sothereiwas Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, serial muse said: Are you even paying attention? Those are the figures as of today.
serial muse Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, sothereiwas said: Those are the figures as of today. But the question is not the round numbers, it's the rate of increase! Come on. Those data are out there too. At least for now, until they get erased by the state. The rate of increase in Florida is pretty staggering, and with the governor seeking to open the state up further by July 4, that is about to skyrocket. Read the writing on the wall. Furthermore, keep in mind that the burgeoning cases RIGHT NOW are among younger people hanging out in bars and on beaches, but community spread leads inevitably to further spread WITHIN THE COMMUNITY so it will go right back to the older denizens of the state, who will then be dying. A lot. A lot of dying. I honestly do not even know why this has to be viewed as a partisan issue, anymore than mask-wearing is political. I could give two craps about Cuomo right now, or frankly ever. But you know what? New York was facing this pandemic before we knew what was going on, during a severe shortage of PPE as well. Florida DOES NOT have that excuse. Every choice being made right now down there is done with the full knowledge of its implications. There are plenty of masks available these days. It is grim and cruel. Edited June 24, 2020 by serial muse 1
Author gaius Posted June 24, 2020 Author Posted June 24, 2020 That really depends on a few facts we don't have a full grasp on. Like what strains are predominantly spreading, how well Florida can protect nursing homes, and whether or not Floridians can return to the type of social responsibility they displayed in the early months of the pandemic. Back in April it was hard to find someone without a mask even in Wal-Mart. It's become rather lax as of late though. My wife's mom is in a nursing home nearby that's been on lockdown for months. We've been worried about her ever since this started. But you can also feel for all the people out of work right now. There's no real right or attractive choice to be made in all of this. It a fine line to walk and it sucks. I don't think De Santis has handled it any worse than any other governor. At the end of the day the end results will more reflect the individual choices people make than what the politicians do anyway. Hopefully Floridians can do better than New Yorkers. Who should be held in contempt till the end of time for their collective refusal to stop traveling and socializing. 1 1
Author gaius Posted June 24, 2020 Author Posted June 24, 2020 Oh and by the way, after threatening to sue Rhode Island and Florida a few months ago for setting up checkpoints to keep track of New Yorkers entering the state, Cuomo today announced he's going to require all out of staters to quarantine for two weeks if they want to come to New York. I wouldn't even piss on him if he was on fire at this point.
d0nnivain Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, gaius said: Hopefully Floridians can do better than New Yorkers. Who should be held in contempt till the end of time for their collective refusal to stop traveling and socializing. NY was a ghost town for most of this. It was eerie. Anybody who traveled went to their other home in a different state. .they weren't out running around socializing. The problems in NY stemmed from lack of knowledge. I know a # of people who can trace their infections back to the synagogue in New Rochelle. Most times they were 3 -4 people removed from those who attended the service but it was that one hot spot. Then you have to look at Queens. It had a high immigrant population of "essential workers" who were living with a lot of people crammed into small quarters. Poverty contributed to this which dovetails into the racial inequality being protested. When Florida stopped letting people in from my area who didn't self quarantine for 14 days, I had to scrap plans to go to my Florida home. I could not stay for 14 days. Now even if I wanted to go down, I would have to self quarantine when I got home. Yes, there are bars & restaurants now spilling onto the sidewalk without masks but masks are still mandatory. The fact that masks are a choice in other places & most people chose to defy common sense is what makes me crazy.
thefooloftheyear Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, sothereiwas said: Florida has to get 10x worse before it gets as bad as New York, and yet people praise Cuomo, the guy who sent COVID positive patients back into care homes. Florida has plenty of old codgers last time I knew. You can't make this stuff up,. man....not in your wildest imaginations.. I dunno about you, but I sure hope they pick a jury of these people for me when or if the shyt ever hits the fan for me... TFY
sothereiwas Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 56 minutes ago, serial muse said: The rate of increase in Florida Increase in what is the question. The rate of increase in deaths doesn't seem to be that extreme from what I've seen. Cases are driven by increased testing. 1
thefooloftheyear Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 Here is the thing.... If positive cases are on the upswing, but people aren't dying or aren't flooding ICU's like back in March/April, what does it mean,. then?? I looked at a few charts and the death rates per day seem to be at a low right now... Is it just "running its course"? Or are the majority of positive tests not resulting in severe illness or death? Admittedly I haven't followed the small details of this that closely..I just dont seem to be hearing all the gloom and devastation like a few months ago...All we seem to be hearing is "more positive cases"... TFY
elaine567 Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: the guy who sent COVID positive patients back into care homes. People in the UK did the same. They were just so desperate to free up hospital beds, they sent the "bed blockers" home to the care homes. Care homes who were never going to be able to cope with the medical needs of such patients. Some reportedly died in agony being unable to breathe...
elaine567 Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, thefooloftheyear said: Here is the thing.... If positive cases are on the upswing, but people aren't dying or aren't flooding ICU's like back in March/April, what does it mean,. then?? It may take 3+ weeks for people to die of Covid, some end up on ventilators for months before ultimately dying. There is thus always a lag. 1
d0nnivain Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: Here is the thing.... If positive cases are on the upswing, but people aren't dying or aren't flooding ICU's like back in March/April, what does it mean,. then?? Death rates aren't at the all time highs where they were but ICU & hospital admissions are rising to alarming rates. I think that means medical science is better at curtailing it against death but that doesn't stop the secondary problems like heart attacks, thinking blood & the need for lung transplants. Problem is people & the media have short attention spans. Edited June 24, 2020 by d0nnivain
Art_Critic Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, d0nnivain said: The problems in NY stemmed from lack of knowledge. No.. there was a lack of knowledge going around as everyone waded through it all but in my state we purposely closed up the senior places and wouldn't even allow family in let alone any covid-19 patients... We protected our weak, NY thew theirs to the Covid-19 wolves Georgia didn't do what NY did and look at our numbers..there was a funeral in S. Ga that caused a super spreader scenario and that hurt some old folks homes but other than that our numbers are not as bad as they would have been if we hadn't of protected the weak Cummo, while I bought into his persona in the beginning turned out to be totally uninformed to the point that actual deaths can be traced back to the very decision he made to place those people in those places... you have to wonder WTF he was thinking..Georgia's Governor did it differently and at the same time as NY was killing older people. Edited June 24, 2020 by Art_Critic 1
clia Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, thefooloftheyear said: If positive cases are on the upswing, but people aren't dying or aren't flooding ICU's like back in March/April, what does it mean,. then?? I looked at a few charts and the death rates per day seem to be at a low right now... Is it just "running its course"? Or are the majority of positive tests not resulting in severe illness or death? Admittedly I haven't followed the small details of this that closely..I just dont seem to be hearing all the gloom and devastation like a few months ago...All we seem to be hearing is "more positive cases"... I agree with this, and we are going to find out what happens to the death numbers over the next 3-4 weeks. If there isn't a big increase, then that changes things (or it should, anyway). It's already starting to look pretty clear that this is not nearly as deadly as they thought back in March. I also think it's too soon for places like MI and NY to start running their victory lap. NYC has just started to reopen, and in southeast MI (the hardest hit area), things really only started reopening about 2.5 weeks ago. We should expect to see increases in cases and deaths in those places once things get going again -- the question is, how much. Edited June 24, 2020 by clia
elaine567 Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 No-one can run a victory lap until everything is back to normal including global travel and there are still no cases, indicating the virus has "died out"or we have developed a global vaccine or some sort of antiviral that "kills" it. We have yet to go through all the seasons. The recent large outbreaks in meat processing plants are interesting. Dark, cold, damp places with poor social distancing - sounds a bit like winter...
preraph Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 Yes, this is one scary virus. It is impervious to the seasons. They already know that from looking at it across the globe.
Angelle Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 A friend of mine in Arizona, posted a link to an article that stated they're being overrun. https://www.azmirror.com/blog/nurses-on-the-front-lines-paint-picture-of-overwhelmed-arizona-hospitals/?fbclid=IwAR0SLykRZUb2HXo6iu_E-dHSTOib7ECX6sg4-xAt9WjABVT94OOw8XKMCh0
Angelle Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 4 hours ago, thefooloftheyear said: That's odd, because I don't recall any of you(or the MSM)_ getting "shocked" over the thousands of people all over the county basically on top of one another during(and continuing) the riots and protests... I guess the virus just cares more about them..That must be the reason.... Bottom line...No one wants to hear it....selective application of concern just discounts any of it. TFY I was a bit worried over the protests, before I heard (and saw) that most people were wearing masks, and doing their best to be careful. I wanted to attend a protest in Cleveland, and was going to do my best to stick to the edges of any group, wear my mask, just be careful. I hadn't even thought about anything like rubber bullets and tear gas, but I was prepared to write my dad's number on my arm, and take my chances. People there were wearing masks, handing out hand sanitizer, and bottles of water. They were being careful. Same with other groups that were also registering people to vote. I also saw comments from liberals on twitter, who were concerned about a lack of social distancing, tear gas used on protesters, and those helping to wash it out of the eyes of people there.
thefooloftheyear Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 2 hours ago, elaine567 said: It may take 3+ weeks for people to die of Covid, some end up on ventilators for months before ultimately dying. There is thus always a lag. If it was an ongoing thing(which I fully believe) then there would be no "lag"....Meaning that the people right now would be dying from 3 + weeks ago being infected.....But it doesn't seem to be happening...Not be the numbers I researched anyway.... The Governor here recently stated that any undetermined death will be counted as CV19... TFY 1
Art_Critic Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, Angelle said: A friend of mine in Arizona, posted a link to an article that stated they're being overrun. https://www.azmirror.com/blog/nurses-on-the-front-lines-paint-picture-of-overwhelmed-arizona-hospitals/?fbclid=IwAR0SLykRZUb2HXo6iu_E-dHSTOib7ECX6sg4-xAt9WjABVT94OOw8XKMCh0 The person (nurse) they interviewed has all but retracted that viewpoint as he wasn't an expert in the capacity of the hospital, a person who was an expert in the capacity has said "AZ has enough ICU nurses to manage a surge", The guy seems to have overstepped his bounds and spoke when he had no clue as to the capacity of the hospital, he even mentions this on his social media, which I can't post unfortunately.
Angelle Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 36 minutes ago, Art_Critic said: The person (nurse) they interviewed has all but retracted that viewpoint as he wasn't an expert in the capacity of the hospital, a person who was an expert in the capacity has said "AZ has enough ICU nurses to manage a surge", The guy seems to have overstepped his bounds and spoke when he had no clue as to the capacity of the hospital, he even mentions this on his social media, which I can't post unfortunately. Isn't Arizona now considered the national hot spot?
Angelle Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-antibodies-fade-months-study/story?id=71406787 Any antibodies could fade in as little as two months. So we need to continue being careful. Edited June 24, 2020 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Removed tracking ID from link
Ellener Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Angelle said: Any antibodies could fade in as little as two months. So we need to continue being careful. A new vaccine is being given to volunteers this week in the UK: A new approach Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus. Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus. This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19. Chief investigator for the study, Dr Katrina Pollock, added: "I wouldn't be working on this trial if I didn't feel cautiously optimistic that we will see a great immune response in our participants. "The pre-clinical data looked very promising. We're getting a neutralising antibody response which is the immune response you would want to protect from infection. But there's still a long way to go to evaluate this vaccine."
QuietRiot Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Piddy said: Florida as over 21 million people. So that's well over 3000 deaths. Governor Ron Desantis is a Trump disciple so we've been kind of lax here in Florida. Pinellas county next to my county has just issued a rule that both businesses and customers must wear masks when an interaction takes place indoors. We're on the rise here in new cases like many states are. Trump is trying to wish it away all over again. Didn't work the first time he tried to ignore it and won't work this time. So, what was your point again? Strangly enough one of our most biggest...small...cities just now cancelled it's fireworks. Other small towns are having theirs. So we have mixture of small town American towns cancelling, while others are holding fireworks events. Needless to say, the cancelled fireworks pissed off a lot of the rednecks here. lol
QuietRiot Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 6 hours ago, thefooloftheyear said: Here is the thing.... If positive cases are on the upswing, but people aren't dying or aren't flooding ICU's like back in March/April, what does it mean,. then?? I looked at a few charts and the death rates per day seem to be at a low right now... Is it just "running its course"? Or are the majority of positive tests not resulting in severe illness or death? Admittedly I haven't followed the small details of this that closely..I just dont seem to be hearing all the gloom and devastation like a few months ago...All we seem to be hearing is "more positive cases"... TFY There had been an article that was ran today that herd immunity may now be at 43% instead of the 70% that it once was.
d0nnivain Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, QuietRiot said: There had been an article that was ran today that herd immunity may now be at 43% instead of the 70% that it once was. What? At no point did 70% of any population have immunity to this disease. I think even 43% sounds high. Do you really think that many people in any group have been exposed? We have about 330 million people in the US. 2.1 million have confirmed cases & almost 120,000 died. Even if you triple the number of cases for people who had mild strains but never got tested, that certainly doesn't add up to 43% with immunity to my understanding of mathematics but I was an English major, so who knows. Edited June 24, 2020 by d0nnivain 2 1
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