Novel Coronavirus COVID-19

[amaysngrace]

yes it’s the same thing and both mean STAY AT HOME!

[justwhoiam]

5 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

I'm not certain the phrase has been around long enough to have a hard and fast legal definition. Most people seem to be treating it as just stay away from others. If it means the same as self quarantine, it's redundant isn't it?

I might be wrong but I understand it this way:

Self quarantine: you decide to quarantine yourself staying at home, which can include family.

Self isolate: you decide to isolate yourself in your home, to prevent spreading virus in case you have symptoms.

[sothereiwas]

7 minutes ago, amaysngrace said:

yes it’s the same thing and both mean STAY AT HOME!

Not convinced, but you do you

[justwhoiam]

Note: people who result positive to Covid 19 but feel OK are sent home if they can self isolate. If their home doesn't allow self isolation from the rest of the family, they keep you in hospital in quarantine.

Edited March 22, 2020 by justwhoiam

[amaysngrace]

1 minute ago, sothereiwas said:

Not convinced, but you do you

They both mean stay at home.  Here’s the government explanation differentiating the two terms:

https://www.hhs.gov/answers/public-health-and-safety/what-is-the-difference-between-isolation-and-quarantine/index.html

[littleblackheart]

15 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

I'm not certain the phrase has been around long enough to have a hard and fast legal definition. Most people seem to be treating it as just stay away from others. If it means the same as self quarantine, it's redundant isn't it?is

isolation is used  for those who are affected, quarantine is used for those under the same roof as someone who is affected and need to stay away from the affected person to protect themselves from potential infection. They mean the same thing , ie stay indoors completely (no going out at all). When you are still allowed to go out (for food or essential errands or a walk), you are in confinement, which is what the authorities are currently advocating, not in isolation or on quarantine.

Edited March 22, 2020 by littleblackheart

[Libby1]

13 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

Every year when school starts I go to Costco and get two of the 2x1 liter packs, give one to whoever the new teacher is and open one for home. So yeah, we have about 90% of 2 liters of the stuff around the house. We mostly use it to refill the little bottles since we have soap and water (4 sinks around the house for pity sakes) here but the extra action my old personal bottle has been getting was finally too much. The silicone travel bottle seems nice, even has a molded in suction cup on the side just in case you want to stick it to something I guess. 

I've only got a 250ml bottle which I've been filling small containers with.  It seems to be lasting well enough (thankfully, since there's none for sale) but that's probably because I'm dramatically limiting the amount I go out.  Picking up after the dog is the main thing, but I've started just waiting until I go in and washing my hands thoroughly instead.  Apparently good old soap is the best thing to wash your hands with because the chemical make up degrades the virus.

Re the self isolation thing...official guidance from the govt here (UK) is that self isolation means you stay in your home and avoid contact with anybody....with friends or delivery services dropping off any groceries.  That would be a massive problem for anybody who's really isolated, since the main supermarkets don't have any delivery slots.  Self isolation is, as far as I understand it, pretty much the same as quarantining...and is for people who have been knowingly exposed to the virus.  At the moment where I live we're still talking more in terms of "social distancing".  Avoiding group gatherings, avoiding public transport, communicating with friends and family (other than the ones you live with) by phone, having telephone appointments with people like GPs if possible, working from home etc.

[amaysngrace]

13 minutes ago, littleblackheart said:

isolation is used  for those who are affected, quarantine is used for those under the same roof as someone who is affected and need to stay away from the affected person to protect themselves from potential infection. They mean the same thing , ie stay indoors completely (no going out at all). When you are still allowed to go out (for food or essential errands or a walk), you are in confinement, which is what the authorities are currently advocating, not in isolation or on quarantine.

Right.  I just posted a link to our government website but it’s not showing just yet.

Basically it says Self-Isolation is for those who have it, Self-Quarantine is for those who have been exposed.

Either way, STAY HOME

[SummerDreams]

So it seems that people have not taken the example of Italy and they left this weekend to go to their houses out of town and they went swimming etc while the government is begging us to stay at home. Therefore the Prime Minister decided to ban all non-essential movement starting Monday.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-22-20/h_ce4a38b15cda11ea0c6238c870ad340d

I'm scared for people who are in hospitals and i'm also scared of how life will be when and if this nightmare is over.

[sothereiwas]

2 hours ago, amaysngrace said:

Self isolate means don’t go outside your home, even for a walk.

So how do you know the people you're getting twisted about are "affected"? We have people out walking around now but they don't have the red 'A' so I guess they're OK.

[amaysngrace]

omg how are people so dense???

if you’re told to self quarantine you’re to stay home, just like I said to the person I was responding to in the first place! 

[sothereiwas]

1 hour ago, Libby1 said:

At the moment where I live we're still talking more in terms of "social distancing". 

I guess that's where we are. People in the pacific NW are a lot less dense than in places like the East coast or Europe, so that's probably got a lot to do with it. 

[Happy Lemming]

Andy Cohen (Bravo Network) tested positive for the coronavirus.

https://www.today.com/popculture/andy-cohen-tests-positive-coronavirus-t176539

[sothereiwas]

So bitching about random people out and about is pointless, since there's no way to know if they are 'affected'. Whatever. This is why I don't live in the city; too many people putting their noses into other people's business. 

[amaysngrace]

Well my daughter works in healthcare and I don’t want her or anyone else who is putting their health on the line to have added strain due to personal irresponsibility and ignorance.

It’s something I’m passionate about.

[suladas]

Staying home isn't going to end this, as it's impossible to completely shut everything down and it's not sustainable for any period anyway. Look at Taiwan for example, still going to work, school, everything. They just got everyone on board with being cautious and better sanitation. They have 153 cases and 2 deaths, in a country of 23 million that is incredibly small and yet had their first case the same time as Canada which now has over 1300. The other way is more testing, which is proving to be effective in Italy.

[amaysngrace]

In Taiwan they don’t need a lockdown because their citizens are doing their part.

Apples to oranges. 

[sothereiwas]

10 minutes ago, amaysngrace said:

Well my daughter works in healthcare

Yeah, and I spent the night in a Holiday Inn once.

If people were as clean now as they should be ALL the time we wouldn't be seeing nearly the annual flu toll either. Freaking out about some people walking around and staying a reasonable distance from others isn't going to solve anything. 

[littleblackheart]

4 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

So how do you know the people you're getting twisted about are "affected"?

You don't.

 

Some people are asymptomatic carriers, to complicate matters.

 

You don't decide by yourself whether you are affected, btw. There is a protocol in place, and you have to follow your national health service guidelines. If you have a particular set of symptoms, you will be considered 'affected'. Protocol in the UK says you won't be tested if not serious, but you have to stay at home regardless.

 

Because we have to rely on social responsibility to stop the spreading, and because too many people can't be trusted to be socially responsible, authorities have to intervene to at least try to limit the strain on health services.

 

The only reason for not imposing some form of confinement is financial; on balance, some authorities choose to put vulnerable people in danger for the sake of economic considerations. It's a difficult balancing act, admittedly, but there's nothing 'dense' about prioritising health over economy.

 

 

[sothereiwas]

3 hours ago, amaysngrace said:

Self isolate means don’t go outside your home, even for a walk.

So basically when your medical service provider tells you to self isolate, they would presumably explain what's required for your case and make sure you can accommodate that? Right?

Not just everyone huddle inside like cavemen as a matter of course.

 

BTW, if you recall my "pandemic footprint" on that goofy little questionnaire was 3 out of 1000, so whatever. 

Edited March 22, 2020 by sothereiwas

[amaysngrace]

It’s up to individuals to stock up in the event they need to self-isolate.  You’re told to self-isolate if you’re sick with this.  

If you pose no risk, aren’t sick or have been knowingly exposed, then you can go out and about but just practice social distancing. 

And handwashing, that’s SO important! 

Edited March 22, 2020 by amaysngrace

[sothereiwas]

2 minutes ago, amaysngrace said:

knowingly exposed

That's an odd phrase. It sounds like exposed on purpose, but I assume it's meant to try and say if you suspect you've been exposed.

[thefooloftheyear]

I guess all we can do at this point is follow the directives....

I do wonder though  how good it can be for people to basically lounge around in homes that, for the most part, aren't getting enough fresh air(too cold), eat too much, and not get any exercise....I guess we'll have to deal with the negative health effects of that later on...

On a more positive note, I have been getting caught up on a lot of things that I haven't been able to before due to lack of time or whatever...Clearing out a lot of junk that's been dogging me and trying to tidy up a lot of loose ends...I have a busted up shoulder I have been dealing with for years and haven't had a chance to fix it because I cant dedicate the time needed for rehab..This would be an ideal time to deal with that, but I don't think any elective surgeries are happening right now, even if they are in office procedures like this one...Too bad..

I am fortunate enough to be able to go to work(I am in an essential need business), I don't do well with confinement...

Wishing all well..

TFY

[amaysngrace]

We all just need to ride out this storm together, it sucks for everyone but much more for some than for others.  

In NJ four people in the same family have died and they can’t even be together to grieve their great loss.  

I think at a time like this we should all just be thankful for what we do have rather than complaining about what we’re giving up. 

Compared to the hardships many are facing what’s being asked of us is relatively nothing.  The least we can do is comply. 

 

[pepperbird]

26 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

So basically when your medical service provider tells you to self isolate, they would presumably explain what's required for your case and make sure you can accommodate that? Right?

Not just everyone huddle inside like cavemen as a matter of course.

 

BTW, if you recall my "pandemic footprint" on that goofy little questionnaire was 3 out of 1000, so whatever. 

look up what happened to a woman. in Quebec to see how out of hand this is getting. she was supposed to self isolate, and decide that since the weather was nice and no one was around and she wasn't feeling sick, it would be okay to go for a walk.
She was arrested and taken to the hospital.
She wasn't going around other people, she wasn't in a store, she wasn't spreading her illness. She was far away form anyone, just out for a walk.
That's not preventing spread of the virus, that's just panic.

Edited March 22, 2020 by pepperbird