Art_Critic Posted May 9, 2020 Posted May 9, 2020 There aren't any experts on this thread Elaine... just the posters here... I can't have thoughts and opinions of my own.. they have to be backed by experts ? Don't you find it funny that Covid-19 is closely related to SARS-CoV and some of the areas that have low numbers with Cov-19 have had SARS-CoV in the past?
elaine567 Posted May 9, 2020 Posted May 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Art_Critic said: There aren't any experts on this thread Elaine... just the posters here... I am well aware of that but what I meant was that I have never heard any virologists or immunologists or epidemiologists or doctors or any other "expert" saying anything about crossover immunity with the original SARS virus. 1
Art_Critic Posted May 9, 2020 Posted May 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, elaine567 said: I am well aware of that but what I meant was that I have never heard any virologists or immunologists or epidemiologists or doctors or any other "expert" saying anything about crossover immunity with the original SARS virus. IMO, time will tell.. we don't know enough about Covid-19 and the antibodies.. With the flue.. H1N1 we can have some immunity if we have had the flu before even though it is a different strain, it would explain some of the low numbers in China other than they are lying.. I'm open to listen to it all and I'm sure the scientific community will do the research one day 1
Philosopher Posted May 9, 2020 Posted May 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Art_Critic said: There aren't any experts on this thread Elaine... just the posters here... I can't have thoughts and opinions of my own.. they have to be backed by experts ? Don't you find it funny that Covid-19 is closely related to SARS-CoV and some of the areas that have low numbers with Cov-19 have had SARS-CoV in the past? Very few people where infected by SARS, so if it did provide cross immunity for COVID-19, very few people would benefit from that cross immunity. 3
mark clemson Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 On 1/24/2020 at 9:23 AM, gaius said: It's airborne and deadly. Hundreds, if not thousands of people have already been infected and it's in the US, at 2 ports of entry at least. The confirmed case in Chicago apparently was carrying it for 11 days in the US before they caught on. Has the next true pandemic started? Or will it just be another Ebola dud. Well, time has given you your answer. It was the next true pandemic. It's interesting that, probably due largely to the low % death rate, many people seem to now fear the economic fallout more than the virus itself. The government won't keep printing "relief checks" forever. As cold as it may sound, there is some logic to the fear that "I'll wind up sleeping on a park bench for the rest of my life" outweighing the fear "maybe your grandma will die if I reopen my small business". A life is destroyed either way, at least from many people's perspectives. Particularly if you're that small business owner. I believe that if it killed 30% of people or something, and the threat was more obvious and direct we wouldn't have this. The measures taken would have been even more drastic, but briefer, as with the NYC Ebola outbreak, and transmission would have been stopped. My guess is that this will not stop circulating, particularly with "not worrying about it" seemingly becoming integrated into some folks' identity politics. So it will be similar to the flu, a persistent but low level threat that we have treatments for (there is already an approved med in the US and many companies are working on others as well as vaccine approaches) and simply tolerate/ignore as we go through daily life. This probably means the death toll will eventually hit quite large numbers (over many years) since eventually the medical community's (and everyone else's) guard will start to come down, etc. Similar to the flu. Possibly I'm wrong about all that - I guess time will tell. 2
amaysngrace Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 My daughter just texted me and told me her patient tested positive. She had him all last night too. He’s her second one. She said his only symptom is low grade fever, just like the last one. 1
schlumpy Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 22 hours ago, elaine567 said: y. That is not borne out by a recent study in the UK where BAME people all have increased risk of being severely affected or dying. The Chinese IMO treated the virus like a virus, the West played around and are still playing around. I accept your comment Elaine but I was only using the idea of Asians having a natural resistance to the Covid as an example. I could just as easily substitute eating garlic. I feel it's very important to give good factual political free statistics and information which I do not believe the Chinese are capable of and that's what the Chinese are playing around with. I'm just as critical of US statistics. I am not happy where someone who dies of a heart attack and tests positive for the virus is listed as a Covid casualty. Like everyone else in this world I'm trying to assess the risk I face and I don't respond well to well meaning condescending officials who take a "it's for your own good" approach to my welfare without supplying a reasonable explanation that holds up to minor scrutiny. Maybe it comes down to having faith in government and mine is lacking.
elaine567 Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, schlumpy said: I am not happy where someone who dies of a heart attack and tests positive for the virus is listed as a Covid casualty. A person with heart attack can be pushed over the edge by Covid and Covid can cause heart problems. Without the e presence of Covid, would they have died? Probably not. Severe Covid puts huge pressure on the lungs and that in turn can put huge pressure on the heart. The virus can cause direct damage to the heart muscle too. 1
schlumpy Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 Good Morning to you to, Elaine. Yes, I'm aware of the stress that the virus can have on the body but when someone is brought into the hospital dead from a heart attack I don't necessarily think the virus killed them. I'm worried that everyone is sliding their little agendas into the data collection which will make the results useless except for those with an agenda to push. I have read that in Chicago people who come in dead from gunshot wounds (drug wars) that test for Covid are also placed on the list as covid casualties. I can't give you a good explanation for this nor have heard or read one.
BaileyB Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, schlumpy said: I'm worried that everyone is sliding their little agendas into the data collection which will make the results useless except for those with an agenda to push. What about all the people who have symptoms and can’t get a test. Or, the people who have died in their homes or personal care home and never made it to hospital. The stats are never going to be accurate. Edited May 10, 2020 by BaileyB 1
sothereiwas Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, elaine567 said: Without the e presence of Covid, would they have died? Probably not. Sure they would. Maybe just not today. On the other hand how many diabetics are seeing their health deteriorate while we close medical facilities to routine healthcare? What if some of them die in the next 6 months when they would have otherwise lived 7 or more?
carhill Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 I'm old enough to remember the H3N2 pandemic in the 60's where a significant portion of the population were infected due to its high contagiousness, fortunately death rates were below the Spanish Flu, 57 pandemic and the 2018 pandemic, we were in a mild recession but in general business and personal life were unaffected, forex we kids roamed as free as ever, school was normal, no changes in routine. That was a time of anti-war protest and free love and flower children. The queen of lack of social distancing, Woodstock, occurred the summer after the virus was first detected, and was still claiming lives, in 1969. It would continue to be an issue for another year or so. It was called the 'Hong Kong flu' at the time. That's what I remember it as. Didn't know all the scientific stuff back then. AFAIK, shutting down the economy and wholesale clearing out the health care industry to focus on one potential health threat are unprecedented in our history, and in a time when we have far more scientific knowledge and technology to throw at viruses than at any time in our history. It doesn't scan, not to this old-time citizen. 1 1
Redhead14 Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 42 minutes ago, carhill said: AFAIK, shutting down the economy and wholesale clearing out the health care industry to focus on one potential health threat are unprecedented in our history, and in a time when we have far more scientific knowledge and technology to throw at viruses than at any time in our history. It doesn't scan, not to this old-time citizen. What are you saying then? Why do you think the pretty much every country in the world handled this particular virus the way they did? Why did every country's government impose/strongly recommend shelter in place and damage their economies?
carhill Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 I think it's bull shyte and have no problem going face to face with any enemy. Whoever lives gets to write the narrative. Plain enough for you? I'm at an age now where I have zero patience with scum fcking with my life. I've had a lifetime of it. Get over it, people die. We kill people all around the world every day in the name of the USA. The virus kills some too. The world continues turning. 1
SincereOnlineGuy Posted May 10, 2020 Posted May 10, 2020 6 hours ago, carhill said: I think it's bull shyte and have no problem going face to face with any enemy. Whoever lives gets to write the narrative. Plain enough for you? I'm at an age now where I have zero patience with scum fcking with my life. I've had a lifetime of it. Get over it, people die. We kill people all around the world every day in the name of the USA. The virus kills some too. The world continues turning. That's clueless. how about we alter the scenario so that when it comes time for families to die... yours goes first? The implication that all of these so-called young and healthy people should run around trading Covid-19 to bring around to their grandparents so a few of them, and lots of their grandparents can die, is misguided at the very least. Besides, still the only comparison which matters is where the earth/the country/the street we live on would be today had the surrounding society NOT engaged in the quarantining at all, from the start. And still nobody has all of the necessary data to make the comparison. (that no matter how many irrelevant statistics one brings up to somehow imagine that those irrelevant numbers make-up for the one comparison we can't do) (the answer in the minds of many of the morons out there is to obtain that missing data) (in a setting where you cannot win - the best you can do is to avoid losing) 1
Ruby Slippers Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 My mom's 72-year-old sister who had Coronavirus went home from the hospital, so that's good. She had pneumonia at the same time but seems to have pulled through. 3
NuevoYorko Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 On 5/9/2020 at 7:53 AM, Art_Critic said: Don't you find it funny that Covid-19 is closely related to SARS-CoV and some of the areas that have low numbers with Cov-19 have had SARS-CoV in the past? I don't know. There were only 73 reported cases of SARS in the USA and 8439 in the world (slight variance in these stats depending on where they're found). Its spread was limited to a few countries. Compare with COVID-19, with 1,390.475 US cases and 4,297,461 globally and is in all but 16 countries, including N. Korea (very unreliable for reporting, obviously); most of which are tiny Pacific island chains.
Redhead14 Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) It's not just about deaths. It's about the severity of the illness too. Even if someone contracts it and doesn't die, they are seriously ill for some time and recovery is arduous in lots of cases. On top of that, there is permanent lung damage. Even people who are fairly healthy who contract it are going to be out of work (if they are working) for an extended period of time. So if there are lots of cases of people just being sick going forward, productivity is going to suffer, supply chains, ad infinitum. We need to get as good a handle on all this as soon as we can to manage for the future. It's really important to identify who carries it but is asymtomatic. They are the ones who will be spreading it. It's the thousands, or more, of "Typhoid Marys" out there we need to worry about and I am treating everyone around me as if they are Typhoid Mary right now. Edited May 12, 2020 by Redhead14 2
BC1980 Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 It's possible this coronavirus could become endemic to the population like the flu. I've been wearing a mask on my few outings, so I won't be Typhoid Mary. I last took care of a COVID patient on Friday, so I'm still contagious if I have it. One way to truly stop this is for everyone to wear a mask, but I doubt that will happen. 2
Redhead14 Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, BC1980 said: It's possible this coronavirus could become endemic to the population like the flu. I've been wearing a mask on my few outings, so I won't be Typhoid Mary. I last took care of a COVID patient on Friday, so I'm still contagious if I have it. One way to truly stop this is for everyone to wear a mask, but I doubt that will happen. I don't know any place around me that doesn't require a mask for getting service of any kind - gas stations, post office, stores, etc. No mask, no service.
preraph Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 Wish it was like that in Dallas, but ever since it got politicized, some idiots think they're a hero for not wearing one. Yesterday four hundred people gathered for an outside party in a park, hardly any of them wearing masks. The police were there talkin on loudspeakers trying to get them to go home, and a shooter started shooting and shot 4 or 5 people. This is the same community that keeps saying that they need extra everything because they're in low income or underprivileged neighborhoods. And they're creating their own problems.
amaysngrace Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 My daughter thinks she’s spreading it to others. She said they’re trying to locate the host at her hospital but she’s yet to be tested. So far two nurses she’s eaten lunch with tested positive and that’s really the only time they take their masks off. They’ve closed off her floor now. It’s running rampant on her unit, worse than anywhere else in the hospital. Crazy. 1
BC1980 Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, Redhead14 said: I don't know any place around me that doesn't require a mask for getting service of any kind - gas stations, post office, stores, etc. No mask, no service. CVS and Fresh Market are requiring masks. Wal-Mart and Kroger are not requiring masks. I'm not aware of any gas station that is. I live in the South, so it would be really hard to enforce a mask policy here. I half expected to be called a communist yesterday when I went out with one on. I'm wearing one because I think it's irresponsible for me not to. I don't go to big stores, but I've gone out to get a few things. I stay away from people and go at times I know it won't be busy. I've had COVID patients coughing on me, so someone like me really does need to wear a mask when going out. A lot of people around here aren't wearing masks though. I have a dental appointment 2 weeks from Monday, and I'll cancel it if I have to take care of COVID patients between now and then.
clia Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Redhead14 said: It's not just about deaths. It's about the severity of the illness too. Even if someone contracts it and doesn't die, they are seriously ill for some time and recovery is arduous in lots of cases. On top of that, there is permanent lung damage. Even people who are fairly healthy who contract it are going to be out of work (if they are working) for an extended period of time. Can you please provide some support for these statements? Because everything I've seen indicates that 80% of people have mild symptoms. I have five friends who have had it and yes, they were sick, but they were not "seriously ill," did not have an "arduous" recovery, and have no permanent lung damage. The ones who worked from home were even able to continue working while they were sick. I know that a small percentage of people get seriously ill from this, but it isn't everyone or even close to everyone. It seems like you are just trying to scare people.
Redhead14 Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, clia said: Can you please provide some support for these statements? Because everything I've seen indicates that 80% of people have mild symptoms. I have five friends who have had it and yes, they were sick, but they were not "seriously ill," did not have an "arduous" recovery, and have no permanent lung damage. The ones who worked from home were even able to continue working while they were sick. I know that a small percentage of people get seriously ill from this, but it isn't everyone or even close to everyone. It seems like you are just trying to scare people. One very high profile case as an example is Chris Cuomo, Governor Cuomo's brother. My my dear friend's brother-in-law (46 years old), my SO's daughter-in-law (38 years old) and news articles I've read. Although I can't recall which ones. It was a couple of weeks ago. A small percentage is still a lot of people. More people than should have to endure it. And, I'm not trying to scare anyone. I'm trying to impress upon people who keep using death rates to minimize the significance of this event. There's more to it than people dying that's all. Edited May 12, 2020 by Redhead14
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