Emilie Jolie Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, CaliforniaGirl said: We explained that all four of us are now learning that we have definitely been, to put it bluntly, spoiled. Right. We are still spoilt now, even on lockdown. You want a bath? You just run it as you would before the pandemic. You want to binge watch the latest series? Switch your devise on, it's all there. You have an emergency health issue? You'll be still treated. You fancy pizza and can afford the expense? Np, Dominoes (or your local restaurant,or endless other outlets) will make it and deliver to your door within the hour. You want to order that special organic soap that you always use? Sure, Amazon Prime it. Spoilt. And ungrateful with it. And impatient. It's not been 3 months of disruption. There still are hundreds of deaths a day (in the USA and the UK at least). Things will get back 'on track' (whatever that means) in due time. For now, it is what it is, and we need to control that virus with what we have. 3
Redhead14 Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 On 5/18/2020 at 4:03 PM, amaysngrace said: But if people aren’t willing to take care of themselves . . . Trump is pretty obese and feasts on McDonald's on a regular basis. I'd say he's high-risk because of that coupled with his age. But oh well. 1
NuevoYorko Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 19 hours ago, Art_Critic said: That's a pretty big stretch, protect the weak and medically fragile but to think there are many people who are looking to have weak people die is a bit short sighted and bleak Not going to search for quotes but I was reacting to something along the lines of "natural order of selection" and "society is only as strong as its weakest members." In this context, it seems to be straightforward. I've seen the same statements in diverse places, including from some prominent figures; pretty sure that there are, indeed, many who agree with the poster here who's promoting those ideas.
chillii Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Well , that's how nature works you don't need quotes , the strongest survive it's the natural order of things and the way it keeps the balance. Even the old lion has to leave his herd and goes off to die, sadly that's just how is , nature is ruthless in keeping the balance. That's why we have so many problems now and such huge populations , we fk with everything and fk with the natural balance and natures way of keeping that in check. This is why on one hand it's so insane they complain about aging populations and how great medicine is on the other keeping everyone alive when in the natural order they would've died, really , it's insane if you want the planet and people to survive naturally. All these things that sweep through countries or across the world like flues and Spanish flues and Abola's could well be just natures natural order and time for a clean out. But we fk with that too with the modern world like this started in China well they needed it there's too many people but with our planes and travel it got away. Normally in nature natural immunity would've save the strong and the weak would perish and that's what would be intended.lt's not rocket science it's a very simple logic ya don't need quotes or books or degrees to put that together.. Probably why it has an ice age every now and then too , clean the place up and get it ready for the next faze. Everything has a purpose , the volcano , the flood, the storm the earthquake everything that would normally happen naturally , they're all natures paints and chisels and probably the natural things in these crazy illnesses are too. Even the starving and crazily over populated countries now would never have gotten to that a 1000 yrs ago , it's all our messing with things that's created those situations. Nature easily provides everything we need but in it's own plan , not our plan. Our plan cuts the natural order of everything off at every turn. But of course l don't wanna see that in something like this either and people dying . Edited May 19, 2020 by chillii 1
CaliforniaGirl Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, chillii said: Well , that's how nature works you don't need quotes , the strongest survive it's the natural order of things and the way it keeps the balance. Even the old lion has to leave his herd and goes off to die, sadly that's just how is , nature is ruthless in keeping the balance. That's why we have so many problems now and such a huge population , we fk with everything be we also fk with the natural balance and natures way of keeping that in check. This is why on one hand it's so insane they complain about aging populations and how great medicine is on the other keeping everyone alive when in the natural order they would've died, really , it's insane if you want the planet and people to survive naturally. All these things that sweep through countries or across the world like flues and Spanish flues and Abola's could well be just natures natural order and time for a clean out. But we fk with that too with the modern world like this started in China well they needed it there's too many people but with our planes and travel it got away. Normally in nature natural immunity would've save the strong and the weak would perish and that's what would be intended.lt's not rocket science it's a very simple logic. That's why it has an ice age every now and then too , clean the place up and get it ready for the next faze. Even the starving and crazily over populated countries now would never have gotten to that a 1000 yrs ago , it's all our messing with things that's created those situations. Nature easily provides everything we need but in it's own plan , not our plan. Our plan cuts the natural order of everything off at every turn. But of course l don't wanna see that in something like this either and people dying . You say this and it sounds reasonable but when it's your six-month-old child with an infection that could be cured with literally one round of antibiotics, but without it will either kill her or will burn her brain so she lives a life of profound intelllectual inability and you changing her and feeding her, the feeling becomes different. This is why "just let nature take its course...it's good for the planet" only ever seems to fly for the proponents when it applies to "them" and "they" and somebody else, far away. 2
CaliforniaGirl Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Redhead14 said: Trump is pretty obese and feasts on McDonald's on a regular basis. I'd say he's high-risk because of that coupled with his age. But oh well. While obviously nobody but his doctor can say for sure, a life of a whole lot of partying, his years of being obese and his age plus statistics on how many people of all apparent levels of health get heart diesease all put together mean the probability of his having at least some sort of developing heart issue is also somewhat up there. He seems like a really high-risk candidate, honestly. 1
chillii Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, CaliforniaGirl said: You say this and it sounds reasonable but when it's your six-month-old child with an infection that could be cured with literally one round of antibiotics, but without it will either kill her or will burn her brain so she lives a life of profound intelllectual inability and you changing her and feeding her, the feeling becomes different. This is why "just let nature take its course...it's good for the planet" only ever seems to fly for the proponents when it applies to "them" and "they" and somebody else, far away. Yeah l know , and of course but that's in the last line. l don't want any of that either . l'm just sayin that things like this could well be just nature doing her thing is all , not that l like it or agree with it or want it in this. And , this, could also have not been natures order too , because in nature their wouldn't be live markets in the middle of cities and 1000s of people. Like l said , we fk with everything. 1
Redhead14 Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, CaliforniaGirl said: While obviously nobody but his doctor can say for sure, a life of a whole lot of partying, his years of being obese and his age plus statistics on how many people of all apparent levels of health get heart diesease all put together mean the probability of his having at least some sort of developing heart issue is also somewhat up there. He seems like a really high-risk candidate, honestly. According to some people on this site, being obese is the biggest risk factor and he is quite obese. He is high-risk, no doubt of that. His doctor doesn't appear to be any kind of genius anyway. I don't believe a word that guy says. He gets paid to tell everyone the President is healthy. He also supports giving Trump a "sketchy" drug for Covid, even though, he tested negative. I say let Trump be exposed to it like everyone else in the country will be eventually (according to some people on this site). Survival of the fittest applies to him too. Edited May 19, 2020 by Redhead14 2
CaliforniaGirl Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: According to some people on this site, being obese is the biggest risk factor and he is quite obese. He is high-risk, no doubt of that. His doctor doesn't appear to be any kind of genius anyway. I don't believe a word that guy says. He gets paid to tell everyone the President is healthy. He also supports giving Trump a "sketchy" drug for Covid, even though, he tested negative. I say let Trump be exposed to it like everyone else in the country will be eventually (according to some people on this site). Survival of the fittest applies to him too. I don't adore Trump but I do think "no no, the president's totally fine" could be just be a "keep America for entirely losing its ish" thing...a sick president would be all we would need now, it would be like the scene in Airplane! the move..."assume crash positions" people are screaming, putting their dinner trays on top of their heads, choking each other, sitting upside down in chairs praying and sobbing...etc... I think countries downplay presidential possible illnesses in general so that's one thing I can't kick Trump for...we've probably had any one of near-misses over our career as a nation. He does get exposed to it, probably. We've seen that with that one valet who tested positive. He could get it. Hard to say. If he does he'll be the one person in the U.S. guaranteed of immediate and exemplary no-holds-barred, compassionate round-the-clock medical care from the finest staff.
Redhead14 Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, CaliforniaGirl said: If he does he'll be the one person in the U.S. guaranteed of immediate and exemplary no-holds-barred, compassionate round-the-clock medical care from the finest staff. Yeah, too bad.
amaysngrace Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 9 hours ago, NuevoYorko said: Not going to search for quotes but I was reacting to something along the lines of "natural order of selection" and "society is only as strong as its weakest members." In this context, it seems to be straightforward. I've seen the same statements in diverse places, including from some prominent figures; pretty sure that there are, indeed, many who agree with the poster here who's promoting those ideas. Dude I’m not promoting that idea. It’s Darwin’s idea. And it’s simple truth. I’m sorry that it bothers you so badly to the point that you’ve been harping on it over and over again but should we just rewrite truth to paint a pretty picture for you so you can handle it? In a way you are illustrating perfectly exactly what Darwin was getting at. You do realize that right? He wasn’t just referring to the physically strong. Adapt or die is a thing. Anyway this virus itself is the product of natural selection and evolution. It’s either that or it was genetically engineered because it can’t be both. So which is it? 2
elaine567 Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 Whether it was genetically engineered in a lab or "genetically engineered" in the markets of Wuhan or escaped from a lab or whether it was due to some other "perfect storm" scenario, it had human hands all over it. It was "our" fault, that cannot be disputed. We meddle, we pay the price
amaysngrace Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, elaine567 said: Whether it was genetically engineered in a lab or "genetically engineered" in the markets of Wuhan or escaped from a lab or whether it was due to some other "perfect storm" scenario, it had human hands all over it. It was "our" fault, that cannot be disputed. We meddle, we pay the price Right. So stop eating animals. There’s all this compassion for dying humans but none for them. It’s a sad state of affairs when pain and suffering is okay if only applies to “them” but if it happens to “us” it’s a problem. When things are out of balance sht like this happens. It’s the natural order.
elaine567 Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 40 minutes ago, amaysngrace said: There’s all this compassion for dying humans but none for them. It’s a sad state of affairs when pain and suffering is okay if only applies to “them” but if it happens to “us” it’s a problem. At least 6 rhesus macaque monkeys died in the Oxford vaccine trial this week...
amaysngrace Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, elaine567 said: At least 6 rhesus macaque monkeys died in the Oxford vaccine trial this week... We need to stop supporting animal testing too. We can do that easily by not paying for products that test on animals. It’s up to us. We aren’t monkeys or rats or rabbits. Humans should sit for tests.
amaysngrace Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 Oh right, humans are freaking out over the covid test
chillii Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 4 hours ago, elaine567 said: Whether it was genetically engineered in a lab or "genetically engineered" in the markets of Wuhan or escaped from a lab or whether it was due to some other "perfect storm" scenario, it had human hands all over it. It was "our" fault, that cannot be disputed. We meddle, we pay the price Ain't that the truth . But you didn't mention wet markets , God l hate that term , does that mean you don't think it was the markets ? This whole thing just gets creepy to a whole new level if it wasn't.
elaine567 Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, chillii said: But you didn't mention wet markets Like you I hate the term, I hate the concept, I can't bear to think about it and so I just typed markets...
NuevoYorko Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 7 hours ago, amaysngrace said: Dude I’m not promoting that idea. It’s Darwin’s idea. And it’s simple truth. I’m sorry that it bothers you so badly to the point that you’ve been harping on it over and over again but should we just rewrite truth to paint a pretty picture for you so you can handle it? In a way you are illustrating perfectly exactly what Darwin was getting at. You do realize that right? He wasn’t just referring to the physically strong. Adapt or die is a thing. Anyway this virus itself is the product of natural selection and evolution. It’s either that or it was genetically engineered because it can’t be both. So which is it? The USA, like the rest of the developed world, has "evolved" to a place where the sick, disabled (mentally and / or physically) weak and old are not left to die in order to "strengthen" our population. We have science and medicine, at least for now. It's not looking good, though. This trend towards anti-science and refuting knowledge and facts is far more debilitating to a society than helping people survive a disease. Devo. 1
sothereiwas Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, NuevoYorko said: The USA, like the rest of the developed world, has "evolved" to a place where the sick, disabled (mentally and / or physically) weak and old are not left to die in order to "strengthen" our population. That's true. Perhaps this is at least partially a consequence of our having changed our circumstances such that the Darwinian fitness function is not the same as it was in the past. Some of the members of our society who contribute the most would have been unable to contribute much of value in the stone age North America that existed only a few hundred years ago, and a lot of those who were able to contribute the most back then might find their ability to contribute today limited at best, despite their youth and health. Youth and health are in many cases not required to enable a person to contribute value to our society now. It could be argued that the specific factors you cite further alter the fitness criteria such that the ability to contribute something positive is much less important now. I can see an argument where one could assert that this last case isn't in the best interests of our civilization but I'm not prepared to actually make that assertion. The other argument, that our rendering youth and health less crucial is a bad thing, seems to be shaky at best.
amaysngrace Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, NuevoYorko said: This trend towards anti-science and refuting knowledge and facts is far more debilitating to a society than helping people survive a disease. Darwin was a scientist so I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make. Edited May 20, 2020 by amaysngrace
preraph Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 The governor opened up Texas two weeks ago despite the fact that Dallas was just now escalating in number of cases and deaths. At that time is when I was on here complaining that I was seeing people who weren't wearing masks gathering in groups and having huge parties in Parks etc. and that there were a bunch of yahoos going around acting like they were heroes for protecting their rights by not staying home or wearing masks. So yesterday Dallas had the highest death rate it's had so far in reaction to the reigns being loosened and people getting out and about and not being careful. 14 people died in Dallas yesterday. I get that we need to get back to work. I need to myself. But that's not what this is about. This is yahoos who can't stand staying home and are just going out and gathering in groups and partying. I'm guessing a lot of these people are too responsible to even have had a job to begin with.
eleanorrigby Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 I've been hearing this speculation about Vitamin D and Covid-19 for a while now, it's interesting. This is a good video on it. I've ordered some bottles of high potency Vitamin D drops for my family to go with the Vitamin C and Zinc. Couldn't hurt.
Ruby Slippers Posted May 20, 2020 Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) ^ I've heard from a number of reputable researchers and scientists over the past 2 months that the vast majority of people with Coronavirus also have a vitamin D deficiency. As usual, mainstream emphasis is on pharmaceutical solutions. Big Pharma and their associates don't make any money from people boosting their own immunity through healthy diet, exercise, and supplements. Edited May 20, 2020 by Ruby Slippers 1
Recommended Posts