amaysngrace Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 If she’s suppose to self isolate she is suppose to stay home. Nobody wants her out and about spreading her virus. I’m glad she got arrested. It’s better than infecting more people. 4
suladas Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, pepperbird said: look up what happened to a woman. in Quebec to see how out of hand this is getting. she was supposed to self isolate, and decide that since the weather was nice and no one was around and she wasn't feeling sick, it would be okay to go for a walk. She was arrested and taken to the hospital. She wasn't going around other people, she wasn't in a store, she wasn't spreading her illness. She was far away form anyone, just out for a walk. That's not preventing spread of the virus, that's just panic. Because she's not following the orders of the police state. I cannot believe people are screaming for a lockdown and don't realize how easy they are giving all the power to the government, it's unreal. They have no idea the consequences that going to come from this. If she was anywhere with any risk of infecting others I get it, but out for a walk? No way. 1
sothereiwas Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, pepperbird said: look up what happened to a woman. in Quebec to see how out of hand this is getting. she was supposed to self isolate, and decide that since the weather was nice and no one was around and she wasn't feeling sick, it would be okay to go for a walk. If she's under medical orders to stay inside and away from people she should stay inside and away from people. Whether those orders make sense or not is a separate discussion but for those who are actually known to be infected following medical directives is pretty damn important. On the other hand, expecting an entire nation or state to stop all economic activity and stay home is goofy, and in fact counting on people like this, who are known infected, to stay home is what allows everyone else to go on with business. So yeah, I'm OK with old-yellerin' her.
pepperbird Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, suladas said: Because she's not following the orders of the police state. I cannot believe people are screaming for a lockdown and don't realize how easy they are giving all the power to the government, it's unreal. They have no idea the consequences that going to come from this. If she was anywhere with any risk of infecting others I get it, but out for a walk? No way. I know. It wasn't as if she was even with anyone. There was no one for a few dozen meters.
pepperbird Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: If she's under medical orders to stay inside and away from people she should stay inside and away from people. Whether those orders make sense or not is a separate discussion but for those who are actually known to be infected following medical directives is pretty damn important. On the other hand, expecting an entire nation or state to stop all economic activity and stay home is goofy, and in fact counting on people like this, who are known infected, to stay home is what allows everyone else to go on with business. So yeah, I'm OK with old-yellerin' her. For how long? How long will this directive remain? It's easy to say hunker down for a week or two, but if the news is accurate, there may not be a vaccine for quite some time.
sothereiwas Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, pepperbird said: How long will this directive remain? For as long as she personally is directed by her doctor I would hope, one assumes for as long as she's able to pass the virus to others, a few weeks I'd guess. 1
sothereiwas Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, pepperbird said: There was no one for a few dozen meters. If she's known to be shedding the virus, all she has to do is place her hand on a handrail and someone else come along hours later and do the same. 2
pepperbird Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, sothereiwas said: If she's known to be shedding the virus, all she has to do is place her hand on a handrail and someone else come along hours later and do the same. She was isolated from anyone, posing no risk. She'd been told to get some fresh air and exercise by her doctor and thought that walking alone along a deserted sidewalk would be okay.
pepperbird Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: For as long as she personally is directed by her doctor I would hope, one assumes for as long as she's able to pass the virus to others, a few weeks I'd guess. Her doctor recommended to her that since she was doing well and not sick, she could benefit from some fresh air and exercise.
amaysngrace Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, pepperbird said: Her doctor recommended to her that since she was doing well and not sick, she could benefit from some fresh air and exercise. Then she should do jumping jacks or yard work. Not be meters away from others. My friend’s son is an epidemiologist, he makes vaccines and this thing is scaring even him. It can live on stainless steel for up to THREE DAYS, let that sink in. Edited March 22, 2020 by amaysngrace 2
elaine567 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 I don't get it pepperbird, you are a person at increased risk of developing complications from this virus Why are you defending this woman positive for the virus, who could have put others at risk? 1
littleblackheart Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, pepperbird said: She was isolated from anyone, posing no risk. She'd been told to get some fresh air and exercise by her doctor and thought that walking alone along a deserted sidewalk would be okay. It's like going through red lights when you're the only car on the road...You still shouldn't do it. She didn't know she'd be the only one there when she set off. If she was told to isolate, she must have had symptoms. By telling her to go out for a run, her doctor didn't act with due diligence. That, or no doctor told her to go out and run when she's meant to isolate. Edited March 22, 2020 by littleblackheart 1
sothereiwas Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: It's like going through red lights when you're the only car on the road...You still shouldn't do it. I'd say it's almost exactly like that. I've done that*, in extreme circumstances, with the knowledge I could face the consequences. * Riding a motorcycle in the wee hours, one might wait literally hours for other traffic to come along, and my carbon-fiber and magnesium ride won't trigger the magnetic loop that tells the light to turn green. In this case, I would sometimes find myself at the red where the off-ramp joins surface streets, no safe and legal way around, just blocked for hours at a silent intersection unless I went ahead. That's an extreme circumstance. Wanting to get a little sunshine? Maybe not so much.
justwhoiam Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 3 hours ago, suladas said: Look at Taiwan for example, still going to work, school, everything. They just got everyone on board with being cautious and better sanitation. They have 153 cases and 2 deaths, in a country of 23 million that is incredibly small and yet had their first case the same time as Canada which now has over 1300. They're well ahead of anyone else, that's why they contained it pretty well. They had their first case in January. By 5 January 2020, the Taiwan CDC began monitoring all individuals who had travelled to Wuhan within fourteen days and exhibited a fever or symptoms of upper respiratory tract infections. These people were screened for 26 known pathogens, including SARS and MERS, and those testing positive were quarantined That proved to work. Now everyone else in the world is starting quarantine way later (a month later for Italy, almost 2 months later for most other countries), so it'll be harder, because the virus spread in the meantime. They have other advantages in Taiwan: they speak Chinese and they went through SARS. We didn't. 1
justwhoiam Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 For the same reason, other Asian countries are doing well. We were totally unprepared. We're already paying for this.
justwhoiam Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 3 hours ago, pepperbird said: she wasn't spreading her illness Uhm, yeah, she was. She tested positive for Covid 19. So yes, the moment you go anywhere, you're spreading the virus. Whatever she touched could be infected up to 3 days or so, or virus could remain in the air for a few hours. Also, you need to abide by the law. Law can't be bent individually just because. You need to understand that one person feeling entitled will make anyone else feel entitled. And what do you get then? Anarchy. You don't want a system that is unstable during a pandemy. Why don't adults understand those things? It's like they lack basic judgment. 2
Happy Lemming Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 Andy Cohen (Bravo Network) host for "Watch what happens, live" tested positive for the coronavirus.
justwhoiam Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 3 hours ago, suladas said: If she was anywhere with any risk of infecting others I get it, but out for a walk? No way. This proves people are thick, and they think they're smart! It's like playing in a team and going one's way regardless, as if there was no team. People who have a hard time living in society should be hermits 1,000 miles from any form of human life.
justwhoiam Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, sothereiwas said: expecting an entire nation or state to stop all economic activity and stay home is goofy That's an extreme measure against a lethal virus for which there's no vaccine or cure. They are trying to treat with different drugs, but as you can see, they don't always work, and the outcome is quite unpredictable at times. You wanna play Russian roulette, get a gun and play Russian roulette. Most people prefer not to risk it. A 32 year old guy died few days ago 3 miles from me. He was gone in 3 days. Edited March 22, 2020 by justwhoiam 1
suladas Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, justwhoiam said: This proves people are thick, and they think they're smart! It's like playing in a team and going one's way regardless, as if there was no team. People who have a hard time living in society should be hermits 1,000 miles from any form of human life. Why is that? Unless you know all the circumstances you have no idea if they were endangering anyone. If they were they deserve to be arrested but to make a blanket statement because they went outside makes no sense. If they live in a house and simply walked out their front door and never got into 50' of another soul there is absolutely zero chance of infecting someone else. Now if they lived in any sort of multi-family it would be a different story. You are in Europe, which is night and day different in terms of how close people live then here in Canada in many cases. Another forum I frequent, a guy and his family just got back from Europe no one has any symptoms but suppose to isolate for 14 years. They were all outside riding snowmobiles, skating on rink, etc on their acreage today. Now are you going to say they shouldn't be doing that too? In fact being outside after coming home is actually safer for them because if one does have it you would be more likely to show symptoms before passing it to someone else by now being stuffed in a house together. 1
justwhoiam Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 10 hours ago, suladas said: Unless you know all the circumstances you have no idea if they were endangering anyone. If you resulted positive, and this woman did, you are 100% contagious. Do you understand that? You just don't take a chance, it's prohibited. Period. She could have tripped or accidentally fallen down. And you can even start developing symptoms, while being outside. That happened here. A couple was in quarantine in their home town, and decided to move out to their holiday house. They must have reasoned just like you. This was weeks ago, they were somehow able to leave without being stopped (now that's hardly possible). They must have thought: we're not putting anyone in danger: we drive our own car and go straight to the house. But unfortunately, they both started developing flu-like symptoms: cold, fever, fatigue and having a hard time breathing. They rushed to the nearest hospital, I don't even know if they had any mask. They put an entire facility at risk, a different town and region. You get the picture. I guess they will be prosecuted. They should have known better. 2
justwhoiam Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 10 hours ago, suladas said: a guy and his family just got back from Europe no one has any symptoms but suppose to isolate for 14 years. They were all outside riding snowmobiles, skating on rink, etc on their acreage today. Now are you going to say they shouldn't be doing that too? If you stay within your own property, and property is not a condo, it's fine. Families share space. If you resulted positive to this coronavirus and your family resulted negative, here you need to be in quarantine. They ask you if you can self isolated in your own home. If your type of home doesn't allow that (for instance you have a hallway to reach the bathroom), then they keep you in hospital. I must say most of our homes don't have in-room bathroom, while in the US many do.
Gaeta Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 18 hours ago, pepperbird said: I know. It wasn't as if she was even with anyone. There was no one for a few dozen meters. I agree with this woman being taken to the hospital. Staying home means 'staying home'. Sure she was just on a walk but she could have tripped and fall, or feel illl of a sudden, people would have approached to help her, or medics would have been called, and 10 other possible scenarios she could have infected people. If she cannot understand a simple order like 'stay home and don't go out', then she probably don't understand social distancing either. She was right in the middle of Charlebourg in Quebec City. This is a crowded residential area with uninfected people taking walks, post office worker and delivery services walking by her, not a remote area. 1
2BGoodAgain Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 all this shutdown / basic martial law.... is ridiculous. our gov't is overreacting to Covid-19. More people die from car accidents per year than the amount of deaths so far. we don't shut down the economy over it. i'm not saying people won't go to the hospital or that some people won't die.. i'm saying, keep the economy going.. no matter what. you shut down the economy, and no amount of stimulus is gonna keep it up. the C0vid-19 is in EVERY state... there is no containment, at this point. keep the elderly/suspectible people off the streets. create shopping hours or stores for those who need it. the rest of society needs to move forward.
Redhead14 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: all this shutdown / basic martial law.... is ridiculous. our gov't is overreacting to Covid-19. More people die from car accidents per year than the amount of deaths so far. we don't shut down the economy over it. i'm not saying people won't go to the hospital or that some people won't die.. i'm saying, keep the economy going.. no matter what. you shut down the economy, and no amount of stimulus is gonna keep it up. the C0vid-19 is in EVERY state... there is no containment, at this point. keep the elderly/suspectible people off the streets. create shopping hours or stores for those who need it. the rest of society needs to move forward. Our government?? Pretty much all governments are clamping down. Some have been slower than others, but they will catch up at some point. People who are not showing any symptoms can and do move about freely. However, you have to realize that even if you aren't showing any symptoms, you still might be contagious. On top of that, even if you aren't showing any symptoms, you could still be contagious. And, every time you go out anywhere where there are people around, you have to reset "the clock" so to speak to observe if you develop any symptoms for the next 14 days following. You don't know who does or doesn't have it and you don't know who will or won't be affected because there are lots and lots of people out there with "underlying" conditions that they aren't even aware of -- yet. But, if you have any kind of symptoms, you need to stay the heck home until the symptoms passes at least or develop into something more serious. And, in between, limit your exposure and everyone else's. It's just the right thing to do from a humanitarian standpoint. I bet they could pretty much guarantee that if we hadn't taken the measures we have taken, it would have been even worse at this point. We are being told that we haven't even seen the worst of this outbreak yet. There are lots and lots of people who were poo pooing all this in the beginning and have since changed their minds. How guilty would you feel if you infected one of your friends or family members who end up really suffering from this? If we do what needs to be done right now, we will at least be limiting the economic damage. If we had really done more in the very beginning, we might already have been coming out of this by now! Edited March 23, 2020 by Redhead14
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