- I did not like those images from a Madrid hospital this evening- scary stuff. As un-PC as it sounds you're right. It's likely South Korea is getting away with not forcibly locking people down because overall the citizens there are behaving in a much more responsible manner. I'm working, had to stop for gas and the guy behind the Subway counter just gave me probably the most informed, intelligent and eloquent opinion on what's going on that I've heard since this whole thing started. Perhaps we should replace Dr. Nancy Messonnier (High ranking CDC official) with this guy and get her to make me a Chicken Bacon Ranch on Italian herb and cheese instead. 1
Redhead14 Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, Woggle said: I keep thinking about how people during WWII were willing to sacrifice for war and which included sacrificing their lives for many of them but ask people to sit on the couch for a few weeks and they just can't take it. There will be pain but there is a choice between short term and temporary pain or long term and permanent pain. People these days really can't tolerate any kind of real discomfort. How good is the economy going to be when we start seeing massive death tolls and the people who run the grid start getting sick and dying? The same country that throws a fit over a clump of cells in a woman's womb is willing to sacrifice lives for money. More and more people make me sick. The solution model that some proposed here, is to confine the older folks and people with underlying conditions, etc. and allow everyone else to roam freely. So that means that the older folks and other people who need to be concerned will be isolating forever??? If everyone else continues to be exposed and carry it around amongst themselves, regardless of whether it makes them sick or not, means the older people will never be able to live their lives the way they want to or be out and about. Lots of older folks are active and even still contributing to the community and/or working, etc. 1
BC1980 Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 There is some sad stuff coming out of this. I have a family member that works in palliative care who is having to call family members of people who are dying of COVID-19 because they are not allowed to be in the hospital right now. People are dying alone, and family members can't be there. They are waiting on a phone call. It has torn me up hearing her recount these stories. Another friend has a dad dying of cancer in the hospital, and only 1 visitor is allowed. So her mom is there, and she is not able to see her dad in the days before he dies. If anyone is the praying type, these people need our prayers. 1
K.K. Posted March 24, 2020 Posted March 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Woggle said: I keep thinking about how people during WWII were willing to sacrifice for war and which included sacrificing their lives for many of them but ask people to sit on the couch for a few weeks and they just can't take it. There will be pain but there is a choice between short term and temporary pain or long term and permanent pain. People these days really can't tolerate any kind of real discomfort. This part. I keep thinking the same thing. How back in war time people were just trying to survive that sh’t with all of their limbs and life intact. No toilet paper? I’m sure they would’ve loved that to be their only concern. They probably wiped their asses on clumps of leaves or a fkn branch. All of us think that we are so above this and sit back and point our fingers at people that are only human such as ourselves, instead of trying to just fix the problem by staying inside and trying to avoid spreading it. And by following whatever orders we’re given instead of whining like spoiled children and blaming mommy or ‘daddy’. We think that we’re too technologically advanced and so far above it, to have to deal with such unpleasantries. Our thoughts are of boredom or inconvenience. Instead of remembering that it has been a whole lot worse for a whole lot of others. If you try to keep that in mind, this is nothing. Just do your part and pull together and we’ll all get through this. 4
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