LivingWaterPlease Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, littleblackheart said: You can only build the immune system through herd immunisation when the majority of the population has already been inoculated with a vaccine, though. There isn't one. The problem here is not really how dangerous covid-19 is, it's how fast it's spreading. It's too much of a risk for already vulnerable people, and it puts too much strain on the health service if not contained properly. Even if 'only' 10% of the population get it (very conservative figure) and even if most people will likely be fine, it still leaves something like 3.5% who will not be fine. In a population of 70 million, it's like over 1.5 million, which is huge for any health service to cope with on top of everything else. It doesn't take a vaccine to build immunization. It takes good nutrition and even supplementation. My immune system is very weak, I catch everything that comes around, without supplementation. I was in a house for a week at Christmas time with six children who all had the flu. I didn't get it because I take things that pump up my immune system and have a product that kills viruses. Any of the children who would take the remedies I had got over the flu within hours.
thefooloftheyear Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 Perhaps this will be a much needed wake up call for a country(US) that loves to complain about their medical system, but does practically nothing proactive to actually minimize or prevent themselves from needing the system... But I doubt anyone will do anything.....its much easier to just complain... TFY
simpycurious Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, RecentChange said: Think all that "distraction" time that sports provide, will need to be filled with other endeavors. Like perhaps writing people they lost connection with , I know people in my area are planning "virtual get togethers" to help the extroverts through this time People should ALWAYS "write" to people that are important to them regardless of the circumstances. Sometimes being disconnected with someone can make you realize how much they mean to you. 1
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, basil67 said: that it can't live above 26'C and not more than a few hours on hard surfaces. I had that debate with my boyfriend, he wanted us to start drinking hot tea. I hate this type of misleading information. It lives 10 hours on a hard surface which is enough to contaminate 100s of people taking public transportation, and it's 30C + in Africa and South America and the virus is thriving. Lets not forget human body temperature is at 37C and the virus survives just fine at that temperature. 2
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, LivingWaterPlease said: and have a product that kills viruses. Nothing kills viruses once you are infected. Your body simply fight it back until it becomes dormant that's why you become immune after getting a virus and you cannot get it twice, cause you already has it already. If medicine could kill viruses no body would carry hsv, hiv, hpv, hepatitis, and common wart. 1 1
littleblackheart Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, LivingWaterPlease said: It doesn't take a vaccine to build immunization. It takes good nutrition and even supplementation. Maybe for 1 or a handful of people, but for not millions of people; the risk level is simply too high without a vaccine. You personally may be able to fight this with good nutrition and vitamin supplements, but others simply can't; that's just fact. So we need to take as fewer risks as possible in the interest and for the benefit of all, not just us as individuals. On an individual level, if all you do is practice social distance, keep traveling to a minimum, don't go to crowded places and wash your hands often, you're already helping. On a bigger scale, it makes complete sense for big events to be cancelled and to telework, because being in a confined space with too many people (schools, hospitals, concert halls, gyms, cinemas, etc) for too long risks the health of others. Loss of income due to lack of staturory sick leave, or putting yourself at risk because you don't have health cover is the real problem, imo. Edited March 13, 2020 by littleblackheart
elaine567 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 Anti virals kill viruses, but we don'[t have an antiviral that will specifically kill this one. They are trying to repurpose existing drugs to variable effect.
serial muse Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, basil67 said: I'm local to you @ufo8mycat and understand (probably from ABC Sydney) that it can't live above 26'C and not more than a few hours on hard surfaces. The mixed messages are just adding confusion because who knows what's true... Sorry, no, this is wrong. Data show it lives up to 3 days on plastic and steel, 2 days on cardboard, 3 hours in the air. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1.full.pdf (link is a pdf) 2
Ellener Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 On 3/8/2020 at 1:57 PM, sothereiwas said: Maybe so, perhaps my people are atypical. Everyone I know has at least one container of the stuff in their purse or EDC, and at least one in every car, as well as a couple huge costco pump-top vats of the stuff around the house. I go in and out of nursing homes and large buildings, I always have and use it before I go in, when I come out. That prevents spread of other illnesses ( like D & V norovirus ) too.
Ellener Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 This is an overview of the world figures as they are released, updated daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
sothereiwas Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Gaeta said: Nothing kills viruses once you are infected. Your body simply fight it back until it becomes dormant Some viruses like Herpes do this but it's not how all viruses work AFAIK.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 17 hours ago, gaius said: That's actually a lie though. China has effectively squashed the spread of the virus after having one of the worst outbreak situations you could deal with. Out of a billion people they squished the numbers down to under 100,000. Not everyone got it. Far from it. Our medical officials in the west are choosing to let everyone get it with their actions. If there was ever anything that met the definition of criminal negligence, this is it. What's a lie? That China hid this virus and lied about it until it get out of hand, and only admitted it b/c it was too hard to keep it a secret. Or that somehow the US is responsible for the virus, b/c the US military gave it to the chinese during their military olympics a year ago? Not sure, which lie you're talking about?
2BGoodAgain Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: Some viruses like Herpes do this but it's not how all viruses work AFAIK. That's true... so anyone, what do we know about the COVID-19 virus? does it ever go away or does it remain dormant in the body?
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, elaine567 said: Anti virals kill viruses, but we don'[t have an antiviral that will specifically kill this one. They are trying to repurpose existing drugs to variable effect. Antivirals do NOT kill viruses. antiviral drugs do not destroy their target pathogen; instead they inhibit their development. 3
2BGoodAgain Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gaeta said: Antivirals do NOT kill viruses. antiviral drugs do not destroy their target pathogen; instead they inhibit their development. thanks for educating us. never knew that. 1
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: Some viruses like Herpes do this but it's not how all viruses work AFAIK. All viruses work the same. They don't attack the same system in the body but they work the same. Regardless of the type of host cell, all viruses follow the same basic steps in what is known as the lytic cycle
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, 2BGoodAgain said: thanks for educating us. never knew that. Sadly I know about viruses as I carry a virus and take antiviral.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, Gaeta said: Sadly I know about viruses as I carry a virus and take antiviral. sorry to hear that.... so on that topic... so once you get it, you carry it... which is what i learned in school, but i thought mebbe there was new research on it. as for China n the coronavirus... they locked down an entire city... b/c reliable information isn't historically, very likely from that regime... we can only suspect the validity or even how it was achieved. I don't see most democratic countries locking down cities, as China has the authoritarian power to do so, depending on the severity, it could happen. And b/c they locked down the entire city, we can't presume it ends with that.
Gaeta Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 I have a soar throat just thinking about it, sigh! My boyfriend is asthmatic, we are closing our home to visitors. Because I have a teen of 15 yo there is a lot of teen traffic in my home so, no more of that.
sothereiwas Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Gaeta said: all viruses follow the same basic steps in what is known as the lytic cycle OK, I would agree this seems to be true, and while I'm no virologist, what I think I know is that the steps of the lytic cycle are Attachment, Penetration, Transcription, Biosynthesis, Maturation and finally Lysis, where the cell is destroyed. Again, AFAIK, the cycle Herpes and other "hiding" viruses go into to become dormant is not the lytic cycle, it is, from the cursory info I actually seem to remember, known as the 'Lysogenic cycle", and from what little I looked up a moment ago it seems (again, not an expert) that only some viruses have the tools needed to enter this phase. For instance, I looked up a little info on the Rhinovirus, and it seems to be documented as following only the lytic cycle. Again, eager to learn. Edited March 13, 2020 by sothereiwas 1
sothereiwas Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: For instance, I looked up a little info on the Rhinovirus, and it seems to be documented as following only the lytic cycle. So no, the common cold doesn't seem to 'hide' in our cells, and this seems to be true of many other lytic only viruses. Like the flu, I think, and AFAIK Corona as well. Again, eager to learn.
thefooloftheyear Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Some of the testimonials showing up now of people that had it and got through it suggests its really not that much different from any other flu bug....In fact, it seems like the symptoms are both shorter duration and less severe...Fever and a general sick feeling is about all I am hearing... Ill say this much, having had to deal with shingles(a variant of the virus that gave chicken pox as a kid) a few years back, I can tell you that ill take the corona over shingles any day of the week.... TFY Edited March 13, 2020 by thefooloftheyear
2BGoodAgain Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: Some of the testimonials showing up now of people that had it and got through it suggests its really not that much different from any other flu bug....In fact, it seems like the symptoms are both shorter duration and less severe...Fever and a general sick feeling is about all I am hearing... Ill say this much, having had to deal with shingles(a variant of the virus that gave chicken pox as a kid) a few years back, I can tell you that ill take the corona over shingles any day of the week.... TFY it really depends on the age group and any pre-existing conditions. that's why that 3.4% death rate is very alarming and misleading. alarming b/c 3.4% death rate(i'm sure it's lower, b/c many folk have it, but it's mild for them n unreported)..... let's say the annual flu is what...0.1% death rate? and that results in 30,000 deaths a year in the US alone... at 3.4% that's alarming... however, the death rate among 60+ yrs olds... it's something of a 60-80% death rate(someone correct me here, b/c it seems awfully high)... not sure about folks with pre-existing conditions. or any combo of the two. which is even MORE alarming... but for kids, young folk, younger adults.. it's prob most of the time pretty mild... Edited March 13, 2020 by 2BGoodAgain
sothereiwas Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 I read a report (and it was on the internet so it must be true) that the infected fatality rate on one of the quarantine ships was on the order of 0.2%, which isn't far off the flu I think.
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