Tamfana Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, justwhoiam said: She got tested? Or you're assuming that she got the coronavirus because she had some flu-like symptoms? Anyway, I guess if she had ended up in an ICU, you wouldn't be talking like this now. tested.
Tamfana Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 44 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: By the way, Tamfana. I understand and agree that we should keep a vigilant and watchful eye over what could affect our rights. It's a good thing to do. I try to keep some faith that the basis for our system of government and the procedures and safeguards, i.e. checks and balances, will help maintain it. It does sometimes seem to be eroding though. Checks and balances evaporated when the GOP senate endorsed the executive breaking the law, in great part based on the belief in executive immunity. No, I do not want martial law, not ever, but especially not with this crowd in power. 1
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 WHO Warns-ABC News: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/coronavirus-live-updates-pandemic-is-accelerating-who-warns/ar-BB11z4C6?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=hplocalnews "It took 67 days from the first reported case to reach the first 100,000 cases. Eleven days for the second 100,000 and just four days for the third 100,000," he said. That is a sobering/staggering piece of information . . .
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 WHO Warns-ABC News (The link to the article is in moderation but it says: "It took 67 days from the first reported case to reach the first 100,000 cases. Eleven days for the second 100,000 and just four days for the third 100,000," he said. That is a sobering/staggering piece of information . . . 1
mark clemson Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Hope this isn't redundant with stuff that's already been said in this thread (I haven't read the whole thing) but am linking as input here.
Gaeta Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Update in my Province: Our PM just announced all industries have to close by tomorrow midnight. Our province is now on total pause. Only groceries and pharmacies will remain open. Also people in retirement homes are not allowed to go outside anymore unless accompanied by a home-worker for emergencies only, that is good!!! They were our biggest delinquants. 2
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Killing the economy has real human costs as well; I hope governments don't overreact. The S. Korea model looks really ideal, and they didn't shut down much at all for long. 1
BC1980 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) It's getting rough out there in hospitals. Administration shut my floor down because we mostly do elective procedures. I was floated to another floor for the weekend. I'm not sure how all of this will work going forward. I have enough vacation time for 4 weeks if it comes to that. Also, the lack of adequate PPE is true. I won't get into details, but it's a problem. Edited March 23, 2020 by BC1980
JustGettingBy Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 All non- essential services where I am are shut down. What I'm really fearing is the possibility of this being like the Spanish Flu, where after the first part of it was over, there was a "second wave" that was even stronger. 1
Gaeta Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: The S. Korea model looks really ideal, and they didn't shut down much at all for long. I know, but S. Koreans obeyed the safety instructions right away...they didn't go beach party by the 100s after being told to keep a safety distance, right. 7
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Yep that is a possibility. But, the possibility could be minimized if every one would do what needs to be done right now and for a sufficient period of time. 2
mark clemson Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) It's true that IF people stayed shut in for 3 weeks, we could possibly end this thing by ending transmission. It's not likely to happen, but it could possibly. I agree with @sothereiwas as well that the economic toll is a factor. If we save 1.5% of our population, but 10% is made homeless, that is, IMO, a genuine issue to be factored in. In the US it is extremely hard to recover once you become homeless. An entire generation of former service economy workers living in the streets will cause it's own set of issues, some of which might conceivably outweigh the benefits of what we're doing. For example millions of homeless who used to scrape by become prostitutes, drug addicts, or otherwise turning to crime. The ultimate death toll might actually be higher. A no win situation unfortunately, IMO. Edited March 23, 2020 by mark clemson 3 1
Tamfana Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, BC1980 said: It's getting rough out there in hospitals. Administration shut my floor down because we mostly do elective procedures. I was floated to another floor for the weekend. I'm not sure how all of this will work going forward. I have enough vacation time for 4 weeks if it comes to that. Also, the lack of adequate PPE is true. I won't get into details, but it's a problem. Thank you so much for the work you're doing, BC. You are one of the heroes of the time. Stay as safe as you can and know that so many of us appreciate very much what you are doing. 2 1
BC1980 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tamfana said: Thank you so much for the work you're doing, BC. You are one of the heroes of the time. Stay as safe as you can and know that so many of us appreciate very much what you are doing. I don't see myself as a hero, but I appreciate the sentiment. 2
BC1980 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 48 minutes ago, JustGettingBy said: All non- essential services where I am are shut down. What I'm really fearing is the possibility of this being like the Spanish Flu, where after the first part of it was over, there was a "second wave" that was even stronger. I watched a documentary about the Spanish flu that said it mutated during the summer after the first wave and came back stronger. Freaked me out a little. 1
Inflikted Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 I hate sounding "selfish", as it's not that I don't get the situation, and it's not that I don't understand this is hard for everyone. But the isolation is already getting to me. Like, before all this happened, I've been going every week to spend time with my two best friends at their house. This past weekend, we made no plans to get together; while we didn't discuss it, I assume we're all just "self isolating". And from the sounds of it, my city/ state will become even more strict on leaving your home for non-essential reasons in the next day or two. So, I probably won't get to see my friends for a few more weeks. And because people are projecting this to last much longer, those weeks could turn into months. It's scary, and sad, and frustrating to know that I may not get to see my friends for a very, very long time. What if the time apart makes them lose interest in me? At least they have each other. I don't really have anyone to "weather this storm" with.
Gaeta Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Inflikted: You're by yourself? No family around? Real friends don't disappear just because of physical absence. You can still talk to them through skype, facetime, social media. Create a messenger's group and invite everyone to join and exchange words of encouragement, jokes, music, etc. 3
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, justwhoiam said: If the system is overturned, you're not going to have an economy anymore. We have the military taking corpses away, because there's no other way to manage anymore. Just picture it this way: in New York there's a bomb every day killing 400 to 700 people each time. Get the idea? After a few weeks of that, I'm sure you don't feel like going out for walks anymore. we don't have an economy now... what's the difference? the vaccine for this is at least 6months to a year away... we gonna do this for that whole time? Please... 1
Inflikted Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gaeta said: Inflikted: You're by yourself? No family around? Real friends don't disappear just because of physical absence. You can still talk to them through skype, facetime, social media. Create a messenger's group and invite everyone to join and exchange words of encouragement, jokes, music, etc. I live with my parents, but my mom is a difficult person and my dad mostly keeps to himself. So, yeah, they're there, but they're not great "company". I can't really have actual conversations with them or anything. Since getting laid off last week, I've mostly just been keeping to myself and trying to keep myself preoccupied. For now, I've texted a little with my friends over the last day or two, and that's fine, but it's not quite the same, and it's just a bit sad knowing that it might be a very long time before I get to see them in person again.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Redhead14 said: Our government?? Pretty much all governments are clamping down. Some have been slower than others, but they will catch up at some point. People who are not showing any symptoms can and do move about freely. However, you have to realize that even if you aren't showing any symptoms, you still might be contagious. On top of that, even if you aren't showing any symptoms, you could still be contagious. And, every time you go out anywhere where there are people around, you have to reset "the clock" so to speak to observe if you develop any symptoms for the next 14 days following. You don't know who does or doesn't have it and you don't know who will or won't be affected because there are lots and lots of people out there with "underlying" conditions that they aren't even aware of -- yet. But, if you have any kind of symptoms, you need to stay the heck home until the symptoms passes at least or develop into something more serious. And, in between, limit your exposure and everyone else's. It's just the right thing to do from a humanitarian standpoint. I bet they could pretty much guarantee that if we hadn't taken the measures we have taken, it would have been even worse at this point. We are being told that we haven't even seen the worst of this outbreak yet. There are lots and lots of people who were poo pooing all this in the beginning and have since changed their minds. How guilty would you feel if you infected one of your friends or family members who end up really suffering from this? If we do what needs to be done right now, we will at least be limiting the economic damage. If we had really done more in the very beginning, we might already have been coming out of this by now! Look, most people will be fine. Keep the most vulnerable, keep them at home, compensate them for it, so they don't get evicted or starve to death... create hours where they alone can shop, without possible contamination... but to keep the whole population at home is ridiculous. 1
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Gaeta said: Thankfully this President is surrounded by infectuous disease specialists that hammered some common sense into him eventually, but unfortunately too late, and that is why maybe the martial law will be the only way to control your death toll. Sure your rights will be suspended but if you stay home then there is nothing to fear from your government. It will save your life and the life of your love ones. you're all overreacting. Not to minimize the potential hazards of this virus, but the amount of deaths doesn't equal the response we've given it. This path is NOT sustainable... economically. thousands upon thousands of people die on their way to work. Traffic, crime, random accidents... but we don't shut down the economy over it. It's an acceptable cost benefit of a thriving economy, per the society we live in. We try to improve it, but honestly, hundreds of thousands of people die every year... we don't shut down the country over it. We keep moving forward. And we find new ways to improve and protect each other... 1
Foxhall Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Lockdown in the UK, hopefully does not go that far here, need to get out for walks and runs, there will be huge mental health side effects arising from these lockdowns
Beendaredonedat Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Foxhall said: Lockdown in the UK, hopefully does not go that far here, need to get out for walks and runs, there will be huge mental health side effects arising from these lockdowns He had to lock it down because of all the covidiots not doing what they need to do to stop the spread. Did you see all the people out and about... There was even an ice cream truck still selling to all those walking about. Ridiculous! 4
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: you're all overreacting. Not to minimize the potential hazards of this virus, but the amount of deaths doesn't equal the response we've given it. This path is NOT sustainable... economically. thousands upon thousands of people die on their way to work. Traffic, crime, random accidents... but we don't shut down the economy over it. It's an acceptable cost benefit of a thriving economy, per the society we live in. We try to improve it, but honestly, hundreds of thousands of people die every year... we don't shut down the country over it. We keep moving forward. And we find new ways to improve and protect each other... About 100 people die in traffic every day, all year long. We still drive to work. Now I'm a fan of stricter licensing and encouraging telecommuting and discouraging extraneous travel, but the fact is this happens and no one really freaks out about it. So far SARS-COV-2 has killed fewer than 600 Americans. It's certainly going to get worse but a little perspective wouldn't hurt. 1
Beendaredonedat Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 People all over the world don't catch a car accident.
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