Ruby Slippers Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) Yes, he agreed with my diagnosis that he has at least mild OCD and anxiety, and this has definitely put him on edge. But that's no excuse, no reason for me to be his emotional punching bag. I'm dealing with my own stress over it all. While you're giving your girlfriend a hug and a cookie, he was giving me a bunch of negativity and BS. I don't deserve that. I'm better off alone than suffering through that. I've suggested counseling to him before, but I'm not dragging him there. Edited March 21, 2020 by Ruby Slippers
NuevoYorko Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 10 hours ago, pepperbird said: What's the long game here? I understand the quarantines, etc., but are they sustainable? what is the long term plan? No long term plan. We are all learning as we go along and mostly in survival mode. If you're in the US you will know there are states completely under shelter-in-place, while other states have a governor encouraging residents to go to restaurants. Simultaneously. Have you recently come around to believing that this is actually a serious problem rather than a conspiracy or media hype? 1
suladas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, Beendaredonedat said: Our Prime Minister hasn't ruled out a Federal State of Emergency which would mean he would mandate and total shutdown and stay in except for essential outings. That means the whole country. We are very civilized here and wouldn't consider it not being in a democracy but rather something to help us all. There would, I imagine very little to none, civil unrest. Be a lot different out West, I and everyone i've talked to has clearly said it will be a cold day in hell before the government tells me I can't leave my house if I want to. No it doesn't mean business as usual and interacting with people and potentially spreading this around. But i've got a business to run, and I don't need to be anywhere close to people to do so, or even some days at my shop doing repairs/maintenance on my equipment, unless I get symptoms I won't be stopping regardless of what the government tries to tell me. It would not be wise for them to do that at all.
NuevoYorko Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Redhead14 said: This particular gift of nature started in China so it was a message for them, not the entire world and they intentionally re-gifted it . . . Maybe Nature does not observe national boundaries. Most countries of the world have stepped valiantly up to the plate to wreck the earth, even if their populations do not eat bats or whatever. 1
suladas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, BaileyB said: Agree BTDT. I’m also Canadian, our public health officials have done a remarkable job in what is a very difficult circumstance. There are always exceptions, but my experience has been that people and employers have been quick to follow the directions of public health. It’s been remarkable to witness. Businesses closed at great personal hardship before they were required to do so because it was the “socially responsible thing to do.” People are staying home, working from home. It’s something I never could have imagined. I disagree. The slow response is the exact reason why we have any cases in Canada. They should have shut down the borders the second it started in China and anyone wanting in mandatory quarantine until 100% sure they don't have it, otherwise they can stay where they are. If they did that it would be business as usual in Canada except for a few travelers instead of the whole country. 1
Beendaredonedat Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, suladas said: Be a lot different out West, I and everyone i've talked to has clearly said it will be a cold day in hell before the government tells me I can't leave my house if I want to. No it doesn't mean business as usual and interacting with people and potentially spreading this around. But i've got a business to run, and I don't need to be anywhere close to people to do so, or even some days at my shop doing repairs/maintenance on my equipment, unless I get symptoms I won't be stopping regardless of what the government tries to tell me. It would not be wise for them to do that at all. Well, you do you is all I can say. As long as you stay "out West" you won't be polluting the air I have to breath. Just stay away from your loved ones if you're going to ignore what everyone else is trying to accomplish. Good luck and be safe. Edited March 21, 2020 by Beendaredonedat typo
sothereiwas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 There are a lot of things that are going to be exempt from the shelter order, such as construction, so I hear. I've got a guy coming over next week, I don't see how him working in the shop rather than being in his own home is a significant risk, and let's face it, killing the economy has a human cost associated with it as well.
suladas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Beendaredonedat said: Well, you do you is all I can say. As long as you stay "our West" you won't be polluting the air I have to breath. Just stay away from your loved ones if you're going to ignore what everyone else is trying to accomplish. Good luck and be safe. How is it polluting the air because i'm not staying in my house? I didn't say around others. My shop doing maintenance means me only, no one else anywhere close. And if i'm working it's running equipment, the only risk is me infecting my equipment, or it infecting me.
justwhoiam Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, suladas said: I and everyone i've talked to has clearly said it will be a cold day in hell before the government tells me I can't leave my house if I want to. That should come with the awareness that institutions might decide to just let you go (and by that I mean: should you need hospitalization, you're gonna die naturally wherever you are). People who voluntarily expose themselves to the risk need to take the hard consequences coming from it. Being denied health care. Edited March 21, 2020 by justwhoiam 1
Beendaredonedat Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, suladas said: How is it polluting the air because i'm not staying in my house? I didn't say around others. My shop doing maintenance means me only, no one else anywhere close. And if i'm working it's running equipment, the only risk is me infecting my equipment, or it infecting me. Is your shop attached to your home?
suladas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, sothereiwas said: There are a lot of things that are going to be exempt from the shelter order, such as construction, so I hear. I've got a guy coming over next week, I don't see how him working in the shop rather than being in his own home is a significant risk, and let's face it, killing the economy has a human cost associated with it as well. Exactly. A lot of construction companies cannot afford to shut down or they will be bankrupt, and our government sure isn't going to do anything to help them. It can only last a few weeks to a month at best before too many people will be forced to go back to work or will be in financial ruin they will never recover from. Is it better to have more die from the virus, or suicide from financial ruin? Not a good decision either way.
suladas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Beendaredonedat said: Is your shop attached to your home? No and why would it matter? Last time I checked there is no risk driving 10 minutes down the road. Or a risk breathing the air if no one is within 100's of feet. 2
suladas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, justwhoiam said: That should come with the awareness that institutions might decide to just let you go (and by that I mean: should you need hospitalization, you're gonna die naturally wherever you are). People who voluntarily expose themselves to the risk needs to take the hard consequences coming from it. Being denied health care. I'm not the least bit concerned about my own health with this thing, the reason i'm being careful is not wanting to get it and pass it to others without knowing. At my age and healthy, there is 100 other things more likely to die from that i'm not worried about either. There is a 0% chance of getting it from going to my shop, or from working at jobsites. I don't know how you think this is spread, but it needs to be from close contact with others, or touching the same surfaces. If i'm the only one touching everything, and no one is let's say within 50' of me do you actually think there is any chance of getting it? If there was, everyone in the world would already have it. 1 1
sothereiwas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 1 minute ago, suladas said: If i'm the only one touching everything, and no one is let's say within 50' of me do you actually think there is any chance of getting it? There's literally more danger in opening my mailbox than having the contractor come next week.
littleblackheart Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 My parents got a plumber to come over and fix a water leak for them yesterday (that's on the French/Swiss border, where there's an almost complete lockdown). The guy, kept his distance, did what he had to do and left. No more coffee and biscuits and a little chat. My mum antibacterialised everything he layed his hands on the second he left the door. This may well be how we'll have to interact with relative strangers for the next few weeks.
sothereiwas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 I've been assuming that bleach would be the way to clean surfaces - was I wrong?
littleblackheart Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 My mum used bleach. You can use bleach but your usual antibacterial household disinfectant is fine too, or even soap and water (I asked). I've been using my antibacterial spray everywhere, and wiping door handles / phones with antibacterial wipes.
Woggle Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Ruby Slippers said: Yes, he agreed with my diagnosis that he has at least mild OCD and anxiety, and this has definitely put him on edge. But that's no excuse, no reason for me to be his emotional punching bag. I'm dealing with my own stress over it all. While you're giving your girlfriend a hug and a cookie, he was giving me a bunch of negativity and BS. I don't deserve that. I'm better off alone than suffering through that. I've suggested counseling to him before, but I'm not dragging him there. You are better off without him. My wife and I are each other's support and shoulder to lean during this and that is how it should be. 1 1
basil67 Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: I've been assuming that bleach would be the way to clean surfaces - was I wrong? I would opt for a soapy sponge. Bleach could seriously damage your surfaces, furnishings and anything it may splash on. That said, it works a treat on stainless steel. If you really want something stronger than soap, I'd use alcohol - like metholated spirits. Edited March 21, 2020 by basil67 2
Ruby Slippers Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Woggle said: You are better off without him. My wife and I are each other's support and shoulder to lean during this and that is how it should be. My thoughts exactly. A good man protects and cares for his woman during tough times. Mine was trying to tear me down. What a disappointment. 1
justwhoiam Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, suladas said: There is a 0% chance of getting it from going to my shop, or from working at jobsites. If it spreads abnormally, there might be a time when, if anything even normally small happens to you, it could be deadly. Using and handling tools, power supply, knives, cutters, etc. Risk is not 0%. Rest assured. My father was once cutting a tree and accidentally cut one of his fingers. They were able to reattach it. Now here? High risk of complications (long wait for ambulance, disrupted health care, stressed out hospital staff working 12+ hour shifts in ICUs, etc.). And on top of that, still a 0.9% chance of being infected and dying. I'm not contrary to you working in your shop, but against the logic of you insisting on the fact that you have 0% risk. Edited March 21, 2020 by justwhoiam 1
Beendaredonedat Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) No and why would it matter? Last time I checked there is no risk driving 10 minutes down the road. Or a risk breathing the air if no one is within 100's of feet. I agree that that's not a risk other than getting arrested if there is marshal law in place. I doubt it will come to that, though they are ticketing people in some places where its been declared an emergency. Edited March 21, 2020 by Beendaredonedat
amaysngrace Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) In my state you’ll get slapped with a disorderly person charge for being out past curfew, which is 8 pm I’m totally fine with that. I want this gone as soon as possible. Edited March 22, 2020 by amaysngrace 1
Woggle Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 It seems like Jersey finally went into lockdown which is good. 1
amaysngrace Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Woggle said: It seems like Jersey finally went into lockdown which is good. Yes we did and it’s a very good thing imo. If people can’t act on their own then someone needs to tell them how to act. It’s a shame that it has to come to that but some people are idiots. I don’t want to leave it up to them to do things their own way.
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