Novel Coronavirus COVID-19

[Ellener]

1 hour ago, Azincourt said:

People have no concern for the enviroment.

In the US there's a legislation proposal called Green New Deal which aims to tie up the economic survival of the country with environmental issues in future.

It will become very important over the next few months as so many workers and businesses adapt to the effects of the pandemic.

[elaine567]

 

[Azincourt]

Just now, Ellener said:

In the US there's a legislation proposal called Green New Deal which aims to tie up the economic survival of the country with environmental issues in future.

It will become very important over the next few months as so many workers and businesses adapt to the effects of the pandemic.

I hope so. There's only one world - that we know of so far - that can host life, that's planet earth, and we gotta take good care of it.

[Ellener]

59 minutes ago, Azincourt said:

I hope so. There's only one world - that we know of so far - that can host life, that's planet earth, and we gotta take good care of it.

One of the big things to come from all this is the sudden shock factor of what is truly important.

Also that we are all in this together and can come up with solutions which benefit the majority not a tiny minority.

There will be a tremendous amount of 'thinking outside the box' going on all over which we won't know about until later as people scrabble to take charge of both micro and macro situations to manage the pandemic.

Managing the economic recovery needs to encompass a broader picture than leaders have traditionally had to envision, just as FDR did with the Great Depression.

[chillii]

1 hour ago, Gaeta said:

Here when we enter the grocery stores it's only 1 person per family, a security guy at the door has us wash our hands with soap at a sink they installed there, then once our hands are washed another employee is giving us a shopping cart that they sanatize the handle right in front of us. Inside we have marks on the floor to where we need to stand in line, the ailes are also one-ways so we never cross someone. It's very well handled. 

lt sounds crazy extreme but it's all gonna help so to me it's not at all . Never been one full rules and regs myself so anti estab' l don't belong in this world usually but in this case l'm all for it , and we wanna protect the shop workers too. l've really believed from day one with this thing the best thing we can do is live with as much separation as humanly poss'

The hardware l'm using for work has red lines all over the place and a rail at the cash register now but then the other day he leaned over and handed me my stuff with both hands wrapped around the stuff and l'm thinking jezuz man , no use having all this effg lines everywhere if your just gonna go and do that at the end.  Anything l pick up in a shop now l grab from the bottom or some other corner because they would've held the top part of whatever it is putting it on the shelf, then other people would've come along and picked it up and put it back making up their minds like we do normally. Buying beer the other day and some guy grabs one carton , carries it around 5mins looking at other stuff, then put that one back, then picked up two other bottles read them , put them back , then finally he decides on something else and grabs that. Then he goes upto the counter and puts one hand fully flat onto it and stands there leaning for 4ive minutes waiting to be served standing like one person behind people in front of him.

l took out cash the other day and thought hang on , what, don't handle cash, sanitized the notes at home and put it away.  Can't believe me of all people is doing all this stuff but in this case l think it's all a must.

Edited April 7, 2020 by chillii

[Ellener]

@chillii old habits die hard...

which is why it's best to stay home where possible, but so many people can't. I am so appreciative of those people keeping everything going at their own risk.

I've found raising a hand and stepping back and not automatically responding as we normally would helps. I smile so as not to make it hostile or embarrassing. It's something I had to do anyway when I had a bad anxiety response after Harvey, I could not stand people coming too close, grocery stores are very hard because as you say people touch everything. Our stores here seem to have spread things out and gone back to one way in one way out but for a long time the aisles were packed to the max and difficult to avoid people. 

It's a 'numbers game' harm reduction/risk reduction, and getting as close to zero risk as possible as often as possible.

 

[gaius]

A few things going on in the media right now that would be wise to ignore if you want to stay intelligent and ahead of the curve...

1. Any talk at all about how facemasks don't work and should be reserved only for healthcare providers. Wear one.
2. All those projected death and curve figures. They are about as scientific and reliable as an NCAA bracket.
3. Talk about how China is really hiding millions of infections and that's why our officials didn't react properly. Because they were somehow tricked. Please hold both our elected officials and intellectuals fully responsible for their role in this boondoggle of a response. They've earned it.

[mark clemson]

21 hours ago, RecentChange said:

I wear cotton gloves when grocery shopping as a reminder to not to touch my face, phone etc. Gloves come off before I get in my car, then I use hand sanitizer, and then a hot water / soap wash as soon as I get home.

Produce gets washed, packaging disposed of or wiped down with disinfectant. Then counters, front door knob etc get wiped down.

It's a whole damn routine for my every 10 day grocery shopping trip, but better safe than sorry. 

I do something similar and I suspect many other folks do too. It's frustrating and I hate it, but as you say...

I'm a layman, so keep in mind that none of the below is medical advice, just my personal opinions.

My understand that eye coverings such as eye glasses might help by reducing (not eliminating) risk even further when you go out.

Some stuff I don't wash, but let sit for a week in a separate room and then assume the virus is dried out/gone on the packaging.

Even with that and wiping down packaging for anything that's frozen/refrigerated with sanitizer, I still feel the need to wash my hands thoroughly or sanitize them every time I touch refrigerated/frozen packaging. SO annoying, but I do it anyway. I've got kids in the house. I make sure they do it too.

Guess eating at that salad bar a few weeks ago really WAS living dangerously, you just didn't know it at the time.

Maybe OCD actually serves a purpose within evolutionary biology, since we've been getting these epidemics for millenia. Just a thought...

[simpycurious]

19 minutes ago, mark clemson said:

I do something similar and I suspect many other folks do too. It's frustrating and I hate it, but as you say...

I'm a layman, so keep in mind that none of the below is medical advice, just my personal opinions.

My understand that eye coverings such as eye glasses might help by reducing (not eliminating) risk even further when you go out.

Some stuff I don't wash, but let sit for a week in a separate room and then assume the virus is dried out/gone on the packaging.

Even with that and wiping down packaging for anything that's frozen/refrigerated with sanitizer, I still feel the need to wash my hands thoroughly or sanitize them every time I touch refrigerated/frozen packaging. SO annoying, but I do it anyway. I've got kids in the house. I make sure they do it too.

Guess eating at that salad bar a few weeks ago really WAS living dangerously, you just didn't know it at the time.

Maybe OCD actually serves a purpose within evolutionary biology, since we've been getting these epidemics for millenia. Just a thought...

You always seem to have informative posts Mark.  I have even heard of people MICROWAVING their mail.  I am OCD type person in terms how my cars are kept, my house is cleaned, my personal hygiene but the whole CLEANING the mail and packages is pretty wild to me.  Strange times we are living in. I have young nephew who asked me if this would in his history books when I got older.  Interesting question from such a young person but I suspect it will be.

Another interesting story that I was sent yesterday by someone in a very high level position in the athletic world.  The story was about the OSU Football coach wanting or suggesting his football team come back the first week in May.  He said that they were young, generally healthy and COULD FIGHT OFF the virus.  INSANITY 

Edited April 8, 2020 by simpycurious

[mark clemson]

Thanks @simpycurious  just please don't take anything I write as actual medical advice.

[RecentChange]

18 minutes ago, mark clemson said:

I do something similar and I suspect many other folks do too. It's frustrating and I hate it, but as you say...

I'm a layman, so keep in mind that none of the below is medical advice, just my personal opinions.

My understand that eye coverings such as eye glasses might help by reducing (not eliminating) risk even further when you go out.

I wear glasses all the time, and yes eye covering is a good idea.

I am not a scientist either, but I have a good friend who is an absolute bad ass research doctor of immunology (and her biotech company has just shifted to production of Covid antibodies) and she recommended the following back on March 1st.

Granted keep in mind these were tips for riding a public subway.

1. Gloves  - washable gloves that she wears outside of the house. They go on as soon as she steps out of the door, and back off again once she steps inside. 

2. Scarf (or now face mask) to stop larger aresols.

3. Sunglasses, can assist in preventing aresols from contacting the eyes.

4. Eating out - she avoids it in cold / flu season.

5. Shower often / wash coats out clothes. She also recommend wearing and over coat etc when possible.

6. Avoid gyms, libraries etc

7. Sterilize on the fly. Hand sanitizer, wet wipes. 10% bleach on paper towels for DIY wet wipes. 

[simpycurious]

2 hours ago, simpycurious said:

You always seem to have informative posts Mark.  I have even heard of people MICROWAVING their mail.  I am OCD type person in terms how my cars are kept, my house is cleaned, my personal hygiene but the whole CLEANING the mail and packages is pretty wild to me.  Strange times we are living in. I have young nephew who asked me if this would in his history books when I got older.  Interesting question from such a young person but I suspect it will be.

Another interesting story that I was sent yesterday by someone in a very high level position in the athletic world.  The story was about the OSU Football coach wanting or suggesting his football team come back the first week in May.  He said that they were young, generally healthy and COULD FIGHT OFF the virus.  INSANITY 

I will add the football story is not getting rave reviews in the athletic world.

 

2 hours ago, mark clemson said:

Thanks @simpycurious  just please don't take anything I write as actual medical advice.

Noted Mark....thanks for the tips nonetheless

[Ellener]

3 hours ago, mark clemson said:

Guess eating at that salad bar a few weeks ago really WAS living dangerously, you just didn't know it at the time.

 

[Ellener]

@Redhead14 how is your daughter?

[Marc878]

Articles on the UK and Italy socialized health care rationing coming out are disturbing.

Using cost/benefit to determine whether to treat or just terminate.

Apparently the systems are crumbling under the virus.

Essentially the government determines whether you’re worth treatment or not.

[Redhead14]

49 minutes ago, Ellener said:

@Redhead14 how is your daughter?

She seems to be ok right now.  No fever at least.  Hopefully it's just the "regular" flu or a cold or allergies.  Thanks.  It's nerve-racking though.

[amaysngrace]

My daughter just got a phone call from her hospital.  On Friday and Saturday she interacted with a patient who is covid positive.  She had all the proper equipment on and I’m sure it’s just the first of many but wow.

s*** just got real.

[simpycurious]

9 minutes ago, amaysngrace said:

My daughter just got a phone call from her hospital.  On Friday and Saturday she interacted with a patient who is covid positive.  She had all the proper equipment on and I’m sure it’s just the first of many but wow.

s*** just got real.

Does she have to wear an entire BIO Hazard Type Suit?  I hope she's ok Bless Her....she is a brave lady 

[amaysngrace]

She wears standard PPE simpy.  Gown, hair mask, gloves, face mask and shield.  

Thank you for your kind words.  She’s very brave indeed. 

[amaysngrace]

I just texted her, she’s taking a walk on the beach.  When she got the news she called my son, my son told me.  I was outside working in the yard.  

I knew we’d be exposed.  She works in a hospital.  All three of us will be exposed because we all live under the same roof but is it weird that I’m calm about it?  

I mean, this four days later of finding out will come to a halt.  Soon she’ll know they’re covid when she reads their charts at the beginning of her shift.  

I knew we’d be exposed.  But we’re a strong little trio.  We’ve been through a lot together and this is just another thing we’ll survive together.  

I love all my children.  And she’s my hero. 

[simpycurious]

4 hours ago, amaysngrace said:

I just texted her, she’s taking a walk on the beach.  When she got the news she called my son, my son told me.  I was outside working in the yard.  

I knew we’d be exposed.  She works in a hospital.  All three of us will be exposed because we all live under the same roof but is it weird that I’m calm about it?  

I mean, this four days later of finding out will come to a halt.  Soon she’ll know they’re covid when she reads their charts at the beginning of her shift.  

I knew we’d be exposed.  But we’re a strong little trio.  We’ve been through a lot together and this is just another thing we’ll survive together.  

I love all my children.  And she’s my hero. 

She's my hero as well.....now the OSU coach that's trying to get his boys back by May, he is NOT my hero that is one of craziest things that I have seen or heard of in major sports

and I seen a lot.....

[Inflikted]

I ended up going to the ER early this morning (not for corona), and I've been transferred to another facility and may have to get surgery this morning. I'm currently sitting in my hospital bed, horrified that I'll end up with the virus from this, after all the staff I've worked with or been in close proximity with. :/

[K.K.]

@Inflikted Oh wow! Sorry to hear you’re ill, but I’m so glad you went to the hospital! Try to put the main matter at hand- your current illness- and forget about the rest. Hard to do but sometimes you just have to throw up your hands and let whatever will be, just be. Hang tight, be strong and get it done. Good luck! So much good luck to you! 

[amaysngrace]

Since my daughter has already been exposed she’ll be volunteering to work covid tonight.  

They may not take her being as new as she is but she’s going to be volunteering anyway.  

That’s my girl! 

[Inflikted]

I didn't mean any disrespect for healthcare workers. It just seems like this is the worst possible time to need to go to the hospital for any reason, because coronavirus is so easily spread.