Happy Lemming Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Harvey Weinstein tested positive for Covid-19 in prison.
justwhoiam Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: More people die from car accidents per year than the amount of deaths so far. we don't shut down the economy over it. If the system is overturned, you're not going to have an economy anymore. We have the military taking corpses away, because there's no other way to manage anymore. Just picture it this way: in New York there's a bomb every day killing 400 to 700 people each time. Get the idea? After a few weeks of that, I'm sure you don't feel like going out for walks anymore. Edited March 23, 2020 by justwhoiam 1
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Happy Lemming said: Harvey Weinstein tested positive for Covid-19 in prison. He'd probably test positive for other diseases too . . .
Happy Lemming Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 "Spring Breakers" (five students) from University of Tampa test positive for Covid-19. Apparently infected during "spring break" trip while traveling together. 1
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Happy Lemming said: "Spring Breakers" (five students) from University of Tampa test positive for Covid-19. Apparently infected during "spring break" trip while traveling together. And, any of the family members and other friends with whom they've been in contact with since, can thank them for hosing them over too for a round of BS and partying. Geez! Selfish, entitled, brats. They have possibly infected a great number of people exponentially. The original five could possibly have infected, say a 100 others, who in turn, infect Xnumber of others?????? This could go on and on. Edited March 23, 2020 by Redhead14 2
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 I think they should be fined and those funds are used to manufacture more masks and/or tests or helping families in need financially. 2
Happy Lemming Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: And, any of the family members and other friends with whom they've been in contact with since, can thank them for hosing them over too for a round of BS and partying. You are correct... who ever the "five students" have been in contact with after returning from spring break are at risk, now. There was a radio host saying his son returned home from college (because the college shut down) and the son wanted to go out partying with his friends, and the father had to put his foot down and say you are home and staying home. You could infect your mother, sister and me. The radio host added that he, his co-host (and workers) are broadcasting from different studios to practice "social distancing". Apparently this station has the ability to "mix" voices from different studios, so the radio show can continue. 1
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Happy Lemming said: You are correct... who ever the "five students" have been in contact with after returning from spring break are at risk, now. There was a radio host saying his son returned home from college (because the college shut down) and the son wanted to go out partying with his friends, and the father had to put his foot down and say you are home and staying home. You could infect your mother, sister and me. The radio host added that he, his co-host (and workers) are broadcasting from different studios to practice "social distancing". Apparently this station has the ability to "mix" voices from different studios, so the radio show can continue. Yep, all the whining about how martial law is coming is just that -- whining. If we do full on implement martial law, it's really just the equivalent of what the father in the scenario above did. Head of household, being the head of the household and putting his foot down for the good of the household. Edited March 23, 2020 by Redhead14
Gaeta Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 If we all listen to the recommendations and stay home then in 3 months time life will be back to normal and the economy will get back on its feet pretty fast. If we don't listen then we're looking at months fighting this and then yes the economy will suffer greatly before it kicks back. I don't understand this unwillingness to fully cooperate! If we want to live in asociety then we have to be concerned by this society, if people want to live by their own rules then they should live in the middle of the woods somewhere and be selfsuffiant. 2
Tamfana Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Oh my God no, martial law is not a minor thing. Civil rights can be suspended and given how this particular president has defied the courts, believes in personal executive power and immunity to do whatever he wants, AND is still fighting to acquire even more power with the help of Barr, no way do I want THIS president having power to do things like hold people indefinitely without charges, which Barr is requesting right now. No no. Absolutely not. Oh God no.
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tamfana said: Oh my God no, martial law is not a minor thing. Civil rights can be suspended and given how this particular president has defied the courts, believes in personal executive power and immunity to do whatever he wants, AND is still fighting to acquire even more power with the help of Barr, no way do I want THIS president having power to do things like hold people indefinitely without charges, which Barr is requesting right now. No no. Absolutely not. Oh God no. So, I guess you're in the camp that thinks this virus thing is a giant scam and a false flag to set up for a different agenda. In as much as we don't know whether that's a fact or not, I think we need to do something to get these a**holes who don't want to do what's needed for the benefit of us all to do it. How do you propose that gets done? Edited March 23, 2020 by Redhead14 1
Tamfana Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) No. I don't think it's a giant scam at all. My kid in Denmark got it. She's strong, young and fine, minor symptoms last week. Martial law is not the solution imo, but most importantly, it is not just a minor thing, especially with an executive who doesn't even understand basics about the situation. Edited March 23, 2020 by Tamfana
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 I just had to put my foot down with my upstairs neighbor. Long story short, his condo leaked down into mine and he was doing the work to make repairs. We got to talking and he revealed that he works in one of the counties that has the most positive Covid cases in the state and works in a building with over 500 people that was still open for business!!!. On top of that he brought his son down with him to help. I told him I was putting the repair on hold indefinitely. I am a high risk candidate being 61 and have AFib. Now I am on watch for the next 14 days and I have told my SO. We agreed that we would not see each other until that period is up. I would feel guilty as all heck if he got it from being with me or at my place, etc. These are the sacrifices we need to make, not just for ourselves but others as well. 1
Author gaius Posted March 23, 2020 Author Posted March 23, 2020 Forget marshal law, bring back the cattle brand. Anyone caught doing stuff like having boat parties gets branded right between the eyes with a big letter I for idiot. And make it illegal to ever have it removed. While we're at it, any public health official who was rambling on about how the virus was uncontainable in the early days gets the brand too. We'll have so many people lined up that just hiring all the branders will be an economic stimulus package of it's own.
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tamfana said: No. I don't think it's a giant scam at all. My kid in Denmark got it. She's strong, young and fine, minor symptoms last week. Martial law is not the solution imo, but most importantly, it is not just a minor thing, especially with an executive who doesn't even understand basics about the situation. He is not our Emperor (yet). I agree he is a loose cannon. But I don't think that everyone around him would allow him to go to the lengths you are envisioning. The alternative is not have a clear way to manage those who don't wish to cooperate and risk even great damage than we may end up dealing with. We need something to do that. I don't really wish to declare martial law. What I really want is something that at least holds these people significantly accountable for being selfish and irresponsible in a time of crisis. Edited March 23, 2020 by Redhead14 1
Tamfana Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Perhaps you're right that "everyone around him" would stop him but they haven't yet and Barr is seeking expanded power to allow arrest and indefinite detention right now. So I don't why you think they would not do what they are already seeking to do.
Gaeta Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, Tamfana said: no way do I want THIS president having power to do things like hold people indefinitely without charges, which Barr is requesting right now. No no. Absolutely not. Oh God no. Thankfully this President is surrounded by infectuous disease specialists that hammered some common sense into him eventually, but unfortunately too late, and that is why maybe the martial law will be the only way to control your death toll. Sure your rights will be suspended but if you stay home then there is nothing to fear from your government. It will save your life and the life of your love ones. 1
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, gaius said: Forget marshal law, bring back the cattle brand. Anyone caught doing stuff like having boat parties gets branded right between the eyes with a big letter I for idiot. And make it illegal to ever have it removed. While we're at it, any public health official who was rambling on about how the virus was uncontainable in the early days gets the brand too. We'll have so many people lined up that just hiring all the branders will be an economic stimulus package of it's own. Well, I guess the "brand" might end up being a respirator and chronic lungs problems for the rest of their lives.
justwhoiam Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tamfana said: She's strong, young and fine, minor symptoms last week. She got tested? Or you're assuming that she got the coronavirus because she had some flu-like symptoms? Anyway, I guess if she had ended up in an ICU, you wouldn't be talking like this now. 1
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tamfana said: Perhaps you're right that "everyone around him" would stop him but they haven't yet and Barr is seeking expanded power to allow arrest and indefinite detention right now. So I don't why you think they would not do what they are already seeking to do. It hasn't been granted yet and Barr isn't looking to get blanket power to indiscriminately arrest and hold someone indefinitely . He is looking to use extended power during a crisis for managing court cases by pausing the statute of limitations, etc but there is a 1 year limit after the crisis is resolved.
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, Tamfana said: Perhaps you're right that "everyone around him" would stop him but they haven't yet and Barr is seeking expanded power to allow arrest and indefinite detention right now. So I don't why you think they would not do what they are already seeking to do. By the way, Tamfana. I understand and agree that we should keep a vigilant and watchful eye over what could affect our rights. It's a good thing to do. I try to keep some faith that the basis for our system of government and the procedures and safeguards, i.e. checks and balances, will help maintain it. It does sometimes seem to be eroding though. 1
justwhoiam Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 The level of some posts I'm reading here is quite discouraging. Meanwhile, we lost at least 3 doctors for the virus. Sure they could have been killed in a car accident... but they died while on duty. This is a basketball player - in perfect health before getting infected - who went through a bad time: He developed symptoms, then got pneumonia and tested positive for Covid 19. He said he had never felt so bad his whole life. He needed a respirator. He had a fever for 9 days. He was isolated in hospital and then had to spend another 5 days in hospital before being sent home. Now he's in quarantine at home. He not only feared for his life, but he also saw the misery of people coming and going fast all for Covid 19, and doctors and nurses running around like crazy to save lives.
sothereiwas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 I think this is news, sort of: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3076323/third-coronavirus-cases-may-be-silent-carriers-classified "The number of “silent carriers” – people who are infected by the new coronavirus but show delayed or no symptoms – could be as high as one-third of those who test positive, according to classified Chinese government data seen by the South China Morning Post. That could further complicate the strategies being used by countries to contain the virus, which has infected more than 300,000 people and killed more than 14,000 globally. More than 43,000 people in China had tested positive for Covid-19 by the end of February but had no immediate symptoms, a condition typically known as asymptomatic, according to the data. They were placed in quarantine and monitored but were not included in the official tally of confirmed cases, which stood at about 80,000 at the time. Scientists have been unable to agree on what role asymptomatic transmission plays in spreading the disease. A patient usually develops symptoms in five days, though the incubation period can be as long as three weeks in some rare cases."
Tamfana Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gaeta said: Thankfully this President is surrounded by infectuous disease specialists that hammered some common sense into him eventually, but unfortunately too late, and that is why maybe the martial law will be the only way to control your death toll. Sure your rights will be suspended but if you stay home then there is nothing to fear from your government. It will save your life and the life of your love ones. We'll see. I'm curious as to whether Fauci will be with Trump today. He's contradicted the president in public and I believe he was not included yesterday, probably as a result of his deigning to give accurate info. I'll post a link to a clip from a speech that's important (imo)- Molly Ivins on liberty. It's taking a while for the link to show, but just google Molly Ivins John Henry and it comes up. Bottom line- we get so scared in this country over and over, about a real menace, and give up our liberties in response, leaving us with fewer freedoms, not safety. Edited March 23, 2020 by Tamfana
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