elaine567 Posted March 8, 2020 Posted March 8, 2020 False positives are fine, false negatives are the dangerous ones here.
carhill Posted March 8, 2020 Posted March 8, 2020 Depends on what the fallout of a false positive is. Quarantine, business closed, many people impacted. Good news for the case, sure, they don't have the disease. Can be very detrimental to the larger population. I saw that with the friend in Sac. Swabbed in the parking lot, office locked down, that was just due to having been on the Grand Princess prior to Hawaii cruise and feeling a bit ill. No negative or positive at all, at that point. Fortunately, negative. 1
carhill Posted March 8, 2020 Posted March 8, 2020 Prove it. You really want to go down that path with me? Someone getting sent home could die on the road, a road they were never on otherwise, the possibilities are endless. A hotel they get stuck in could collapse. Heck, one did and a bunch of people died, don't know if any on the street or not yet. Endless. Every action has an effect. 1 1
carhill Posted March 8, 2020 Posted March 8, 2020 Corona/Covid19 comes to SoCal desert region https://kesq.com/news/2020/03/07/coronavirus-patient-receiving-treatment-at-eisenhower-health-in-rancho-mirage/ I need to check on that hotel, last look 35 of 70 were still missing in the rubble. It was a quarantine hotel, apparently built in 2018. We can presume they were all positive but we may never know for sure because they're dead. Update, ten confirmed dead and 23 missing... https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-08/10-dead-23-missing-as-hotel-in-china-virus-fight-collapses
Minneloa Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 22 hours ago, Beendaredonedat said: I Just heard it again on the News here in Ontario. They said. "The only country in the world that has no cases is Antarctica." Which means that everyone has at least one case but them. According to Bloomberg, this isn’t true. For example, many African nations have not yet reported cases. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-08/africa-cdc-intensifies-coronavirus-response-in-43-countries
basil67 Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Of course, no reported cases doesn't mean zero cases. 2
Minneloa Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, basil67 said: Of course, no reported cases doesn't mean zero cases. Of course. I was just responding to the poster who said every country had cases. That’s not what I am reading.
Minneloa Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 On 3/7/2020 at 8:12 PM, Beendaredonedat said: I Just heard it again on the News here in Ontario. They said. "The only country in the world that has no cases is Antarctica." Which means that everyone has at least one case but them. Wait, did they say *country* or *continent*? Big difference! If the latter, I have no issue. 1
sothereiwas Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 On 3/7/2020 at 5:12 PM, Beendaredonedat said: I Just heard it again on the News here in Ontario. They said. "The only country in the world that has no cases is Antarctica." Which means that everyone has at least one case but them. I've not heard of anything from Monte Carlo, for one, nor have I heard of any from several African nations. Maybe I didn't google it right.
amaysngrace Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Today at Church our Pastor said there’d be no more drinking from the chalice at Communion and no more handshake of Peace until further notice.
Woggle Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 I think there are several islands who have been spared and if they were smart they would shut themselves off for the time being. 2
Ruby Slippers Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 I never used hand sanitizer before, never felt the need as I wash my hands often. My mom said tell my boyfriend she found a 40-ounce bottle of hand sanitizer in her old stockpile that she's going to give us. He was delighted. She was telling me how people are selling small bottles for $20. She goes, "I could probably sell this for fifty dollars!" haha 1
LivingWaterPlease Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Ruby Slippers said: I never used hand sanitizer before, never felt the need as I wash my hands often. My mom said tell my boyfriend she found a 40-ounce bottle of hand sanitizer in her old stockpile that she's going to give us. He was delighted. She was telling me how people are selling small bottles for $20. She goes, "I could probably sell this for fifty dollars!" haha I've never felt the need to buy it before now, either. But did buy a jug of it Friday and have it in my car. Probably have used it before now, but can't recall exactly. It doesn't make me feel clean but that could be psychological. I hear soap and water gets hands cleaner than hand sanitizer does. Edited March 9, 2020 by LivingWaterPlease
Redhead14 Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Soap and water is better. The hand sanitizer is for when you're out and about . . . touching the grocery cart handle, the door handle at the post office (actually, at ours, there's a big button to push for wheelchair users), etc. This is the kind of illogical thinking that people adopt when they panic. You don't have to use hand sanitizer at home. Get a little bottle to keep in your purse and/or car and refill it from a large bottle at home. 2
Redhead14 Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 The real stupidity of hoarding the hand sanitizer besides spending a lot of money that could be used for something else you might need, is that if you're hoarding all the hand sanitizer and other people can't get it, they can't contribute to the cause of reducing the possibility of spreading it . . . because, well they can't get the hand sanitizer so they are still walking around touching things. And, I don't care how diligent you are about keeping your hands clean, you will forget sometimes. 1
Gaeta Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 50 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: Soap and water is better. My daughter studied in micro-biology. They tested the hand sanitizers and compared to soap. Hand sanitizers did a very poor jobs and left behind all types of germs, microbes, bacterias. The best soap was the dishliquid soap killing almost 99% of germs, and the only desinfectant that was efficient was the one they use in operating rooms in hospitals (forget the name) and that type of desinfectant isn't available to general population. My brother's wife is a doctor and told us to desinfect a wound, a cut, or clean hands from all germs the best is dishliquid. 2 1
pepperbird Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 I figured it wouldn't take long for some idiot to start spreading rumours. Some tool reported that there had been a case at the dinky little hospital in my community. It may not be much, but it's all we have. Someone stated a rumour that a case of cov-19 had been brought in, which wasn't true. Unfortunately, people started getting worried, someone reported it to the NSHA, and the hospital's ER was shut down for the day.It got to a point that the NSHA had to speak to the media about it. We already have enough issues keeping our ER's open , and now this kind of crap. There's a severe shortage of doctors here,. and when something like this hits, the walk ins and ERs get flooded. People waiting over an hour just to get triaged, and then, there's even more waiting in a crowded waiting room spreading germs to everyone else. 1
Redhead14 Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 The disease of stupidity is incurable as well . . . and making a big problem bigger than it needs to be. 4
Libby1 Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 I dread to think what sort of political warfare will break out on Twitter today, once the US markets open. The FTSE has lost nearly 500 points and the Down Jones is down by about 1600. Re hand sanitiser...yeah, that seems to be a particular hoarders' target. I tend to walk to the smaller Tesco metro for my shopping, and it's got plenty of loo roll and hand wash...but no hand sanitiser. I bought a larger sized 250ml one the other week, but so far I've just been using one of those little handbag sized ones. 250mls should last plenty of time. As others have said, you only really need it when you're out and about and there are no washing facilities close at hand. The only reason I even bother to have one, ordinarily, is to clean my hands after picking up after my dog. 1 1
carhill Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Persistent link to CDC case map: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html#reporting-cases I've been making my own sanitizer from isopropyl alcohol and aloe gel I had around for my skin. Mix, put in little squeeze bottles I used to carry shampoo in when traveling, similar to the Purell purse size bottles. Don't get out much but people stop by to buy stuff and pay cash and money is a time honored germ surface. 2
carhill Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 I went to my medical provider to pay the ACA copay this morning and checked their information on Covid19.... typical flu precautions and recommended contacting doctor if believe exposed to specific virus through activities. Gave CDC information links and stated provider visits related to the virus were covered. Nothing sensational. They did recommend 'contact', not 'see', as in physical visit, then take it from there. Reasonable, IMO. If anything, these days with virtual and remote services being commonplace, human to human contact can be lessened in times of need. Forex, rather than drive into town to grocery shop and bank, I'll use Prime Pantry and mobile deposit checks and use EFT's instead of physical payments. Same with doctor. Contact electronically. There are contact points so the advice of providers, CDC and my health insurer still are helpful. Once things heat up and humidity rises, more than likely this will go the typical route of most viruses and life will go on, mostly. The various flu viruses will take their normal toll on lives like they do every year. 1 1
sothereiwas Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Look on the bright side WRT hand sanitizer; if it's anything like 22lr we'll soon see a bunch of it on the market at budget prices.
Ruby Slippers Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Gaeta said: Hand sanitizers did a very poor jobs and left behind all types of germs, microbes, bacterias. This is why I was never into hand sanitizers - I always felt like I was just rubbing the germs all around. 2
princessaurora Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 I work at a bank so we can't run to the bathroom after every customer. I guess hand sanitizer is better than nothing. Now if they're coughing, i'm hightailing it to wash my hands as soon as they leave my desk and they said we can stop handshaking for the time being, but they're still making us sit side by side with them when they're opening accounts, and that I'm not comfortable with. 1
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