Beendaredonedat Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 I don't think this is any time to be repeating conspiracy theories. We are all concerned with things enough without thinking that some rogue government would intentionally cause innocent lives to be lost and their own economy to suffer in the fallout. 4
Ruby Slippers Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) Given all the horrific atrocities the powers that be have committed throughout the ages, I'd say it's the perfect time to consider all options. Edited March 16, 2020 by Ruby Slippers 1 1
sothereiwas Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Beendaredonedat said: I don't think this is any time to be repeating conspiracy theories. We are all concerned with things enough without thinking that some rogue government would intentionally cause innocent lives to be lost and their own economy to suffer in the fallout. I tend to agree. The fact that something like this that very preferentially terminates the very old would be ideal for working toward solving China's self inflicted demographic problem (one child etc) and having it start in China doesn't help quiet suspicious voices though.
littleblackheart Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Libby1 said: Every single post I've seen here that has advocated building a stock has supported doing so in a slow and steady way over a period of time. In any event, supermarkets are starting to ration supplies (though they're limiting people to 5 items such as pasta, handwash etc - which still seems a lot to me You were complaining re people 'nagging' over panic buying. Clearly, there were justified since it is the only reason supermarkets need to ration supplies. Unless you are quarantined, you can still go out and buy food, so unless you are planning to be quarantined for months or you think you may be made redundant because of the current situation, stocking is not necessary for those in steady jobs who can afford a regular weekly shop. 1
2BGoodAgain Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ruby Slippers said: I wouldn't be surprised one bit if this was engineered. Mainstream news sites are now reporting that some countries are saying it's a U.S. bioweapon. I believe Russia closed some borders way back in January. yeah... blame that one on China... they're pushing the whole US military gave them Covid-19 during the last military olympics they held a year or so ago.... look how fast it spread in 4 months... do they really think if we gave it to them a year ago, it'd take this long for it to go crazy? lol. propoganda lacks logic. ironic part is, they're doing it on twitter... which is banned for all people of China, but apparently not their politicians. Go communism!
Redhead14 Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Beendaredonedat said: I don't think this is any time to be repeating conspiracy theories. We are all concerned with things enough without thinking that some rogue government would intentionally cause innocent lives to be lost and their own economy to suffer in the fallout. If the rogue government you're referring to is China, China's economy will be fine and I doubt very much that they would have any trouble sacrificing some of their citizens to create an illusion - collateral required to advance an initiative. It's seems like its targeted to affect only the oldest and least "useful" and for a purpose. Everything around this mess seems sketchy to me. Edited March 16, 2020 by Redhead14
Ellener Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 50 minutes ago, Libby1 said: I'm trying to cut down on news and anonymous social media platforms too. It gets too much of everybody saying essentially the same thing, but arguing about it anyway. Yes, in 'venting' people waste energy and get picky and contentious. I'm only reading news online and practical facts on CDC website. I've deep-cleaned and organised as much as I can, now it's a case of stay calm, self-isolate much as possible and wait it out, encourage others. I recite Psalm 23 a lot! 1
Libby1 Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ellener said: I've deep-cleaned and organised as much as I can, now it's a case of stay calm, self-isolate much as possible and wait it out, encourage others. I recite Psalm 23 a lot! Are you able to do any remote work with the homes you work with, Ellener?
littleblackheart Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 France has declared a 45-day period of confinement during which people can go out for groceries or medical appointments, with a 18.30 curfew monitored by the police.
Gaeta Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: China's economy will be fine All serious economy litterateurs and strategists says the contrary. 1
Ellener Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 57 minutes ago, Libby1 said: Are you able to do any remote work with the homes you work with, Ellener? I will try to make a recording or two, and write a little 'magazine', everyone's super busy organising right now but in the next few days when that's finished the restricted life and waiting is likely to get a bit boring or stressful or lonely at the nursing homes and I'll try to do my entertaining and encouraging remotely that's for sure. I'm going to write out cards to send to people I know who have to stay home too. 1
serial muse Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 Ah, this feels familiar. People always want there to be an agent behind bad stuff, rather than to just believe that bad things might happen all on their own. I guess maybe it gives the illusion of control. I understand it, I suppose, but it's really really dangerous. You know, during the Black Plague, people blamed the Jews for the disease, and that led to pogroms. During the Spanish influenza, people thought it was a bioweapon that the Germans had developed. Insert current scapegoat. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. This is a terrible pandemic. This other stuff is a waste of everyone's time. On the other hand, people stuck at home (as they should be!) I guess have a lot of time on their hands. But please think about the historical context and precedents for this. This is hardly the first time in history that people have thought "aha! terrible thing sweeping the land must have been engineered". It's not because the curtain is being lifted and the truth revealed. I'm sorry, I know this is scary. But conspiracy theories are a fear response. 4 1
Ruby Slippers Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 I admit I love conspiracy theories. And I think it's undeniable that a lot of nefarious planning goes on behind closed doors. The prevailing conspiracy theory here is that someone released a bioweapon as a beta test to see how the world will react, and the next one will be even more severe. I wouldn't be surprised. But intuitively I feel it's just as likely that this occurred naturally. I don't have a strong "this is definitely a manmade bioweapon" feeling. 1
littleblackheart Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 Seems like even terrorists are taking the virus seriously... Coronavirus: Isis tells followers not to travel to Europe for attacks because of outbreak https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/coronavirus-isis-europe-spain-italy-france-uk-covid-19-pandemic-latest-a9403421.html%3famp
thefooloftheyear Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Gaeta said: All serious economy litterateurs and strategists says the contrary. Unless you(or they) can show me an alternative way, then I am saying BS... In the sense that China has strongly established itself as an economic powerhouse by dumping cheap goods on everyone..Mostly by currency manipulation....Now that people have gotten used to that, its not going to go away...so how will they now "suffer"... The alternative is to pay 80K for a Ford Focus, or 10 grand for a washing machine, or $250 for a sweatshirt, that has everything made here or in Canada...That's not happening....The factories are up and running now at what is believed full strength... I remind everyone of the date of the much heralded trade deal January 15, 2020......And how much have things changed since then?? The media(and a lot of you all) have taken the opportunity to point out how poorly the administration handled this...Everyone is an expert when we are talking Monday Morning QB(on an unprecedented event no less), but looking at what was done and the timeline of events, I cant find much to criticize...I mean, sure, anything can be picked apart after the fact, but just based on what I have heard I am not seeing a lot of asleep at the wheel here.. I am the most cynical person you will ever meet...I believe in practically nothing that cant be proven by facts...Its just a very conspicuously random an event... TFY Edited March 16, 2020 by thefooloftheyear
Gaeta Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: I am the most cynical person you will ever meet...I believe in practically nothing that cant be proven by facts...Its just a very conspicuously random an event... So where are those conspiracy facts?
thefooloftheyear Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, Gaeta said: So where are those conspiracy facts? Ok...show me the facts that people will stop buying cheap Chinese shyt? Because that's what you are contending.... I am not saying there is a conspiracy....Just that the timing of all this, the over the top media hysteria over it, the deliberate condemnation of the current administration, etc all seem to be somewhat contrived...To me as a casual observer.... Perhaps its all coincidental, sure....you, me, or any other idiot on the street doesn't know for sure... TFY
sothereiwas Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: I am not saying there is a conspiracy....Just that the timing of all this, the over the top media hysteria over it, the deliberate condemnation of the current administration, etc all seem to be somewhat contrived...To me as a casual observer.... The making of political hay out of a random disaster isn't new, in fact it seems to happen every time it aligns with a narrative the entrenched media like to promote. Still shouldn't be an issue pointing the duplicitous nature of the reporting out IMO. 1
littleblackheart Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) Most gvts have been held to account over this, this is not unique to the USA. This crisis has made us all aware how unprepared a lot of leaders are when faced with a massive public health situation like this one. The speed with which the virus is spreading, combined with lack of social safety nets and overstretched / ill-equipped health services are laid bare for all to see. The next virus can come from anywhere; the main point is, maybe 'we' should be better prepared for it, as much as humanly possible. Edited March 16, 2020 by littleblackheart
Beendaredonedat Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Ruby Slippers said: Given all the horrific atrocities the powers that be have committed throughout the ages, I'd say it's the perfect time to consider all options. Not sure how believing conspiracy theories is an "option" or and option that helps anyone. 1
sothereiwas Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, littleblackheart said: The next virus can come from anywhere Well, historically speaking all the recent nasty ones come from the meat markets in China, don't they?
sothereiwas Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) So on a lighter note, I'm becoming a mass buyer and hoarder now - of old board games. The kid is home and the weather is still pretty cold here so things like Sequence (Letters edition) and some oldies where the age limit is almost appropriate like Clue and Yahtzee are wending their way in from the warehouses of Amazon dot com. I predict this will be the next big rush, so buy 'em while you can. Or do the smart thing and ignore this advice. Whichever. But if I'm right you totally read it here first. Edited March 16, 2020 by sothereiwas 1
Gaeta Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, thefooloftheyear said: Ok...show me the facts that people will stop buying cheap Chinese shyt? Because that's what you are contending.... No, you misunderstood me. People will not stop buying Chinese shyt, but for 50 days China did not produce these shyt, didn't ship them, therefore did not sell them. That is a loss of revenue. In their next quarter they will have an economy growth in the negative but of course they will climb back to the top but it will have hurt them. 1
littleblackheart Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: Well, historically speaking all the recent nasty ones come from the meat markets in China, don't they? Historically speaking, viruses have come from everywhere...History includes more than the last 20 years. It just seems odd to want to point fingers at China at all costs when they've been the ones most affected by it in terms actual deaths.
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