Woggle Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, amaysngrace said: Yes we did and it’s a very good thing imo. If people can’t act on their own then someone needs to tell them how to act. It’s a shame that it has to come to that but some people are idiots. I don’t want to leave it up to them to do things their own way. I agree with you on that. Santa Monica Pier is actually blocked off. I do hope that this is over by summer because the Jersey Shore from what I hear is actually starting to recover from Sandy and it would be sad for this to throw them for another loop. 1
amaysngrace Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Woggle said: I do hope that this is over by summer because the Jersey Shore from what I hear is actually starting to recover from Sandy and it would be sad for this to throw them for another loop. I’m not sure if it will be over by the start of summer but hopefully by July. China is having its second wave and they’re a couple months ahead of us.
Woggle Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 Instead of preparing for what was coming they waited until the situation was completely out of control to do something.
amaysngrace Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, Woggle said: Instead of preparing for what was coming they waited until the situation was completely out of control to do something. Who are you talking about?
Woggle Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, amaysngrace said: Who are you talking about? A lot of people. Institutions around the world waited until it got to this point to take real action.
FMW Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 I live in the middle of the US, and while my state has simply implemented social distancing recommendations, my City has now issued a Stay at Home Order. Honestly, most retail operations were closed anyway except for grocery stores, pharmacies and gas stations, so it's not going to be that big of a difference. I live in a popular entertainment district, and the area is eerily quiet now. At least there are a lot of virtual museum tours available online. Local musicians are starting live and recorded streams through Facebook and YouTube. We ARE allowed to get outside for exercise as long as we stay at least 6 feet away from other people. I am really worried about the effect on the economy though. If this goes on for long many smaller businesses will never come back. I think this will have a lasting effect on the way we look at conducting our personal business in the future.
amaysngrace Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 We’re encouraged to get outside, to go for a walk or a jog even, but just to maintain an acceptable distance while encountering others.
Happy Lemming Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 2 hours ago, sothereiwas said: I've been assuming that bleach would be the way to clean surfaces - was I wrong? I think the CDC has a "recipe" for the bleach/water solution you should be using for cleaning. I made some up and put it in a trigger bottle to spray on various surfaces, including my outside trash cans after the trash is picked up. I think the trick is to spray it on and let it dry.
elaine567 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, gaius said: Did they handle everything perfectly from the get go? Or release every bit of information the minute they had it? No, but overall they were fairly open with the world and gave the west all the time it needed plus extra to start preparing. Which the west promptly squandered And still are. Italy and Spain are in lockdown and still the deaths rise exponentially. We in the UK are still playing around as if we have all the time in the world... 1 1
sothereiwas Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 If this is the level of activity that comprises vital activity, it's very possible the average person wastes too much time dicking around. It's ghost town out there, which is nice, but even at 3x current it would be really slow, and that's probably what it should be at. Flu comes every year, after all.
sothereiwas Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 40 minutes ago, Happy Lemming said: I think the CDC has a "recipe" for the bleach/water solution you should be using for cleaning. Yeah, not straight obviously. On another note, the local grocery store was fine except (drum roll) no eggs or alcohol based hand cleaner. The lid broke on my old personal sized bottle so I got a couple silicone travel bottles, empty, and filled one from one of the vats at home. Ice cream was 2 for $5, grapes $1.49 a pound
littleblackheart Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 8 hours ago, elaine567 said: We in the UK are still playing around as if we have all the time in the world... Boris Johnson has made so many u-turns on this he must be spinning on himself. They've changed the protocol again and now the whole family has to stay indoors for 14 days if one person has symptoms. It's like they don't know other countries are dealing with it too, or they think going it alone is best when dealing with a pandemic. Glad Macron threatened to close the border to France; that shocked him into action with finally closing schools, gyms and restaurants. If only they could clearly explain what they're doing; at the moment it seems like they're completely improvising. Not reassuring at all. 1
Libby1 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 8 hours ago, sothereiwas said: Yeah, not straight obviously. On another note, the local grocery store was fine except (drum roll) no eggs or alcohol based hand cleaner. The lid broke on my old personal sized bottle so I got a couple silicone travel bottles, empty, and filled one from one of the vats at home. Ice cream was 2 for $5, grapes $1.49 a pound You have vats of sanitiser at home? Are you talking gallons of the stuff?
Piddy Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) Florida was a little behind most states in closing businesses, beaches etc.. We're still playing golf tomorrow unless they close the courses. We use Lysol wipes to clean the steering wheel etc. on the golf carts. Can't eat afterward in the clubhouse restaurant though, which is a good idea. Just have to hope the golf buddy sitting next to you in the cart doesn't have it. Otherwise golf is naturally socially distancing. Our 80 year old is staying home though. Can't blame him at his age. Also, we don't shake hands or do a fist bump after the round. An air elbow dab is about it. Edited March 22, 2020 by Piddy
Piddy Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 Saw something interesting this morning. The COVID-19 virus has hooks on it that hook onto the lung. They're trying to come up with something that unhooks the protein so as to not hook onto the lung. Just heard that even if you get take out food the virus can live on the cardboard for 24 hours.
pepperbird Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 13 hours ago, NuevoYorko said: No long term plan. We are all learning as we go along and mostly in survival mode. If you're in the US you will know there are states completely under shelter-in-place, while other states have a governor encouraging residents to go to restaurants. Simultaneously. Have you recently come around to believing that this is actually a serious problem rather than a conspiracy or media hype? One can question the status quo and media reporting without feeling something is a conspiracy. The "conspiracy" I see is click bait and irresponsible reporting. I also question my government's assertion that there will be timely "bump ups" to unemployment insurance, child tax credit benefits, etc. as well as the mortgage payment forgiveness over the next few months. My husband is a fed employee-required to stay at home-the same way the people who process these claims have been told to stay at home. We've had over 500,000 new claims come in just last week-who will process them? The banks forgiving loans payments was simply a request, and many doing it. I'm looking at the long game. Whatever happens, people are going to have to get back to their lives. The long term impact of having all medical appointments cancelled, all medical tests cancelled etc. may end up killing more than this disease. In my province, (which has the highest number of senior citizens per capita) we've had one death, and that gentleman was, sad to say, very ill in the first place. How much damage will these cancellations cause? I'm one of the people who is at very high risk from this virus ( I take immunosupressants and have a couple of autoimmune diseases including systemic sclerosis), but all these cancellations will hurt me more. I'm just one person, but I know I am not alone in this. It could be getting to a point where the cure is worse than the disease. This flying by the seat of our pants isn't acceptable. It's a respiratory virus-governments must have seen this coming down the pike.
elaine567 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, littleblackheart said: Boris Johnson has made so many u-turns on this he must be spinning on himself. This policy of "We're not gong to do X" then two days later "We are going to do X" doesn't work. He comes across a soft touch and the die-hards are just ignoring him. Please don't socialise.. Please don't go and see your mother. Please stay at home. Please self isolate. Please employ social distancing. Doesn't work. Macron gave the French a big sharp slap on the face. The French sobered up pretty quick. Boris needs to do the same NOW, right now. It is no good saying we are weeks behind these other nations and then not learning from it. Viruses don't care, every social situation the "stupid humans" engage in, are golden opportunities for viruses. 2
littleblackheart Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, elaine567 said: Macron gave the French a big sharp slap on the face. The French sobered up pretty quick They haven't sobered up as quickly as they should, tbh. There are now talks in France of going the way of China and have strict quarantine put in place with the police delivering food to households because so many people are still in denial. This thing is obviously everywhere, it's clear as day. Edited March 22, 2020 by littleblackheart 1
littleblackheart Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) Quote The small town of Vò, in northern Italy, where the first coronavirus death occurred in the country, has become a case study that demonstrates how scientists might neutralise the spread of Covid-19. A scientific study, rolled out by the University of Padua, with the help of the Veneto Region and the Red Cross, consisted of testing all 3,300 inhabitants of the town, including asymptomatic people. The goal was to study the natural history of the virus, the transmission dynamics and the categories at risk. The researchers explained they had tested the inhabitants twice and that the study led to the discovery of the decisive role in the spread of the coronavirus epidemic of asymptomatic people. Article from The Guardian dated 20 March 2020 entitled 'Scientists say mass tests in Italian town have halted Covid-19 there'. This study makes sense 100%. UK's herd immunity (with no testing) that was prevalent until last week is a ticking time-bomb. Edited March 22, 2020 by littleblackheart 1
pepperbird Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 Almost all the cases here are travel related, or found in people who knew someone who travelled. The simplest "cure" would have been to mandate that people not take those March break vacations and expect to be allowed to return. That didn't happen. Now we are scrambling to try and repatriate people who chose to travel. There's even been an arrest of someone in Quebec who was supposed to self isolate and went out for a walk. Just a walk, no one around. Not going in anywhere.
amaysngrace Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 Self isolate means don’t go outside your home, even for a walk. 1
Philosopher Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 3 hours ago, elaine567 said: This policy of "We're not gong to do X" then two days later "We are going to do X" doesn't work. He comes across a soft touch and the die-hards are just ignoring him. Please don't socialise.. Please don't go and see your mother. Please stay at home. Please self isolate. Please employ social distancing. Doesn't work. Macron gave the French a big sharp slap on the face. The French sobered up pretty quick. Boris needs to do the same NOW, right now. It is no good saying we are weeks behind these other nations and then not learning from it. Viruses don't care, every social situation the "stupid humans" engage in, are golden opportunities for viruses. I agree what Boris Johnson says does not sound very authoritative. From what I heard today Nicola Sturgeon, the head of the Scottish Government and Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London speeches have both been a lot more forceful and gets the message across far more than what Boris has said so far. Given the situation the UK is in, particularly in London, I do reckon they will have to toughen up the message and response very soon, probably either today or tomorrow.
justwhoiam Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 The trend is the same and numbers started stabilizing in China after 35 days since first reported death. But their first reported death was on Jan 22, but we all know their deaths started in November. So they didn't do so much better. These are facts.
sothereiwas Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Libby1 said: You have vats of sanitiser at home? Every year when school starts I go to Costco and get two of the 2x1 liter packs, give one to whoever the new teacher is and open one for home. So yeah, we have about 90% of 2 liters of the stuff around the house. We mostly use it to refill the little bottles since we have soap and water (4 sinks around the house for pity sakes) here but the extra action my old personal bottle has been getting was finally too much. The silicone travel bottle seems nice, even has a molded in suction cup on the side just in case you want to stick it to something I guess.
sothereiwas Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, amaysngrace said: Self isolate means don’t go outside your home, even for a walk. I'm not certain the phrase has been around long enough to have a hard and fast legal definition. Most people seem to be treating it as just stay away from others. If it means the same as self quarantine, it's redundant isn't it?
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