Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: keep them at home, compensate them for it, so they don't get evicted or starve to death... create hours where they alone can shop, without possible contamination... The solution to the situation is as simple as this? Pretty much every country in the world is taking extreme measures but this is the answer and no one in power has has thought of it or if they did, decided to go to the extreme anyway? Edited March 23, 2020 by Redhead14
BC1980 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Everyone in my dad's company (around 800 people) had their salaries reduced by 45% today. The good news is that they can keep their health insurance and their jobs for now. My dad was trying to make it to September to retire, so he could get more social security. If they lay him off, he'll just go ahead and retire. He's mostly okay with it because he was on the track to retire anyway, but a lot of the younger people are really worried. These are bad times for a lot of people. We can't sustain like this for too much longer. 1
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: About 100 people die in traffic every day, all year long. We still drive to work. Now I'm a fan of stricter licensing and encouraging telecommuting and discouraging extraneous travel, but the fact is this happens and no one really freaks out about it. So far SARS-COV-2 has killed fewer than 600 Americans. It's certainly going to get worse but a little perspective wouldn't hurt. agreed. thank you. I'm not trying to be callous here... elderly, and people with pre-existing conditions are scared. and many more people are scared, b/c honestly, the Chinese gov't has lied thru their teeth about this virus from day 1. But we can't overreact with gut reactions... b/c that's just the fear talking.. we need to think this out, adjust our strategy as we go along, and think this thru... with our heads.. below is a timeline link of how the chinese gov't tried to cover up and i suspect all the stats we know about this virus n its effect on people... from the chinese gov't are a bunch of lies, at best... https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Beendaredonedat said: People all over the world don't catch a car accident. Show me where people drive and don't die of traffic accidents. I'll wait, but not hold my breath.
Beendaredonedat Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: The solution to the situation is as simple as this? Pretty much every country in the world is taking extreme measures but this is the answer and no one in power has has thought of it or if they did, decided to go to the extreme? Last time I checked you couldn't catch a car accident or transmit it through the air. 1
elaine567 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Car accidents are not contagious, they don't have the ability to overwhelm the entire health service... 1
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Beendaredonedat said: People all over the world don't catch a car accident. you're being literal, even you get the idea of what reasoning is being communicated here. people die all the time from one event or another, but we don't freak out. gov't of all institutions can't freak out and overreact. people freak out, mobs freak out, but when the gov't freaks out... this is the result. i hate that i'm quoting Trump... he's an idiot, but even an idiot sees that you can't create a bigger problem(economic shutdown) trying to solve the current problem(a dangerous virus). Edited March 23, 2020 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Removed inappropriate comment.
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, elaine567 said: Car accidents are not contagious, they don't have the ability to overwhelm the entire health service... Dead is dead, however. I never argued they are identical, I'm just saying that actual (as opposed to the current imaginary) interruption of supply chains has the potential to make this virus look like a weekend at the lake. We need to understand and take this into account.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, elaine567 said: Car accidents are not contagious, they don't have the ability to overwhelm the entire health service... you haven't seen a 100 car pile up, and what it does to the hospital system.. have you? yes, a virus is contagious... but we don't really know the stats, b/c we're trusting the stats of a gov't that's so used to lying, it thinks it's honest. And so far, how many have died, even with all 50 states in the US with infections? wash your extremities before touching any orifices. That alone would reduce infections, other than sneezing on someone.. quarantine those folk. Keep the vulnerable populations out of harm's way. telling everyone to stay home.. don't worry we'll send you 1000$ isn't a solution. it's a solution for a week or two.. then what? 1
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) Let's just let the virus overrun all the elderly and people who have underlying conditions (and possibly don't know it yet) of which there are millions, or better yet, let's lock them up in internment camps and relieve the countries of that burden . . . Edited March 23, 2020 by Redhead14
justwhoiam Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 2 hours ago, BC1980 said: I have enough vacation time for 4 weeks if it comes to that. In Italy, vacation time for doctors and nurses has been temporarily suspended. People are not fully realizing we're in a world emergency, a pandemic with a lethal virus. 1
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 This is clearly a big deal. We need to make sure we don't make it worse than it has to be. China, with over a billion people, has had around 80,000 cases and over 3000 dead. They claim the worst is over for them. Perspective. 1
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, justwhoiam said: In Italy, vacation time for doctors and nurses has been temporarily suspended. People are not fully realizing we're in a world emergency, a pandemic with a lethal virus. part of the profession... As for world emergency... there are def potential dangers, but b/c info from china about this virus is so off, we don't know what to trust anymore... south korea is recovering well.. only a few hundred deaths to millions who live there. Italy, not so well... with thousands of deaths, of millions who live there... but if you think about it, either one... sad for those affected, and scary for those who aren't, but overall, not as bad as I thought it'd turn out. We're not used to a flu-like virus that hits higher than 0.1% mortality rate... scary really, but that's what it is... scary. We're all kinda reacting in fear, than with our heads.
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, justwhoiam said: In Italy, vacation time for doctors and nurses has been temporarily suspended. People are not fully realizing we're in a world emergency, a pandemic with a lethal virus. I have a little test: I'll dip your wallet in a vat of the virus. I want you to take the wallet and lick it. Are you sure absolutely sure you don't have some kind of underlying condition that would make contracting the virus lethal for you?
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, sothereiwas said: This is clearly a big deal. We need to make sure we don't make it worse than it has to be. China, with over a billion people, has had around 80,000 cases and over 3000 dead. They claim the worst is over for them. Perspective. yeah, but they shut down a whole city. i think basically the whole city got infected, b/c they wouldn't let anyone out. the virus basically had no one left to infect....we need journalist to go in there and see if anyone is allowed out of the city, find out the real rates of infection/deaths/age/gender/underlining conditions... etc. the whole of china suffered, but they got out of it, b/c it didn't infect the whole country. the US... all 50 states are infected. You can't shut down the country and wait it out... China had the whole country economy to sustain it while they shut down Wuhan... we can't shut down the USA and wait it out.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: I have a little test: I'll dip your wallet in a vat of the virus. I want you to take the wallet and lick it. Are you sure absolutely sure you don't have some kind of underlying condition that would make contracting the virus lethal for you? as i've said before... you need to clean your extremities before letting it touch any of your orifices. i'm pretty sure i've said this many times. i would take my wallet and empty it's contents into a shower... soap it... and i'll shower in it... soap myself.. mebbe have some happy fun time..hopefully not over my wallet and its contents, then it'll be ok. though, i might throw out the wallet b/c i don't know what crevices the virus might be still functioning in. Edited March 23, 2020 by 2BGoodAgain 1
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, 2BGoodAgain said: we can't shut down the USA and wait it out. That's what I just said, I think.
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: I have a little test: I'll dip your wallet in a vat of the virus. I want you to take the wallet and lick it. Are you sure absolutely sure you don't have some kind of underlying condition that would make contracting the virus lethal for you? Actually in my locale getting it early, before any significant resources are consumed by what will probably be a rush later, might be a really good strategy.
elaine567 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: we can't shut down the USA and wait it out. Do you really think they would be doing that if there were any better ideas? 1
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: That's what I just said, I think. damn it, stop making me plaugerize your work. crap, i misspelled that. plagerize? plaguerize? where's google when i need them.????
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 54 minutes ago, Foxhall said: Lockdown in the UK, hopefully does not go that far here, need to get out for walks and runs, there will be huge mental health side effects arising from these lockdowns they shut down the gyms in my area... i'm dying.... b/c mostly b/c that gym had more hand sanitizers and hand wipes than any building in my county.. they literally shut down the only place i can get hand sanitizers, b/c the freaking scared morons bought all of it from the stores!!! lol.
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, elaine567 said: Do you really think they would be doing that if there were any better ideas? Yes, because "they" will do what's best for "them" politically, not what's optimal.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, elaine567 said: Do you really think they would be doing that if there were any better ideas? did you know semi-conductor facilities were considered "essential" services? yeah, me too. Wah??? they don't make food, they don't make medicine.. yet they can keep doing business... why? b/c governor cuomo said they could. they're exempt. Why? doesn't make much sense to me, either. anyway, you're going on the presumption that gov't has the best ideas... and let's face it, looking back on history.. gov't is rarely the entity with the best ideas... 1
suladas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: Let's just let the virus overrun all the elderly and people who have underlying conditions (and possibly don't know it yet) of which there are millions, or better yet, let's lock them up in internment camps and relieve the countries of that burden . . . Where is anyone saying that? It's such a dramatic and illogical response. What should have happened is anyone at risk from age or diseases should be at home, anyone who can reasonably work from home and anyone who is super worried about it. The rest just be careful and ride this thing out without destroying the economy. Here's the problem right now. The total lockdown can last what 3-4 weeks? Most economies cannot sustain anything more, and people won't put up with it. What happens if 3-4 weeks hasn't contained it enough? You've absolutely destroyed the economy and haven't contained the virus, and now people will demand it stop, or simply will refuse to stay at home. The amount of bankruptcies coming from this already is astronomical. 2
elaine567 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Noone said Govt, have the best ideas but anyone with an inking of what a pandemic actually means would not be arguing against shutting down to limit spread. Had it been up to me I would have shut everything down hard weeks ago like the South Koreans did and tested every man and his dog so I knew exactly where the virus was and where it wasn't. Now it is essentially too late and we are playing catch up. Oh dear, they shut down your gym... SMH 1
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