Novel Coronavirus COVID-19

[Beendaredonedat]

2 hours ago, sothereiwas said:

Seriously, everyone take a breath and get a grip. If this is a civilization ending event then we've really done a poor job of maintaining the civilization we were gifted by our grandparents. Let's do better. I'm taking the wife for her dentist appointment soon, everyone should calm down and get on with their life. 

Center your chi or whatever, this isn't a forever thing. 

They've done the right thing here and the Royal College of Dental Surgeons (the governing body for dentists)ordered that ALL dental appointments be cancelled and ceased throughout the province except for emergencies.  

[justwhoiam]

@pepperbird

Too many things to consider... Lombardy, the most affected region in Italy, has twice the population of Singapore. And a national population 10x that of Singapore. Singapore's population is less than that of New York City. Also, the number of people over 65 in Lombardy is 300% higher than that of Singapore.

Now, add to the picture that Italy wasn't hit by SARS nor MERS. We are quite virgins for coronavirus, like most of the Western population, I guess. Meanwhile, Singapore had hundreds of cases. And last but not least, mutation in this Covid 19 seems very quick, so strains and clusters may differ in different countries.

So it's very difficult to compare populations' response to a new virus like this.

Edited March 19, 2020 by justwhoiam

[BC1980]

I escaped the house today and went for a walk on one of the trails around here. I only encountered two other people. When I was driving back home, I went past Chick-fil-A, and the line was wrapped around the building. I just made a chocolate cake from some mix I had in the pantry. Other than that, I've been reading. 
 

We had our first death in the state from coronavirus today. My sister works at a different hospital than me, and they had a big meeting yesterday. They don't have enough PPE and are trying to reach out to veterinarians, ect. to get some N95 masks. I'm sure it's the same for my hospital, but I'm out of the loop because I'm on a stretch where I have 5 days off. I do have an N95 at home that I will take up there Saturday in case the needs arises. Last weekend, I talked to one of the nurses who took care of a coronavirus patient at our hospital, and he said every person was limited to one mask. That's against everything we were ever taught about PPE, but here we are. 

[BC1980]

43 minutes ago, justwhoiam said:

@pepperbird

Too many things to consider... Lombardy, the most affected region in Italy, has twice the population of Singapore. And a national population 10x that of Singapore. Singapore's population is less than that of New York City. Also, the number of people over 65 in Lombardy is 300% higher than that of Singapore.

Now, add to the picture that Italy wasn't hit by SARS nor MERS. We are quite virgins for coronavirus, like most of the Western population, I guess. Meanwhile, Singapore had hundreds of cases. And last but not least, mutation in this Covid 19 seems very quick, so strains and clusters may differ in different countries.

So it's very difficult to compare populations' response to a new virus like this.

Something else I've been thinking about is how sick our population is compared to other countries. We have a lot of people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s with high blood pressure, diabetes, asthma, ect. 

[Ruby Slippers]

24 minutes ago, BC1980 said:

Something else I've been thinking about is how sick our population is compared to other countries. We have a lot of people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s with high blood pressure, diabetes, asthma, ect. 

Yes. I've taken two brief road trips over the past month, got out of my normal element of mostly fit, active professional people. It was staggering to see the reality of how many obese, overweight, and generally unhealthy-looking people there are in the U.S. So many people appeared in pain just getting around normally. I felt sorry for them, and fortunate to be relatively healthy.

[lana-banana]

29 minutes ago, BC1980 said:

Something else I've been thinking about is how sick our population is compared to other countries. We have a lot of people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s with high blood pressure, diabetes, asthma, ect. 

It's almost like people who can't afford even the most rudimentary health care have poor health outcomes.

[basil67]

I see what you did there @lana-banana 

 

[basil67]

5 hours ago, Woggle said:

If Trump doesn't get this under control by November neither him nor any other candidate will have a country to run. I am really glad my uncle and niece got out of NYC before the infection really started spreading.

I never thought I'd be defending Trump, but this is bigger than one leader and extremely complicated.   No matter which choice is made to try and keep a lid on this, there will be poor outcomes for different people. 

[sothereiwas]

11 minutes ago, basil67 said:

I see what you did there @lana-banana 

 

Because health care expense causes high blood pressure and diabetes ...

[Azincourt]

22 minutes ago, Ruby Slippers said:

Yes. I've taken two brief road trips over the past month, got out of my normal element of mostly fit, active professional people. It was staggering to see the reality of how many obese, overweight, and generally unhealthy-looking people there are in the U.S. So many people appeared in pain just getting around normally. I felt sorry for them, and fortunate to be relatively healthy.

Why would you feel bad for them? They're like that because they want to be.  I feel bad for the people who were born with deformities, I feel bad for people who die young or have their parents die young. I feel bad for those who are born in India, China, the Middle-East, South America and Africa. 

I wish every man and every woman could be born and raised in the Germanic Countries. They're AMAZING.

But I don't feel bad for lazy people.

Unless we're talking about an underlying medical condition that causes them to be overweight/obese, there's no reason to be that way, considering how easy it is to be fit and athletic. Eat a mediterranean diet, don't drink soda, don't eat fast food,  use the legs they were born with instead of treating their car like it's a third arm, BOOM, 180lbs 10% body fat without going to the gym.

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COVID-19 kills 1 Iranian every 10 minutes, About 50 Iranians are contracting Coronavirus every hour, says Health Ministry spokesperson

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An Iranian health official announced on Thursday that one person in the nation is dying from coronavirus every 10 minutes. 

Health ministry spokesman Kianush Jahanpur tweeted the statistic as infections and the death toll continue to rise in Iran, which has been the hardest-hit nation in the Middle East. 

 

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“Based on our information, every 10 minutes one person dies from the coronavirus and some 50 people become infected with the virus every hour in Iran,” Kianush Jahanpur said, according to a translation

 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Azincourt

[Azincourt]

7 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

Because health care expense causes high blood pressure and diabetes ...

Then maybe it's about time people start doing something about fixing the glorified prostitution that the healthcare system is in the states?  You know how much I spend on healthcare?

zero.

Do you know how much I pay for my healthcare insurance?

zero.

Socialist European Countries for the win

But hey, we got hundreds and hundreds of trillions for the military budget, so who cares amirite

Edited March 19, 2020 by Azincourt

[Ellener]

55 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

Because health care expense causes high blood pressure and diabetes ...

My dr wrote my prescriptions after a phone call- for 90 days not 30 too; ie waived her profit. Thankful for small acts of kindness.

I have both hypertension and diabetes, pretty much under control now with diet/exercise and was planning to come off the meds but- it's not a good time. I'll do my a1c at home on the 24 th and I'm taking BP every day, it has crept up a bit this week ( wonder why?! )

 

[sothereiwas]

8 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

Then maybe it's about time people ....

I should have used those /s tags

[Ellener]

56 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

I feel bad for those who are born in India, China, the Middle-East, South America and Africa.

I'm sure some of them might feel bad for you! What happened to your positivity of earlier- healthfulness includes the mind as well as the body...

Be well!!

[Azincourt]

4 minutes ago, sothereiwas said:

I should have used those /s tags

oh, I know you were being sarcastic. It just amazes me how people let things be as they are more interested in their gun rights than they are in actually not throwing their entire family into crushing debt because they can't even afford going to the doctor 3 times a year, ain't even talking about surgeries, medication, like insuline that costs tens of thousands a month and it's pratically free in Europe.

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I'm sure some of them might feel bad for you! What happened to your positivity of earlier- healthfulness includes the mind as well as the body...

Yeah, they feel bad for me like I feel bad for Prince William.

Hard to stay positive when things are only getting worse around the world with the corona virus.

Edited March 19, 2020 by Azincourt

[justwhoiam]

39 minutes ago, BC1980 said:

Something else I've been thinking about is how sick our population is compared to other countries. We have a lot of people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s with high blood pressure, diabetes, asthma, ect. 

Probability of dying from the 4 major NCDs aka chronic diseases (cardiovascular diseases including heart attacks and stroke, cancers, chronic respiratory diseases including chronic obstructive pulmonary disease/asthma, and diabetes), for some perspective:

Canada             9.8%
China              17.0%
France            10.6%
Germany        12.1%
Haiti                26.5%
Iceland             9.1%
Indonesia      26.4%
Italy                  9.5%
Kenya             13.4%
Maldives        13.4%
Mexico           15.7%
Russia             25.4%
Sierra Leone 30.5%
South Africa  26.2%
Spain                9.9%
Sweden            9.1%
Switzerland     8.6%
UK                   10.9%
USA                 14.6%

Lowest obesity rates in Europe, in alphabetical order: Austria, Denmark, Italy, Slovakia, Sweden and Switzerland. Americas: none.

[Azincourt]

Those physical conditions are caused by obesity.

America is young. The cities were built for cars, everyone has one, literally teenagers can get a driver's license and drive around when they're not even old enough to drink(in several European Countries).

It's a car culture, you aren't a real man if you don't have a car.

Europe is old. 

I've held bricks in my hands older than the USA by thousands of years, the cities are small, hard for cars to move around, public transportation is much better than the one in the US, but people enjoy walking, play soccer, go to the beach, and they avoid garbage food, making it possible for them to be healthy and aesthetic without having to go to the gym.

I still fall off my chair laughing when I remember being called skinny in America for being 180lbs at 6 feet tall

[gaius]

10 hours ago, serial muse said:

Considering that the virus has impacted China's own economy so intensely that it has caused the country's first economic downturn since the Cultural Revolution in the 1970s, that would be quite the Pyrrhic victory for China. I posted about this upthread. In other words, this suspicion just makes no sense. Shaking it off is a good idea. 

I also highly doubt that China ever expected the west to handle this so poorly.

They handed us a very small problem, along with an effective blueprint on how to deal with it, and we refused against all sense to restrict travel and enforce mandatory quarantines. And now we've turned something that could have been squashed with a few months effort into an economy busting, potentially multi-year problem.

Make no mistake, we did this to ourselves.

[simpycurious]

On 3/14/2020 at 8:37 PM, princessaurora said:

Schools are close for 4 weeks all across La. We just got our first confimred death here and they were only 58. Of course, we hear the usual excuse about underlying health conditions, but at that age who the heck doesn't have at least one of those? Meanwhile, a-holes are partying in New Orleans and hugging and kissing all over each other like they're on extended spring break. These jerks will be the ones to spread the virus further. They need to close down the bars and clubs for this to truly be effective. 

And now Coach Payton has the coronavirus. 

[princessaurora]

8 minutes ago, simpycurious said:

And now Coach Payton has the coronavirus. 

I saw that a little while ago. At least he seems to be handling it ok. That's comforting because its been nothing but doom and gloom with all the other cases we've heard about. A 44 yr old died of it earlier today. They finally closed down all the bars and restaurants. Hopefully that will help slow the spread. 

[simpycurious]

7 minutes ago, princessaurora said:

I saw that a little while ago. At least he seems to be handling it ok. That's comforting because its been nothing but doom and gloom with all the other cases we've heard about. A 44 yr old died of it earlier today. They finally closed down all the bars and restaurants. Hopefully that will help slow the spread. 

They are still letting the spring breakers on the beaches of the Gulf Coast which is amazing.  I bet they will close the beaches soon (some are already closed).  Hope you 

are staying safe Princess

[gaius]

8 hours ago, Fletch Lives said:

 - it's not airborne.

On a side note, times may change.

Decades ago they used to have home milk delivery. MacArthur dairy used to do it in my neighborhood when I was a kid. Some families used to get milk delivered to their door everyday. I wonder if that will happen again?

Was that some kind of attempt at humor or do you really not know the virus lives in the air? It's hard to tell online you know, especially when there's no obvious joke or punchline.

Just in case though, yeah, it lives in the air.

[sothereiwas]

12 minutes ago, gaius said:

Was that some kind of attempt at humor or do you really not know the virus lives in the air? It's hard to tell online you know, especially when there's no obvious joke or punchline.

Just in case though, yeah, it lives in the air.

"The weight of the evidence suggests that the new coronavirus can exist as an aerosol — a physics term meaning a liquid or solid (the virus) suspended in a gas (like air) — only under very limited conditions, and that this transmission route is not driving the pandemic."

“If it could easily exist as an aerosol, we would be seeing much greater levels of transmission,” said epidemiologist Michael LeVasseur of Drexel University. “And we would be seeing a different pattern in who’s getting infected. With droplet spread, it’s mostly to close contacts. But if a virus easily exists as an aerosol, you could get it from people you share an elevator with.”

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-can-become-aerosol-doesnt-mean-doomed/

 

Apparently depends on what your definition of is is but it's not being transmitted via particles suspended in the air, which is normally what people think of when they call a virus airborne. I guess if an infected person spits in your eye ...

[Ellener]

3 hours ago, Azincourt said:

Those physical conditions are caused by obesity.

I have diabetes and I am my perfect weight!

[Watercolors]

Does anyone know if the stimulus package will actually include mailed or direct deposited checks to people? I don't see how the direct deposit option is possible. I wonder if people who owe on their taxes will not get the stimulus check. $1,000 doesn't seem like much for a one-time check.