major_merrick Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 I live in "Free America" and even here things are getting shut down. My county has already taken steps similar to the six counties in California....and we don't even have a confirmed case within two hours' drive of here. Yet. in the city nearby, people are kind of stressed. Here in our county, they are taking things in stride. Our sheriff has set up online feedback so he can hear from the citizens. Open poll, private comments. So far, his approval rating stands at 86%. He's making daily addresses to the people by radio and sending out an email bulletin to subscribers. Our governor is keeping everybody informed calmly and rationally, step-by-step and has supported the counties' liberty to do what they need to do. There are some interesting ideas now about how to keep churches going in spite of the fear: 1. Online services via webcam and group chat. 2. Services in an open field with people keeping some space between each other - no surfaces to handle, thus cutting out the primary means of spread. 3. Drive-in services in the parking lot. Folks stay in their cars, but can still sing and listen to the sermon. As time goes on, I think people will become more and more creative. At least it gives them something to do besides sit and home and worry!
Author gaius Posted March 17, 2020 Author Posted March 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Redhead14 said: Some of it is about denial, and self-soothing. "It could never happen to us" "It's being blown out of proportion by the media". It's an abstract thought to most people that anything so big would happen and so until it gets really real they are trying to not think about it and push it away. Unfortunately, this round of Fake News is gettin' real. That could be it too. I've never lived in Europe or hung out around a lot of Europeans, so maybe it's different over there. But here in the US we have so many dummies. Even most smart people tend to have a streak of imbecile in them when it comes to certain things for some reason. Normally don't mind that much, I like watching Ridiculousness with my wife, but for a pandemic you've got to wise up. The biggest deciding factor for how bad it gets is individual behavior. My job right now is one that's considered essential and I'll be in public spaces frequently for the foreseeable future no matter how bad it gets. So I'll likely end up catching this at some point. If anyone on LS beats me to it feel free to share. It's only a matter of time before someone on here tests positive.
Ellener Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, thefooloftheyear said: Every dope on the street claims bankruptcy.... I never have and hope I never have to! It may be a practical business decision for many in modern times but I was raised in a culture where you always pay your way, and in many cultures it's like that- bankruptcy is a source of despair and shame and even suicide. I think it may be like that here more than you think TFY. Even without going so far as declaring bankruptcy I think one of the big deals about all this is worry about finances, you said you have several years of money stored so it won't affect you, but lots of people don't. The government needs to reassure people when the pandemic subsides they will be given chance to catch up and in the meantime unemployment benefits and medical help without worry for the bills.
LivingWaterPlease Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) My 92-year-old mom believes she probably had the Corona Virus near the end of 2019. She had a high fever for days and terrible aches and pains. She went to Urgent Care Center and they gave her a flu test, told her it was negative and they had no idea what was wrong with her. They then sent her home where she was miserable for a couple of weeks after which she began to recover gradually. Her 88-year-old husband didn't get it. Just saw an article on Facebook about a 103-year-old woman who had it for six days and recovered. Didn't listen to the video or read the article but did see that she went to the hospital and is the oldest person known to recover from it so far. Edited March 17, 2020 by LivingWaterPlease
thefooloftheyear Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ellener said: I never have and hope I never have to! It may be a practical business decision for many in modern times but I was raised in a culture where you always pay your way, and in many cultures it's like that- bankruptcy is a source of despair and shame and even suicide. I think it may be like that here more than you think TFY. Even without going so far as declaring bankruptcy I think one of the big deals about all this is worry about finances, you said you have several years of money stored so it won't affect you, but lots of people don't. The government needs to reassure people when the pandemic subsides they will be given chance to catch up and in the meantime unemployment benefits and medical help without worry for the bills. You're confusing two issues, IMO.. The first is the assumption a lot of people make that the poor can't get medical treatment....While sure, sometimes they don't get top shelf treatment, but there are ways that they can get it and not pay for it, or pay pennies on a dollar.. And most poor areas have clinics that treat everyone no matter what their means or ability to pay may be....Historically broke people generally don't worry so much about the shame of poor credit reports. bankruptcy or not paying for things....I learned after the last recession that a vast amount of people don't feel too ashamed about not paying for things or holding to their end of the contract as they just shift the blame on to someone else..."they shouldn't have given me the money, so its their fault that I defaulted";...Now it will be the virus... Anyway, as to your other point, yes...I absolutely agree that there needs to be some sort of way to assist people through this...As a matter of fact, I am getting royally pissed off at all these politicians, both local and national, that are yelling at people and telling them to suck it up and deal with it....Its easy for them to say, their pensions and government checks are coming in no matter what....For them its almost like a mini paid vacation of sorts....the rest of us(yeah, ill survive, but I stand to lose a lot of revenue....I've already told my people that no matter what happens we'll work as we can and ill try to not cut their regular pay), I cant do that indefinitely....And the "promises: they are making of assistance to businesses seems like its going to be more suited for larger corporations...Several of my colleagues already stated that they may not be able to honor the curfews and mandates due to economic strain...I cant say what will happen there, but it will be hard for authorities to go heavy handed on citizens just trying to survive...Its not like they are out partying or anything... Right now, the virus itself isn't on the top of most people's concerns ..Not from what I am hearing....Many people have watched their retirement nest eggs get crushed in a matter of just weeks(yes, even the "little guys" are losing on that end), and now are faced with government mandated work outages...Some people are able to get by with working remotely, but a larger percentage aren't getting paid if they have to stay at home..And many small businesses can't survive a total loss of revenue for very long...It's a mess, really.. TFY Edited March 17, 2020 by thefooloftheyear 1
littleblackheart Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 4 hours ago, gaius said: I've never lived in Europe or hung out around a lot of Europeans, so maybe it's different over there. It's not, and it's the reason countries have had to enforce a curfew (at least in mediterranean countries where people in general are much more tactile than they are in the UK or the USA) or people would still have house parties and hug everyone on sight. French Prime Minister Eduard Philippe blew a gasket in an interview a couple of days ago saying France had had to take new drastic measures because people were not practicing social distancing, and still holding hands, going to restaurant until late at night and generally not being responsible. Especially the young ones feel they are immune; I've had to have a 'motherly' chat to some students last week about respecting other people's spaces and changing their mindset to 'how to avoid infecting others in case I have it' from 'I don't care because it'll not affect me'. It costs literally nothing to act with consideration for others, while keeping a cool head. No point assuming everyone around us is an irresponsible, unprepared ass, though; all it serves is hike up the sense of panic/general anxiety, imo. 3
amaysngrace Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 I’m happy to report that my daughter is now in possession of an N95 face mask! She has it stored in a biohazard bag in the trunk of her car. 3
Ellener Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 4 hours ago, thefooloftheyear said: As a matter of fact, I am getting royally pissed off at all these politicians, both local and national, that are yelling at people and telling them to suck it up and deal with it....Its easy for them to say, their pensions and government checks are coming in no matter what....For them its almost like a mini paid vacation of sorts....the rest of us(yeah, ill survive, but I stand to lose a lot of revenue....I've already told my people that no matter what happens we'll work as we can and ill try to not cut their regular pay), I cant do that indefinitely.... That's always the issue TFY, a lack of empathy in leadership, not understanding the everyday crushing issues for other people. Good for you taking care of your people, and hopefully we don't get anywhere near the 'worst case' scenarios. 1
Azincourt Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) Quote I've never lived in Europe or hung out around a lot of Europeans, so maybe it's different over there. Am American living in Europe. The European leaders have urged people to stay indoors, only leaving if they must. To buy groceries, medical supplies etc. Schools and Universities are closed. Coffee shops are closed in it's entirety in several Euro Countries, kindergardens are closed. Restaurants are closed in many places. You know how some women buy 1000 shoes that they are never going to wear? I'm a guy who spent the last few years stocking food, water, toilet paper and everything that is necessary for me to survive. Also bought a ton of books and video games and movies. My supplies can last me 5 years, more if I play it safe. As soon as I got word that the Chinese had a virus(and I had a feeling for years that something like this would come out of China or India) I closed my windows and locked my windows(had the construction guy build a steel cage behind all of my windows)closed the door(bought a door worth 20,000 dollars) and now I haven't left the house for months. Word has it that Germany will develop a vaccine within 11 months. I'll leave my house in 1 year and 2 months from now. All of my friends were laughing at me about being a hoarder - guess who's laughing now bro. Edited March 17, 2020 by Azincourt 1
littleblackheart Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, amaysngrace said: I’m happy to report that my daughter is now in possession of an N95 face mask! That must be a relief for you, amaysingrace! Of all people, frontline health professionals are the ones who need access to everything they need + be tested routinely as a matter of course for free, regardless of costs to the gvt purse. Baffling that those with the means can get tested at will when drs, nurses, paramedics, etc are not. 1
Ellener Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Azincourt said: All of my friends were laughing at me about being a hoarder - guess who's laughing now bro. I quipped last week about it being called a mental illness when my anxiety disorder had me excessively cleaning and hand-washing: 'I'm recovered- now the rest of you have it!' Be well! Edited March 17, 2020 by Ellener spelling 1
Azincourt Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ellener said: I quipped last week about it being called a mental illness when my anxiety disorder had me excessively cleaning and hand-washing: 'I'm recovered- now the rest of you have it!' Be well! Same. I ain't even leaving the house and I wash my hands 5 to 10 times a day lol, showering twice a day. My parents taught me to always keep a clean house. Sometimes I feel I must have been a 1950s housewife or something in a past life. 1
Redhead14 Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 3rd death in New Jersey, First Pediatric Case - 5 year old tested positive after both parents tested positive https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-updates-3rd-death-in-n-j-first-pediatric-case-massive-closures-and-curfew-paralyze-social-routines-everything-you-need-to-know-03-17-2020/ar-BB11iXWl?ocid=hplocalnews
Azincourt Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: 3rd death in New Jersey, First Pediatric Case - 5 year old tested positive after both parents tested positive https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-updates-3rd-death-in-n-j-first-pediatric-case-massive-closures-and-curfew-paralyze-social-routines-everything-you-need-to-know-03-17-2020/ar-BB11iXWl?ocid=hplocalnews And that's in NJ. I worry about the people who live in the small towns, with only the local doctor around, and the guy probably can't deal with any of this.
amaysngrace Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 Yesterday my nurse daughter hit the market to grab a few items for herself and the house. She also filled a bag with soups and cereals because she’s concerned about the children who are now home and missing their free meals and dropped it off at our church. she is such my hero 6
serial muse Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 A word on how this has impacted China economically - according to a reporter for the Economist who specializes in China, the impact is unprecedented. He notes that this is the first time they've had negative growth since the Cultural Revolution in the 1970s. Worth following him on Twitter if you're interested in this topic. 2
serial muse Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Redhead14 said: 3rd death in New Jersey, First Pediatric Case - 5 year old tested positive after both parents tested positive OK, whew - I read that headline wrong, and thought it was saying the first death of a child due to coronavirus, which would be the first in the world I think. For anyone else who wondered - it's just the state's first pediatric case. Which shouldn't be a "just", I know, but it's a really different matter than a death! Edited March 17, 2020 by serial muse removed link to fast-track posting
littleblackheart Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) Eeeek. 13yo back home with a continuous cough and flu-like symptoms, says a few in his school are off with the same thing. We've been advised for him to self-isolate for 7 days and for daughter and I to quarantine for 14 days. This will be fun... Edited March 17, 2020 by littleblackheart 1
carhill Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 Tracker, with states, note few states with deaths https://ncov2019.live/data
littleblackheart Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) @GaetaBecause he is the one infected. We wait 7 days for him to see if he develops then touch base with NHS. If it worsens, another 7 days at home and/or hospital. 14 days quarantine for us to avoid it as best we can and not pass on to each other / others. It may just be the flu or a cold or something begnin, but school understandably doesn't want him there and drs not even taking calls about covid-19 unless it's super serious, so we were told to self-isolate. Edited March 17, 2020 by littleblackheart
Inflikted Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 Well, it sounds like my place of work will be shutting down indefinitely. We're basically sitting here just waiting to hear from someone to officially tell us. Granted, from what I understand, we'll still be able to come back once things settle down, but we won't be getting paid and will have to file for unemployment in the meantime in order to continue getting a paycheck. I'm oddly... unphased. I've been working for 10+ years, and have only ever had one, maybe two, week long vacations away in that entire time, so in a way, I almost don't mind the idea of being off for the next several weeks. Granted, it will suck to be pulling in less money, especially as I've been trying so hard to save for a place to live in the next couple years. But, I suppose we'll all have to be extra frugal while on lockdown, anyway. 1
Redhead14 Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, carhill said: Tracker, with states, note few states with deaths https://ncov2019.live/data There have been deaths but since there haven't been tests available or very few at least, how do we know how many people have died and weren't tested but had it anyway? Edited March 17, 2020 by Redhead14
Azincourt Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, amaysngrace said: Yesterday my nurse daughter hit the market to grab a few items for herself and the house. She also filled a bag with soups and cereals because she’s concerned about the children who are now home and missing their free meals and dropped it off at our church. she is such my hero Tell her to get sugar, salt, rice, lots of rice if she can get hold of it, soap bars, shampoo, toothpaste and toothbrushes, and tell her to get canned food and water.
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