preraph Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Dogs need 26 times the exercise people do. I don't like to see any except small dogs in apartments. I moved to a house before I got a dog. It's a priority for me. I love them more than I love anything or anyone. 2
Azincourt Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, preraph said: Dogs need 26 times the exercise people do. I don't like to see any except small dogs in apartments. I moved to a house before I got a dog. It's a priority for me. I love them more than I love anything or anyone. I feel the same way about money. Nothing fills my heart with love like holding a stack of €500 bills. Shame they belong to my rich friends
simpycurious Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, preraph said: If you own a house with a dog door and backyard, they are not very much trouble at all unless they get in poor health. I grew up on an acreage with all kinds of animals, and I knew enough not to get one while I lived in an apartment because it's really not fair to most of them and unless it's a very athletic person, they won't get enough exercise. Also, they shouldn't be alone all the hours people are at work if they can't go outside. So yeah, it's not the best for anyone. You need a home with a yard and a dog door so they can come and go and entertain themselves. Keep the squirrels in line. Yep.....if you have a big house, a dog is a great companion to have and they have plenty of area to roam plus they make it not as lonely Edited March 30, 2020 by simpycurious 1
beatcuff Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 On 3/23/2020 at 8:39 PM, Redhead14 said: And, yet, entire governments are following extreme measures and protocols for this one... What is your theory as to why the entire world is treating this so seriously? but the governments were and are NOT taking this seriously. Trump closed the border to China and was called a 'racist'. We close restaurants but allow grocery stores to remain open --- oh better, now they separate us to go to meat counter then we walk right up to the clerk like it was last year. they shut down jobs --- sort of, the 'essential' list --- i mean maybe it would be shorter just to list who can't (basically retail stores, hair stylist...). then they SUGGEST you stay in your home. have you been on the highways? it is the wild west... city's are actually announcing what crimes they are not going out too?!? and that is the point, they can't police it. On 3/23/2020 at 8:51 PM, 2BGoodAgain said: well, Covid... the number of deaths pales in comparison to seasonal flu... but the rate of mortality is much higher... that's what's causing some of the panic and alarm. and why? for days on end it was 'where are the tests' so they only test suspected cases and we are surprised the mortality rate is high --- because we only tested the real sick... those '80%' with mild symptoms were NEVER tested. the mortality rate for the seasonal flu is so low because they ESTIMATE the number of cases. the same with the swine flu: CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus. 60 million --- that is nearly 1 in 6 USA residents infected --- where was your 'panic'. nothing, because no social media and news stations didn't have to fill their schedule. BTW that is changing, notice the increase in 'feel good' stories. the media is getting bored with this. i wonder if this would be different if it was the corona FLU instead. 1
SincereOnlineGuy Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 Mortality update: In the whole of The Americas: 3165 Corona deaths IN the USA 512 Corona deaths outside of the USA... despite more than twice the population outside the USA 165 Brazil 92 Canada 62 Equador (... since you asked) And Thailand... had the first known case outside of China... back on January 10. They are up to 158 deaths now If this were a repeat of the Spanish Flu from a hundred years ago, you'd be readying for TWO MILLION dead in the USA ALONE based on current population being more than 3x what it was then. But don't even try to guess what this Covid thing could do to Africa in a couple of months. Most countries there reported their first cases in March... and are presently at 1 or 2 deaths per TEN million inhabitants, with the USA presently running at 100 deaths per TEN million inhabitants (with good medical facilities all around). This is but a mere prep for the BIG one someday.
justwhoiam Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, serial muse said: What's frustrating about this statement is that people are not making "faster than light" statements Where were you when they started arguing it was surely natural? Yes, they were quick saying that, even before conducting any study on it. Quote This is not a "both sides" situation. There are no credible scientists claiming it was manmade. None. NONE. So the National Taiwan University and Dr. Chi-Tai Fang, Professor of Epidemiology and Preventive Medicine at the College of Public Health, also in Office of R&D is not a credible and reputable source? He has 147 publications in his name about his researches and studies. I guess you didn't read the text I quoted. Natural recombination is possible, but also lab origin. I'm juat being cautious about some information fed to us too quickly. And some of it has already been corrected along the way, in the span of 45 days. 1
justwhoiam Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 5:27 AM, CautiouslyOptimistic said: Just saw a pic on Facebook tonight of a young friend of mine snuggling with the brand new infant nephew of her girlfrend (so she was also snuggling the newborn). I do not get this. Why are the parents allowing visitors to see their newborn baby??? Maybe the snapshot is from a few weeks back or so?
justwhoiam Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 10 hours ago, Interstellar said: Man, I could really use a puppy or a dog right now. Ugh. I’m jealous of people who have them. Well, where I live that would allow you to walk within 656 ft from your house/apartment, not sure how that would make you happier. Those who have a private garden are lucky right now. i'm lucky enough to have a small terrace I can even dine on. Some don't have that either. 1
Ellener Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 13 hours ago, Interstellar said: Man, I could really use a puppy or a dog right now. Ugh. I’m jealous of people who have them. I wish you had one too, mine is wonderful. I am not going far as the pandemic peaks here, but we walk miles up and down in our little community grounds after everyone else is indoors. Dogs are very positive creatures, always hopeful. No dog food shortage here @preraph Cat litter ran out at first, restocked since. 3
CautiouslyOptimistic Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 5 hours ago, justwhoiam said: Maybe the snapshot is from a few weeks back or so? No, I know all of them well enough to know the baby was just born on Friday.
serial muse Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, justwhoiam said: Where were you when they started arguing it was surely natural? Yes, they were quick saying that, even before conducting any study on it. So the National Taiwan University and Dr. Chi-Tai Fang, Professor of Epidemiology and Preventive Medicine at the College of Public Health, also in Office of R&D is not a credible and reputable source? He has 147 publications in his name about his researches and studies. I guess you didn't read the text I quoted. Natural recombination is possible, but also lab origin. I'm juat being cautious about some information fed to us too quickly. And some of it has already been corrected along the way, in the span of 45 days. Seriously? Some information fed to us too quickly? Whether you think it was too quickly pooh-poohed, does it mean anything to you that groups of scientists took the question seriously enough to examine the genetic material of this virus from all angles, and come to an actual science-based conclusion? Or will you find a way to ignore their work because of what you want to believe? I read your full post. I do not think that you read mine, however. In the span of 45 days, that conspiracy theory has been thoroughly debunked. Does that matter at this point? I really do wonder why people want so badly to cling to the idea that bad things must have been engineered by "those" people rather than naturally occurring; why it's so important to identify a specific bad actor. I'd say it's a pathology, but I know that tribalism is a part of human nature. So I suppose this is the story of human history, and human wars, and human hate. But when people are getting beaten up around the world because of conspiracy mongering like this, I suggest you take a good hard look at your soul. I'm not letting this go because actual real people are getting hurt by this propagation of falsehoods and tribalism. It's not harmless. Edited March 31, 2020 by serial muse 6
amaysngrace Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 People are getting worse hurt by this virus than just a punch in the face. China doesn’t value life amongst their own citizens, do you really think they care about people outside of China? lol 1
elaine567 Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, serial muse said: I really do wonder why people want so badly to cling to the idea that bad things must have been engineered by "those" people rather than naturally occurring; why it's so important to identify a specific bad actor. Because it is a lot easier to process and comprehend something that is man made and likely "controllable", than something that is natural, random and uncontrollable.
serial muse Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, amaysngrace said: People are getting worse hurt by this virus than just a punch in the face. China doesn’t value life amongst their own citizens, do you really think they care about people outside of China? lol This is completely irrelevant whataboutism. How on God's green Earth does the fact that this is a deadly virus contradict anything I've said here? One would hope that humanity has moved at least an inch morally and perhaps intellectually since the 14th century. How distressing. lol indeed. sure. I'm not sure why after all these years on this site I'm still capable of being disappointed. But I am, it seems. Do better, humans. Edited March 31, 2020 by serial muse 4
amaysngrace Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, serial muse said: Do better, humans. Do better indeed. China has been trying to bully their way into our country for years through their methods of supplying 5G, we’ve been denying them. Do you really think that a nation that has the intelligence to create technology that enables it to spy on the entire world isn’t capable of manifesting a virus that is designed to look natural rather than man-made?
Azincourt Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, amaysngrace said: People are getting worse hurt by this virus than just a punch in the face. China doesn’t value life amongst their own citizens, do you really think they care about people outside of China? lol yeah, but China values the dollar and the Euro. They're trying to look like they care about us, but have you guys figured out that a brand new market was just opened by China to make billions by selling us the medical equipment we need to survive the virus that they accidently created. Quote China has been trying to bully their way into our country for years through their methods of supplying 5G, we’ve been denying them. And don't forget about the tik tok app. It's a backdoor for the chinese governement to gain information on it's users. Quote Quote Do better, humans. Quote Yeah, China could start by creating basic human rights in China. Edited March 31, 2020 by Azincourt 1
Tamfana Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 21 minutes ago, serial muse said: One would hope that humanity has moved at least an inch ... perhaps intellectually since the 14th century. Well, we did get Darwin in the meantime.
Happy Lemming Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 Arizona has issued a "stay at home" to go into effect today (03-31-20) at 5:00pm.
preraph Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Ellener said: I wish you had one too, mine is wonderful. I am not going far as the pandemic peaks here, but we walk miles up and down in our little community grounds after everyone else is indoors. Dogs are very positive creatures, always hopeful. No dog food shortage here @preraph Cat litter ran out at first, restocked since. My dog spent two hours laying in wait in the office last night because she smelled a rat or mouse or something. Never seen her stay at it so long, but I did train her last year to catch rats, but thought she had decided not to anymore since she hasn't since she caught two back then. Anyway, I had to ask her to come to bed. That's very unusual.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 10:29 AM, elaine567 said: And why wouldn't they think that? Animal viruses tend not to make the leap to human to human transmission. I guess plenty people in Wuhan had links to the market whether they were eating wild life or not. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I blame the US/UK Govts far more for the mess we are now in. They protected the economy, were slow off the mark to act and have put us all in great danger. b/c we had other viruses that jumped from animal to human in recent history.. perhaps? This isn't hindsight 20/20... it's happened before and we're not talking about ancient history here.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 16 hours ago, beatcuff said: but the governments were and are NOT taking this seriously. Trump closed the border to China and was called a 'racist'. We close restaurants but allow grocery stores to remain open --- oh better, now they separate us to go to meat counter then we walk right up to the clerk like it was last year. they shut down jobs --- sort of, the 'essential' list --- i mean maybe it would be shorter just to list who can't (basically retail stores, hair stylist...). then they SUGGEST you stay in your home. have you been on the highways? it is the wild west... city's are actually announcing what crimes they are not going out too?!? and that is the point, they can't police it. and why? for days on end it was 'where are the tests' so they only test suspected cases and we are surprised the mortality rate is high --- because we only tested the real sick... those '80%' with mild symptoms were NEVER tested. the mortality rate for the seasonal flu is so low because they ESTIMATE the number of cases. the same with the swine flu: CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus. 60 million --- that is nearly 1 in 6 USA residents infected --- where was your 'panic'. nothing, because no social media and news stations didn't have to fill their schedule. BTW that is changing, notice the increase in 'feel good' stories. the media is getting bored with this. i wonder if this would be different if it was the corona FLU instead. it honestly could go either way.... you're right that they're estimating the number of cases, versus actually testing... and since the actual tests out number the actual cases of infected persons... the numbers may be skewed... but since we don't know, they're siding on caution... we'll have actual closer to reality estimates after the fact, but rather than take the risk of it being a really bad death count, they're doing this... i agree that some of this is hysteria.... but it's one of those things that you won't know if it's hysteria until after it happens.
amaysngrace Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Azincourt said: Yeah, China could start by creating basic human rights in China. It boggles my mind how lost this very simple fact gets whenever people argue on behalf of the Nation of China. From their iPhones no less. I get it, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But seriously? Too much emotion and not enough reason is a common phenomenon with some unfortunately, especially when that emotion is hatred. It’s even worse when they hide behind the shield of self-proclaimed love. They really can convince themselves of it too. Crazy. 1
elaine567 Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: b/c we had other viruses that jumped from animal to human in recent history.. perhaps? Animal to human happens, but animal to "human to human" is a lot rarer.
Azincourt Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 17 minutes ago, amaysngrace said: It boggles my mind how lost this very simple fact gets whenever people argue on behalf of the Nation of China. That's because people get their iphones x and their adidas and nike shoes from the factories of Chinese children working 16+ hours shifts, being paid little to nothing, and being forced to work for the owners of those factories until the day that they die. Who cares that people die so that a handful of mega rich profit, as long as they get their luxury items to make themselves feel like they are better and richer than the next guy? Everything is produced in China. Only time I've ever come across a product that wasn't made in China was when I visited Angola and got me there a football cap, but that's because no one wants Angolan football caps, so they can't outsource the production to China. 17 minutes ago, amaysngrace said: From their iPhones no less. I get it, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But seriously? Too much emotion and not enough reason is a common phenomenon with some unfortunately, especially when that emotion is hatred. It’s even worse when they hide behind the shield of self-proclaimed love. They really can convince themselves of it too. Crazy. Exactly. It's all about profit with these late-stage capitalistic nations and people, all that matters is making as much money as possible. What's hilariously sad is that money isn't even real. If the huma nspecies vanishes over night - you think bears and crocodiles are going to start using the dollar or the euro? 2
Ruby Slippers Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 I have a pet peeve about Coronavirus: people's judgment about how other people are handling it. All over the internet, including on this forum, I've seen people making caustic, judgy comments about people and how they're getting around, whether they're staying with their significant other or not, etc. I understand that troubled times can bring out people's anxieties and negativity. But it irks me that some people are being so judgmental about how other people conduct themselves and their business. Helpful suggestions are one thing. Snarky judgmental comments about what people are doing or not doing is another. I know that my comment here won't change it - just airing my grievance.
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