RecentChange Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ruby Slippers said: I'm pretty sure my parents will stay home as much as possible for a while and I hope they do. My dad especially is getting more frail and shouldn't be exposed to anything. Yeah my folks are in their 70's and I don't want them getting this. But my mother worked in the medical field all her life (research pharmacist) so I trust they will use good judgement. They live in a much less dense area than I do - so I am not worrying too much. 2
Ruby Slippers Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 Bf is texting me stuff we should get in case we have to stay home for a while. Never hurts to be prepared.
RecentChange Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 I don't see any cities in the US shutting down like Wuhan anytime soon. But if stocking up makes you feel better, have at it.
sothereiwas Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 1 minute ago, RecentChange said: I don't see any cities in the US shutting down like Wuhan anytime soon. But if stocking up makes you feel better, have at it. Well, I just used the internet to order a pizza. Hold the Novel Corona, extra cheese. 1
CautiouslyOptimistic Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, RecentChange said: I don't see any cities in the US shutting down like Wuhan anytime soon. But if stocking up makes you feel better, have at it. I guess that's what the "water" thing is about, but if you have to stock up on bottled water because you're afraid you won't be able to "get out" that is alarming how many people are relying on bottled water that much! Get a Brita! Sheesh. I've had the same two cases of water in my garage fridge for about 3 months. I only use it when I'm going somewhere and need to grab a bottle on my way out the door. ETA: And I drink water all the day long! I always have it. I don't understand this extreme reliance on bottled water. Edited March 6, 2020 by CautiouslyOptimistic 2
Inflikted Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) I feel like I don't understand how "concerned" I should really be. Like, I feel like I've seen so many supposed "world ending" diseases come and go, from bird flu and swine flu and SARS and ebola, etc., that I'm not currently THAT nervous about it. But on one hand, you have people saying that it's no more serious than the flu, and others saying it needs to be taken way more seriously than that. I don't really know what to think. I mean, I don't fall into the category that is more prone to the illness being fatal, but I'd hate to see my family members come down with it and not be so lucky. The scary thing is, the symptoms don't sound any different than a cold or the flu, and I don't know about anyone else, but I've never gone to the doctor when I had a cold or a flu. So how would you even suspect you have it? In any case, fortunately, I no longer work in customer service, so I'm no longer as concerned about catching things from people. But, you still never really know where contact could happen. Like, if I get a package from UPS, who knows where it's been, how many different people have touched it, etc.? Or when I go grocery shopping, or pick up fast food on the way home from work, who knows who may have spread contagions there? Currently, my state doesn't have any confirmed cases. But, who knows? Tomorrow night, me and my dad are going to an event where lots of people are closely packed together for a few hours. Or, this weekend, my one friend is flying down to Tampa to visit family, and in my head, I'm like "Eesh, hopefully you don't get coronavirus...". I dunno. Like I said, I don't really feel like I even know how "concerned" to be about any of this stuff. Edited March 6, 2020 by Inflikted
RecentChange Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: Well, I just used the internet to order a pizza. Hold the Novel Corona, extra cheese. I ate from the whole foods SALAD BAR today. Apparently I like living on the edge. 1 1
Marc878 Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, RecentChange said: I ate from the whole foods SALAD BAR today. Apparently I like living on the edge. At least try not to lick any shrines, etc. 2
Author gaius Posted March 6, 2020 Author Posted March 6, 2020 A group of Chinese doctors who are leading the response gave a press conference and shared a few details about what they've learned. The most interesting to me being the fact that patients who have died often exhibited mild symptoms for around 10 days before they suddenly took a drastic turn for the worse. Which means there's a high likelihood that when you see a case like the lawyer in New York that they've been walking around infected for 2 weeks or more before being hospitalized and discovered. I also have to commend South Korea, who has made it easier to get tested for the virus than to get fast food. While in the US the CDC, FDA, our president and congress all react like a duck hit on the head a tiny nation reliant on us for military protection has managed to do exactly what it needed to in record time.
Ruby Slippers Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 Brita filters do minimal filtration and I live in a place with s***ty water quality, so a Brita or even a high-quality water filter might not cut it. My boyfriend favors genuine spring water, as do I. I just found detailed water quality reports for a long list of brands. I made the case for moving to those big non-BPA reusable jugs and refilling at a good source ourselves, my parents house anytime we visit, and he immediately agreed we'll get those and a dispenser.
Ruby Slippers Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 Stocking up, why the hell not? Better safe than sorry. If things don't get dicey, we'll have extra and use it up soon enough. Extra water, in any kind of panic, things are unpredictable and accessible water is one of the first things to go. Bottled water, I'm guessing he chose it primarily for affordability and convenience. He's often on the go and travels a lot, is always grabbing a few bottles to take with him.
Ellener Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 3 hours ago, CautiouslyOptimistic said: I don't understand this extreme reliance on bottled water. Here loads of people refill plastic containers at @ 29 cents a gallon in or outside supermarkets, the city tap-water can taste pretty disgusting. I don't like the Brita etc since the filters aren't recyclable. When it floods here ( and unexpectedly a large area got water shut offs and flooding just last week through a burst water main not the usual weather issues, loads of schools had to close and people go on boil notice ) we get massive contamination, from the sewers and submerged cars and trash etc. so people store bottled water for those days before the supply trucks get out. 2
Redhead14 Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 8 hours ago, gaius said: patients who have died often exhibited mild symptoms for around 10 days before they suddenly took a drastic turn for the worse. Which means there's a high likelihood that when you see a case like the lawyer in New York that they've been walking around infected for 2 weeks or more before being hospitalized and discovered. That's the case for the majority of viruses. A person may not even have symptoms at all for a while and still be contagious. This part is not new. 1
Author gaius Posted March 6, 2020 Author Posted March 6, 2020 This particular virus seems to be a little slower moving than most others @Redhead14. 5 day average incubation period, up to 14 days. Then another 10 days for mild symptoms to turn serious. Then even more time after that to fight the infection. With the flu it usually doesn't take that long to develop pneumonia, unless you get the walking kind. It's one of the reasons the death rate actually rose when all the experts said it was going to fall. It takes victims so long to croak that it messes up the assumption that you see the highest death rates early on in a pandemic. 1 1
Redhead14 Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Inflikted said: I feel like I don't understand how "concerned" I should really be. I dunno. Like I said, I don't really feel like I even know how "concerned" to be about any of this stuff. Being concerned/taking the situation seriously is different than panicking. Take the necessary/recommended precautions and live your life. You have nothing to lose by doing what's recommended and lots to lose if you don't. One of the things you can do to help, is to advocate the precautions to people you know as well. There are still people out there who have decided they know more than everyone else and ignoring the precautions. The problem is that we can't know anything for sure. So err on the side of caution. It's a risk/benefit situation. Edited March 6, 2020 by Redhead14 2
sothereiwas Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) “The way that this virus tends to make people sick is really by giving people pneumonia. So, a lower respiratory illness as opposed to most colds that cause upper respiratory infections,” said Phillips. “The problem with pneumonia is pneumonia itself can be deadly. Everyone should take a deep breath.” - Dr James Phillips I just couldn't let the presumably unintentional irony (?) in that statement go unshared, sue me. A deep breath, good medical advice indeed, thx doc. Edited March 6, 2020 by sothereiwas double quotes 2
Ellener Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Redhead14 said: advocate the precautions to people you know as well. Absolutely, I bought an extra dozen hand sanitizers and handed them out! And I have discretely been using sanitizing wipes on the counters here at my gift shop gig! Everyone's coughing and sneezing here right now though from the yellow pollen, March is our 'allergy season'... 1
pepperbird Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 15 hours ago, RecentChange said: There are at least 20 cases in my county, dating back to late Feb. Like most cases, it sounds like those who are middle age are not gravely affected, it's the elderly that are ending up hospitalized. There were a couple down in Toronto back in late January, and perhaps even before then. No huge outbreak. No sharply rising death toll. No utilities being shut down, infrastructure affected, etc. Toronto is a major metropolitan area of 2.9 million people, surrounded by lots of urban sprawl. 1
pepperbird Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 12 hours ago, gaius said: A group of Chinese doctors who are leading the response gave a press conference and shared a few details about what they've learned. The most interesting to me being the fact that patients who have died often exhibited mild symptoms for around 10 days before they suddenly took a drastic turn for the worse. Which means there's a high likelihood that when you see a case like the lawyer in New York that they've been walking around infected for 2 weeks or more before being hospitalized and discovered. I also have to commend South Korea, who has made it easier to get tested for the virus than to get fast food. While in the US the CDC, FDA, our president and congress all react like a duck hit on the head a tiny nation reliant on us for military protection has managed to do exactly what it needed to in record time. but compare Korea to the USA in size, demographics, government style and most of all, culture. They are two very different kettles of fish. 1
Beendaredonedat Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) B 31 minutes ago, pepperbird said: but compare Korea to the USA in size, demographics, government style and most of all, culture. They are two very different kettles of fish. But what do those facts have to do with what you have quoted? On 1/24/2020 at 3:53 PM, pepperbird said: more people have already died in the past 12 months from rabies. the same is true for seasonal influenza, HIV, viral hepatitis and various forms of viral encephalitis. I'm not saying the corona virus isn't cause for concern, but the panic is unwarranted. That's comparing apples to oranges. Those you mention are not considered a Global Pandemic. IMO: You have diminished the seriousness of this communicable disease by comparing those in your statement to the corona virus. You also state "in the last 12 months." Corona hasn't been out there for a year yet. Edited March 6, 2020 by Beendaredonedat typo/add
pepperbird Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Beendaredonedat said: That's comparing apples to oranges. Those you mention are not considered a Global Pandemic. IMO: You have diminished the seriousness of this communicable disease by comparing those in your statement to the corona virus. You also state "in the last 12 months." Corona hasn't been out there for a year yet. It's just a communicable disease. It is not some kid of super bug. It's not the end of the world. It's not coming to get us all. 3
sothereiwas Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, pepperbird said: It's just a communicable disease. It is not some kid of super bug. It's not the end of the world. It's not coming to get us all. The latest I've read is that it's coming for us all eventually and it's a new type of flu. Don't panic. 1
carhill Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 I'm a horribly asymptomatic carrier and have been licking checks voraciously. Payback to corporate America? More seriously, a friend up in Sac felt a bit ill after a recent ten day cruise and she was going to go to get looked at, clued her provider, Kaiser, in on her symptoms and travel, was told to not enter the building and someone in PPE came out with a swab kit and swabbed her. Her employer, where she apparently had gone back to work, office environment, told her to stay home and they locked down the office. That's all I know. AFAIK she didn't test positive and is feeling better. She was on the Grand Princess, the ship currently holding off CA, on a ten day Mexico cruise out of SF from Feb 11-21.
Beendaredonedat Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 2 hours ago, pepperbird said: It's just a communicable disease. It is not some kid of super bug. It's not the end of the world. It's not coming to get us all. This is actually a straw man response to my post: Where in my post did I say that it was "the end of the world" or "coming to get us all." I was implying that what you said was a type of fake news since you compared apples to oranges and minimized the potential danger of said communicable disease. in your apples/orange comparison.
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