sothereiwas Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: It's mad. Herd immunisation on principle can work but 1.we don't enough about the virus 2. There is no vaccine 3. Not enough people are being tested to verify the theory. What's the point of herd immunisation if you don't actually know who has it? 4. This will cause psychological damage long-term. We know how the human immune system works and we know about other similar viruses. It's highly likely that normal people will only get this once. A healthy young person getting it once will also, apparently, translate to a fairly safe way for them to gain immunity. Vaccine for young people is more a nice to have, and tested or not as time goes by and more of the population is composed of recovered ones, being out in public then becomes a safer bet for vulnerable people. As I understand it the theory in places like the UK is that older and otherwise vulnerable folks isolate themselves while the parts of the pop for which it's just a bad cold goes on about life and becomes immune. I'm not saying I agree but I understand the concept.
amaysngrace Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 I haven’t even bought TP, haven’t had a need to yet. I did pick up a few extra boxes of tissues with lotion the other day just in case someone gets sick here but I still don’t understand the TP logic.
littleblackheart Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, sothereiwas said: I'm not saying I agree but I understand the concept. I understand it too; it makes sense on principle. It's just that too many experts have said it was a bad idea for this particular situation, and no one else is following this protocol so it doesn't inspire confidence 2
sothereiwas Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, amaysngrace said: I haven’t even bought TP, haven’t had a need to yet. I did pick up a few extra boxes of tissues with lotion the other day just in case someone gets sick here but I still don’t understand the TP logic. I accidentally ended up with almost 3 Costco bales of TP sometime around the end of last summer so that, coupled with installing auto bidets about the same time, means I'm out of the TP market for a fair bit. Will be wanting some paper towels this week though. Apparently the mania hasn't yet (as of yesterday) included Bounty, so here's hoping. I plan to run over there after my morning telecon and just before Costco opens to see if I can finally get milk and eggs, and a bale of paper towels on the side. Probably bread and maybe a few steaks too. 1
amaysngrace Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 Good luck in your quest! My daughter found chicken the other day and picked up a package of four breasts. My son is the only one who eats it so we should be good!
amaysngrace Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: I am grateful to this forum for allowing me to vent, then peacefully going about my day with my kids like nothing's going on. How does that sound? Whatever you do I hope it’s a good day!
Ellener Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 53 minutes ago, amaysngrace said: I still don’t understand the TP logic. Ever see that scene from 'It's a Wonderful Life': 'it's a run on the bank...'? 1
Ellener Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 My local-est supermarket ran out of everything ( they are pretty disorganised at the best of times! ) so I drove about 4 miles and honestly, things aren't dire, there is enough food ( admittedly not anywhere near the usual selection ) and deliveries are still arriving daily. We've been spoiled for a long time being able to have pretty much anything any time... 1 1
pepperbird Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 16 hours ago, Azincourt said: Yeah, but think about how many millions risk losing their jobs if we let the virus solve the problem for us. the "cure" is worse than the disease. My province has ONE confirmed case ( presumptive cases don't count) out of about 1,000 tests done. ONE. Meanwhile, medical appointments have been cancelled, ORs , diagnostics closed, etc. and for some cases, people have been waiting a year or more. Meanwhile, in Toronto where the disease has been circulating since the end of January-no deaths. Out of a city of how many million who were crammed in like sardines-few relatively few cases, no deaths.
Ellener Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, pepperbird said: the "cure" is worse than the disease. I don't think so, be resilent and calm, it'll be fine. 1
amaysngrace Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 Absolutely we’ve been spoiled. When this is all over people will be itching to spend. Places that pull through are the best places anyway. It's the natural order. 1 1
littleblackheart Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ellener said: We've been spoiled for a long time being able to have pretty much anything any time... Some of us have, yes. Those of us who aren't economically affected and will get away with it with just a bad cough are still spoilt now. No doubt the empty planes and restaurants and all the small business owners are freaking out about more than lack of TP. 1
Ellener Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 59 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: No doubt the empty planes and restaurants and all the small business owners are freaking out about more than lack of TP. I'm a small business, will have no work/income for months. It is what it is. I'm looking into how I can do remote performing work if this goes on for any length of time, thinking about future revenue streams. Preparing new work. I know that supporting people around me, and being in good shape to pick up where I leave off is the way forward, in business confidence and positive energy sells you.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 18 hours ago, Redhead14 said: It "smells" funny to me. It's really strange that entire governments are going so nutz over it when the stats, etc. don't really support this kind of response. Surely, governments aren't being driven by media hype. So what's really spooking them??? it's all how you look at it... if you're going by pure logic, it makes more sense to keep going as usual... the only ones majorly affected would be the elderly and the ones with pre-existing conditions... it might actually improve the economy with a large portion of the elder population or the sick to die off and lowering the financial burden of gov'ts with social programs or individual families taking care of their elderly... but again, we're human beings and that kind of cold logic... well, it isn't us. At least, not yet. Right now, countries that suffer deaths in larger amounts, are OK with it... in terms of adjusting to it... whereas countries like ours, where deaths like this aren't as common, take it with more fear. having said THAT... if you look in the past where we put money into research for the diseases out there... the amount we gave the most to(HIV/Aids) for example, was the least number of people affected and the money we gave the least to (heart disease, etc) was the most number of people affected.... so we kinda follow our hearts or the mood of society at the time, but it doesn't really align with logic. We are humans... we're crazy illogical many times than not. 1
littleblackheart Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, Ellener said: in business confidence and positive energy sells you That, as well as having savings, close family support, and some assets that can mitigate the lack of income... 1
elaine567 Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 @pepperbird your time will come... First UK death 6th March, now we have 71 deaths as of yesterday and they are now predicting 20 000 deaths - best case scenario... 1
Ellener Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 50 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: That, as well as having savings, close family support, and some assets that can mitigate the lack of income... Well my savings took a hit from the Harvey disaster, but I'll survive, I live simply. I work hard when I can. I have one son and last night he said we'll be ok mum, we can live together for a bit get back on our feet etc. That was amazing to see how grown up he is now, how kind and calm. Humbling. 2
Beendaredonedat Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 Well, with far less driving, air planing, cruising, carbon emissions lowered, we are giving the earth a chance to breath cleaner air and perhaps reverse some of the abuse we all have been laying on her for far too long. 9
sothereiwas Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 18 hours ago, Redhead14 said: So what's really spooking them? If they do little, the upside is small to non-existent no matter how severe the situation ends up being, and the potential downside is enormous. . If they do a lot the upside is better either way, and the downside is mitigated. For a politician, overreacting is safer. That's just my thoughts but it seems right.
Azincourt Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: That, as well as having savings, close family support, and some assets that can mitigate the lack of income... Hence why people should save as much money as possible, after the mortgage, utilities bill, food bill and so forth is taken care of. Not gonna lie, I'm breathing pretty easy. I got myself fired from my last job as soon as the corona virus struck the world because I can afford it, as a single man without an ex-wife or kids, I just play it smart and don't waste my money away, but I do feel bad for the people who have kids and pets and responsabilities that I don't have. 1
CautiouslyOptimistic Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, Azincourt said: Hence why people should save as much money as possible, after the mortgage, utilities bill, food bill and so forth is taken care of. Not gonna lie, I'm breathing pretty easy. I got myself fired from my last job as soon as the corona virus struck the world because I can afford it, as a single man without an ex-wife or kids, I just play it smart and don't waste my money away, but I do feel bad for the people who have kids and pets and responsabilities that I don't have. You got yourself fired? Isn't that gonna look bad on your resume? lol The only thing I'm just about out of is dog food because Chewy is really backed up and I did not plan for that. May have to send one of the kids out today for some.
littleblackheart Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: if you're going by pure logic, it makes more sense to keep going as usual... Herd immunity only makes logical sense if you know what you're dealing with in terms of numbers. The only way to do that is to test people; completely pointless if you don't, if only for data collection. Plenty of people are losing their jobs and any security they have, or missing days of work on sick leave potentially for something other than the virus and nobody will ever know whether they contracted it or not. How is that helpful? Luckily, the UK has woken up to this now - schools are finally closing down tomorrow and testings will be rolled out to a wider population. Edited March 18, 2020 by littleblackheart
Ellener Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 58 minutes ago, Azincourt said: Hence why people should save as much money as possible, after the mortgage, utilities bill, food bill and so forth is taken care of. I read everything I could find on 'frugal living' a few years ago when the big recession happened 2008. I found an old copy of The Tightwad Gazette a few years before that in a library sale where Amy Dacyczyn said 'the time to learn about budgeting is before you have to..' and I'd been vaguely interested in the topic since then. 3
Redhead14 Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: it might actually improve the economy with a large portion of the elder population or the sick to die off and lowering the financial burden of gov'ts with social programs or individual families taking care of their elderly... Exactly, which is why someone/some country would want to bio-engineer something that targets that group and this virus kinda seems like it does that. A test gone wrong??? Edited March 18, 2020 by Redhead14 1 1
Ruby Slippers Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 The anxiety and frustration so many people have about having to stay home is eye-opening for me. I love being at home, have always found it the happiest, calmest, best place to be. Normally I go out often for work and life, but coming home is the best. My suggestion is to work on all those projects you never have time for during the usual grind - clean your house, organize your pantry/closets/garage, clear out clutter and start a donation box. I'm going to clean my house and finally make curtains for my bedroom, hopefully do some larger organization projects, like the spare room which has predictably become the random stuff collection area. It's also a great time to do some relaxing yoga or meditation. There are TONS of free videos online. Even just sitting or lying down and listening to guided meditation can be so relaxing and uplifting. Also, many organizations are offering videos and live streams of inspirational talks and activities, spiritual services - I saw that Planet Fitness will be offering a daily home workout online. It's also a great time to call old friends and family you don't talk to often. 1
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