Ruby Slippers Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) It's totally natural to be concerned and feel emotional right now. My ex that I broke up with last weekend got in touch and asked if I want to get together. I let him call me, but he doesn't seem to get how damaging his verbal abuse is, so I'm keeping my distance. But I did let him know he can get in touch if he needs anything during this strange time. He moved here for work and doesn't have any family or real friends here. It doesn't feel right to shut him out completely during this time. Sounds like he's doing ok, throwing himself into his fitness routine, which is a healthy way to cope. I also emailed my ex from a year ago, as a friend. In spite of our differences, he was always very sweet and loving. I felt compelled to connect and offer a little emotional support. Sounds like he still has strong feelings, so I'll probably keep it to email only. But it felt good to connect in a friendly way. I'm sure that anything we can do to show a little extra TLC right now helps. Edited March 21, 2020 by Ruby Slippers
Redhead14 Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, justwhoiam said: Hard to say as this is kind of unprecedented in our modern times. Getting rid of contagion. And think at least July, maybe August. Before is hardly possible. And the more people continue to lead their normal life, the more they are ruining it for all of us. And the longer this situation will last. Hypothetically, If any of us isolated themselves for 24 days, adding a week for good measure, so that any surfaces outside stops being infected, in a month we'd be out of it. But it'd be like an apocalypse. Not sure how you'd count the deaths. You'd have to abandon hospitals, old people's homes, psychiatric wards, and orphanages. And maybe many new born babies would die. We are, yet again, divided as a country here in the US. There is the camp of people who think this is being blown way out of proportion and refusing to adhere to the protocols and the other camp gets it completely and is willing to do whatever it takes. The government needs to do what it should do and that is govern and make it a national mandate to close it all down. Is that a tough decision, yeah. But, that is what comes with the job. Lots of us, as individuals are making some tough decisions already. Edited March 21, 2020 by Redhead14 1
sothereiwas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Redhead14 said: It's likely though that most of the people who are doing this, i.e. eating bats, etc. are doing it out of desperation. That's also the fault of their government. 1
sothereiwas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Redhead14 said: It's not about looking for someone to blame per se, it's about addressing the problem so that this kind of thing doesn't keep happening. This ^^^^^ 1
sothereiwas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Piddy said: I believe he also said he thinks these older malaria drugs will work. Just on his hunch. https://www.axios.com/scoop-bayer-to-donate-potential-coronavirus-drug-to-us-cc8c1a5a-6a14-4e36-8b07-07eccf4eff36.html https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0 https://raymondjames.bluematrix.com/docs/pdf/ca6aa508-123d-4204-bbe3-750026ecf1b6.pdf?pdf Yeah, just a hunch.
amaysngrace Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 That’s how I feel about my governor Phil Murphy. I think he’s doing a fantastic job handling all this. He’s been brainstorming with Cuomo and it’s apparent. 2
BaileyB Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, elaine567 said: If ICUs are full of Covid-19 patients, then where does anyone else who may need mechanical ventilation go? Or any other kind of medical intervention, unfortunately. Heart attack, cancer, any number of other health concerns... Difficult to get the treatment you need when the health system is overwhelmed. And, at significant risk of exposure to those who are most vulnerable. 3
nospam99 Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) @piddy. I actually LIVE in NY and Cuomo is failing as usual. a) He was weeks late shutting things down. I, a 'mere' citizen, was two weeks ahead of him noticing ill-advised assemblies of dozens of people, specifically for civil service testing. When I tried to question that through my 'representatives' (Cuomo's Democratic party controls both the Assembly and the Senate) I was ignored. There is no way to contact the governor's office directly and the state agencies i.e. civil service employees supposed to be 'working for the taxpayers' do not respond to citizens with anything other than the usual 'how do I fill out a form' question. b) his blanket isolation orders do not take into account the VAST differences within the state of where the virus has actually hit (NYC and immediate suburbs) as opposed to where it can be contained by isolating the small number of infected individuals. Cuomo is no better nor worse than Trump in attacking a swarm of flies with a rocket launcher and parroting medical and health care assertions which he clearing doesn't understand. He does nevertheless out shine Trump by (so far) avoiding dumb-ass inaccuracies. Edited March 21, 2020 by nospam99
justwhoiam Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 7 hours ago, littleblackheart said: It really doesn't matter where it came from. It does matter. And that's something that will need to be addressed seriously. Human invasion of natural ecosystems, the continuous hunting of wild animals for nutrition, and other important issues will have to be regulated more efficiently and globally. 1
justwhoiam Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 6 hours ago, elaine567 said: China didn't cause this, globalisation caused this. Unless "we" learn the lesson to "stay at home", then pandemics will become the norm. That's partially true. There is a continuous killing of wild animals for human consumption in China and that's how the virus entered the human body. Bats didn't bite anyone... It's a voluntary choice and a habit that needs to stop. But Chinese government in the past allowed its population to eat whatever because they had a famine, so anything went. Now, that caused SARS, Covid 19 and other diseases, brought its population to one billion and now they don't have the 1 child restriction anymore... That is a threat for the world population. Deforastation poses the same problems and risks. Any mass human intervention that changes our ecosystem. We should just eat safe food.
littleblackheart Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, justwhoiam said: It does matter. And that's something that will need to be addressed seriously. Human invasion of natural ecosystems, the continuous hunting of wild animals for nutrition, and other important issues will have to be regulated more efficiently and globally. For this yes, I meant in terms of apportioning blame. China is not a democracy anyway, so singling it out makes no sense. I've seen reports of anti-Asian abuse and Chinese people being shunned; that's unhelpful, but it's also a sign of our times that we like pointing fingers and deflecting. Virus are gonna virus anyway ...
NuevoYorko Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 On 3/20/2020 at 5:24 AM, littleblackheart said: Imagine being responsible for passing it on to an at risk person unwittingly? It's not just about whoever gets it, it's how much danger you are putting other people. My friend's son is a young healthy professional adult living in San Francisco; he was recently diagnosed. (For the record, they would not give him a test. He was diagnosed by his symptoms and self quarantined with his girlfriend.) He's pretty much over it and it was not pleasant, but also not a horrifying experience as far as feeling sick goes. He's struggling a lot with thoughts of how many people he exposed via public transportation and working in an office. Lots of guilt and he didn't even do a thing wrong. 1
sothereiwas Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, justwhoiam said: That's partially true. There is a continuous killing of wild animals for human consumption in China .... Wild food is consumed all over the world safely, it's not just the source it's the entire way the process is done that's an issue. 17 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: For this yes, I meant in terms of apportioning blame. Without blame things won't change to help reduce the incidence of this sort of horse pucky.
Robert Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 Let's all remember that this is NOT the Political forum and make your posts appropriate to the current events forum this thread is placed. Proselytization in this thread is off topic and just not helpful to people posting here. Thanks
Author gaius Posted March 21, 2020 Author Posted March 21, 2020 So meanwhile at the Life Care Center in Washington State, the nursing home that was infected with Covid, around 30% of the total residency has passed away from the virus so far. But it's not all bad news. Some residents are starting to recover. And it's shining a light on some remarkable people who have lived noteworthy lives, that are usually not given as much respect as they deserve because they're old. Take Geneva Wood for example. A former maternity nurse who worked nights through school to get a masters degree, while raising 5 children. She was so sick her family dressed up in full PPE to go say their goodbyes but she surprised everyone and beat the virus. https://www.today.com/health/90-year-old-woman-almost-died-covid-19-recovering-t176531 1
littleblackheart Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, NuevoYorko said: My friend's son is a young healthy professional adult living in San Francisco; he was recently diagnosed. (For the record, they would not give him a test. He was diagnosed by his symptoms and self quarantined with his girlfriend.) He's pretty much over it and it was not pleasant, but also not a horrifying experience as far as feeling sick goes. He's struggling a lot with thoughts of how many people he exposed via public transportation and working in an office. Lots of guilt and he didn't even do a thing wrong. So glad you posted that, thank you. Same with my son - he was not great around the time he got it (he recently had his MMR shot) but he's an otherwise fairly healthy, if skinny 13yo. He had texbook symptoms, was diagnosed by medical professionals but didn't get tested because his symptoms were not serious enough (a good thing, I'm not complaining). He felt really awful for 3 days (high temp, burning chest, headache, literally non-stop coughing) but is mostly fine now thankfully. His isolation time is coming to an end (his sister and I have another week of quarantine) and he has decided he does not want to go out for fear of affecting us or anyone. He's worried about having affected teachers or his classmates at school. He probably did, to be frank. That's most likely where he got it too. But as you say they didn't do anything wrong. I myself became paranoid about his situation not being taken seriously because of the lack of testing (his father and a couple of other parents dismissed it out of hands) but having dr friends helped deal with that. In any event, it is completely unrealistic to think the number of confirmed cases is reliable, and the more come forward the better because it reduces the risks of everyone else getting it. 3
justwhoiam Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Redhead14 said: We are, yet again, divided as a country here in the US. There is the camp of people who think this is being blown way out of proportion and refusing to adhere to the protocols and the other camp gets it completely and is willing to do whatever it takes. The government needs to do what it should do and that is govern and make it a national mandate to close it all down. Is that a tough decision, yeah. But, that is what comes with the job. Lots of us, as individuals are making some tough decisions already. It's a basic behavioral pattern. Remember the movie Day After Tomorrow? When half the people decided to venture outside the library, even though the guy tried to dissuade them not to? That's how it goes. You'll always have a part of population going against the tide just because. Not trusting anyone. The Chinese have a different system. They don't have democracy. They can wall up your entrance door and let you starve inside. Or worse. We can't go down that route. Or maybe we will. In that case, it might be war. 2
justwhoiam Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 4 hours ago, beatcuff said: those that are dying were either old or compromised. 0.9% of people dying were young and healthy people. Bad luck, uh? Out of 10,000 death, that'd mean 90 people. 180 for 20,000 deaths. But well... you know what? The virus can get more aggressive as it's spreading around, and that 0.9% could be 2%, doubling the numbers. You just need to hope you're not gonna be in the fatality count. And oh, it's quite random.
BaileyB Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 Based on recent stats from my province, the highest incidence is actually in the younger demographic. I was surprised by that. We are a bit behind the rest of the world - a little more time to plan - and many seniors have gone into hiding... Hopefully, our numbers don’t grow too much.
Happy Lemming Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Ruby Slippers said: My ex that I broke up with last weekend got in touch and asked if I want to get together. Huh?? I'm confused, you broke up again?? 1
Beendaredonedat Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 Our Prime Minister hasn't ruled out a Federal State of Emergency which would mean he would mandate and total shutdown and stay in except for essential outings. That means the whole country. We are very civilized here and wouldn't consider it not being in a democracy but rather something to help us all. There would, I imagine very little to none, civil unrest. 3
Ruby Slippers Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Happy Lemming said: Huh?? I'm confused, you broke up again?? Yes, I wrote about it on here a little. Last weekend he subjected me to another episode of verbal abuse - insults and name calling - so I asked him to leave. He's trying to get back together, but it's not looking good. He doesn't seem to have any understanding of how offensive and destructive his behavior is. I can't and won't work with that. It's sad, but I'm calm. This is what dating is for, to figure out if the person is right for you or not.
BaileyB Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) Agree BTDT. I’m also Canadian, our public health officials have done a remarkable job in what is a very difficult circumstance. There are always exceptions, but my experience has been that people and employers have been quick to follow the directions of public health. It’s been remarkable to witness. Businesses closed at great personal hardship before they were required to do so because it was the “socially responsible thing to do.” People are staying home, working from home. It’s something I never could have imagined. Edited March 21, 2020 by BaileyB 1
Happy Lemming Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ruby Slippers said: ...insults and name calling - so I asked him to leave. Not that it is an excuse, but this Covid-19 virus is making people edgy, scared and unstable. My girlfriend was crying, yesterday. Nothing was wrong, she was just scared and frustrated. Other than giving her a hug and a cookie, I couldn't fix this or change the situation. She cries when she is scared, perhaps your ex-boyfriend lashes out when he is scared. I throw myself into physical work (and cooking)... I've been painting for 2 days to keep my mind off of the whole thing. Just my opinion here, but maybe he doesn't know a constructive way to show his fear, some men don't.
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