justwhoiam Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gaeta said: Canada Today's figure by age, diagnosed with covid-19 Can you report deaths numbers?
Gaeta Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, justwhoiam said: Can you report deaths numbers? We have 30 deaths as of today. The deaths are people that were at risks or were aged but the government does not give age and location.
carhill Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 https://data.vcstar.com/coronavirus/ Shows 27 for CA so close. Timeline slider is helpful. Mexico continues to impress.
mark clemson Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Azincourt said: Honestly I have the feeling this virus is a man-made biological weapon to bring down the western world, but what do I know. I'm just a random guy on the internet. I read an article about how bats have large numbers of these corona viruses circulating and mutating in their various populations (ie, specific large caves with lots of bats). They, unfortunately, are a breeding ground for these kinds of viruses and there are a lot of them in China. That means the origin of this in bats that people were eating is plausible (not that I will pretend to know the truth with certainty). Unfortunately it ALSO means that China has access to LOTS of potential bio-weapons similar to this virus. Of course, as we have seen, unless your country is completely shut off from travel, a virus like this is very much a double-edged sword. (And even if you're shut off there is always smuggling or covert ops.) So there's that at least. What's even worse is the potential for this virus to get in the hands of biohackers (they are a thing now) and potentially used for terrorism or simply to kill people and disrupt normal life. Some people think this way, unfortunately. Yay, humans!
pepperbird Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 51 minutes ago, BC1980 said: Someone who knows someone told me that they know a person who got a prescription of Plaquenil to keep on hand just in case. I find that so unethical if it's true. I'm using Imuran ( apothiozine) and it has a similar effect. I agree with you about that being unethical. I have always some extra, but it's just in case the pharmacy runs out or I'm too sick or tired to go get it.
pepperbird Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, mark clemson said: I read an article about how bats have large numbers of these corona viruses circulating and mutating in their various populations (ie, specific large caves with lots of bats). They, unfortunately, are a breeding ground for these kinds of viruses and there are a lot of them in China. That means the origin of this in bats that people were eating is plausible (not that I will pretend to know the truth with certainty). Unfortunately it ALSO means that China has access to LOTS of potential bio-weapons similar to this virus. Of course, as we have seen, unless your country is completely shut off from travel, a virus like this is very much a double-edged sword. (And even if you're shut off there is always smuggling or covert ops.) So there's that at least. What's even worse is the potential for this virus to get in the hands of biohackers (they are a thing now) and potentially used for terrorism or simply to kill people and disrupt normal life. Some people think this way, unfortunately. Yay, humans! Virus come form all sorts of places, and species. I realize it's not the same, but a few years ago, my younger duaghter got really sick. We took her to the ER, and after a bunch of testing, they told us she had somehow come down with a type of influenza that counts seals (?) as it's natural non-human resivior. I don ;t recall her being aorund anyone who was sick or any seals, but I guess he must have been,.
carhill Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 Some science history... https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/82/4/1899.full.pdf
NuevoYorko Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 On 3/24/2020 at 12:55 PM, 2BGoodAgain said: agreed. we don't know exactly what happened in Wuhan other than what has leaked out or the "official" story by the chinese gov't. We have good knowledge of many aspects of what went on in Wuhan and what kind of results were achieved. I don't know where you live, but the Chinese are pretty much helping the world right now , successfully, thanks to their own experience. The US has become so insulated and anti-science, as well as being strongly against helping any other nation. "America First" and "unfair unfair unfair" have accomplished what was intended. In the past, the administration would have been prepared (so would an average Boy Scout troop) to step up for this country and at the head of efforts to help other countries. I liked it. 3 1
NuevoYorko Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 23 hours ago, Gaeta said: US Stock Market is bouncing back up! It's caused by more serious measures being taken in the US to fight the coronavirus. Morgan Standly warns though, if those measures are stopped too early the market will plunge again because lifting the isolation meaures too early would be worse and the curve would peak even higher. Re: Cnn business section. I'm afraid I don't agree. I think it bounced because "the market" is happy that trump and some of his followers are talking about things like "exchanging" the lives of 60 + year old people for THE ECONOMY, and trump himself waxing poetic over packed churches on Easter. Because Easter is very special. Very special. This is enough to stimulate the optimistic attitude of "buy low sell high" in contrast to "run for your lives." 1 1
littleblackheart Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) It's not inhuman have concerns over how you're going to feed your family, on top of everything else. WHO says this'll hit countries worse than the 2008 bankers' crash, and Kantar published a report saying 70% of the 7 wealthiest countries will see an income decrease. It'll impact a lot of people in a lot of different ways mid to long term, and it's fair to acknowledge it. It's just that saving lives is more important, and much more urgent. Edited March 25, 2020 by littleblackheart 2
NuevoYorko Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, justwhoiam said: It's an hoax. Yes, it's entertaining to Google that. Evidently the same fate supposedly happened to a morgue worker in Texas, Illinois, Michigan, the list goes on. Also, the hantavirus plague supposedly unleashed by evil Chinese upon their own people and the world is also BS. China is guilty of a lot, including a cover up & propaganda campaign, but some entities (the Jack Ma Foundation for example) have already extended some help to other countries, the US being one of them. I would not be surprised if China is skewing reported COVID stats. I've had moments of suspicion about the possibility of the US doing the same thing. These are based on trump's public statement about wanting to keep the cruise ship from docking to keep the "numbers" the way he liked them. The recent talk about packed churches on Easter and everybody except "high risk" Americans going back to business as usual will certainly benefit from some numerical support as well. I hope I am just being paranoid. Edited March 25, 2020 by NuevoYorko 2
pepperbird Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, justwhoiam said: Can you report deaths numbers? so far, it's almost all travel related, but that could change to community spreadhttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/ 1
BC1980 Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, pepperbird said: I'm using Imuran ( apothiozine) and it has a similar effect. I agree with you about that being unethical. I have always some extra, but it's just in case the pharmacy runs out or I'm too sick or tired to go get it. You have a reason to have it though. This person was allegedly prescribed this med to have it "just in case." The person doesn't have COVID-19.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 20 hours ago, Gaeta said: So it varies from State to State? Our list is much shorter. No restaurants, dentists and vets are only available for serious emergencies, manufactures are down except for those converting to making hand sanitizers and medical devices, etc. apparently so..... but as i was reading down the list... i wondered... damn, that's a lot of people going to work... lol.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 20 hours ago, Gaeta said: You made an opinion of our health system based on 1 story. I made 1 trip to the US, I visited Jackson Mississippi, should I make an opinion of the US based on that visit......I don't think so. 1 actual story, and dozens more of others who experience the system from a medical device, doctor in a hospital, and several directors in charge of various radiology/surgery departments view point, and various others i interacted with during my 8 yrs at a particular job... that one story is just an example i used. Oh, and there's Uncle Bob.... i rather not get into uncle Bob... i think i'm traumatized. lol.
2BGoodAgain Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, NuevoYorko said: We have good knowledge of many aspects of what went on in Wuhan and what kind of results were achieved. I don't know where you live, but the Chinese are pretty much helping the world right now , successfully, thanks to their own experience. The US has become so insulated and anti-science, as well as being strongly against helping any other nation. "America First" and "unfair unfair unfair" have accomplished what was intended. In the past, the administration would have been prepared (so would an average Boy Scout troop) to step up for this country and at the head of efforts to help other countries. I liked it. Are you being serious? it's b/c the chinese HID this virus for so long that it got out of control.. remember when they adamantly denied human to human transmission? As their own doctors would get infected, etc? We went by that, and found out..oh wait... they LIED. Pls, let's not rewrite history here. the chinese are helping the world? after they screw the world over... you mean... let's not forget how this started in the first place. 1
suladas Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, 2BGoodAgain said: Are you being serious? it's b/c the chinese HID this virus for so long that it got out of control.. remember when they adamantly denied human to human transmission? As their own doctors would get infected, etc? We went by that, and found out..oh wait... they LIED. Pls, let's not rewrite history here. the chinese are helping the world? after they screw the world over... you mean... let's not forget how this started in the first place. China offering help right now is like shooting someone and saying here's a band-aid. Never mind the fact that China may have released this all in a plan and the reason they are over it now is because they have a vaccine for it. I don't believe a single thing China does. And frankly the rest of the world needs to cut as much ties as possible with them after this. Edited March 25, 2020 by suladas
suladas Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 10 hours ago, pepperbird said: The question that still needs to be answer is who is going to pay for all this and how? I know that's not a palatable thought right now, but consider what happens when. your budgets are strapped.. Two emergency departments in my province announced today that they will have to close their doors indefinitely but it's not due to the virus. It's due to chronic issues like doctor and staffing shortages, budget shortfalls etc. That effectively means that a chunk of the population here has no real access to health care, as the walk ins are now closed. Add to that now everyone with even a slight cough is heading straight to the ERs in the larger communities and we have manufactured a crisis that could have been much better handled. you're supposed to call 811 beforehand, but the time "on hold" to talk to a nurse right now is about an hour, and the call back can take three or four. People who are sick with other diseases are starting to get tuned away at the hospitals. Even some chemo appointments have been cancelled or postponed, and my younger daughter's treatments for her autoimmune disease have been stopped for now because she can't be in the hospital to get them. We've been warned that due to the price tag associated with fighting this virus, the rest of out health care system will suffer. There's only so much money in the pot, and like anyone else, doctors and other medical staff want to make a living. If our budget is strapped, how are we supposed to offer them that? This disease will come and go, and 99 percent of the population will still be here, needing health care and other services. Who will pay for that? Gasoline prices have dropped dramatically-we're paying about 70 cents a liter right now, so we will be bringing in less fuel tax income to help fund health care. I understand why governments are offering financial assistance to those in need but if this virus is going to be around for the long haul, that may not be sustainable. The idea that we can just shut the economy down for the most part and everything will be hunky dory makes no sense. Will governments have to borrow and go into even more debt? What;s the long term implications of that? Right now, it's a mess, and for the life of me, I can't understand how that happened. Don't governments prepare and have contingency plans for a pandemic? It's not like they haven't happened before. The truth of the matter is doesn't have to be such nonsense. From a public health standpoint, it's just plain stupid to have people who may or may not be sick with a disease that is contagious to congregate in ERs when they don't have to be. Realistically, the majority of the people who get sick with the virus will be just fine, but they are scared. Cramming them all into ERs that are already overcrowded doesn't make a lot of sense. i'd like to see testing done in people's home by someone who is highly trained in infectious disease control. it could also serve as a sort of screening to make sure that they can be cared for at home and don't need to be in the hospital and also how the individual/family is coping. There's talk now about taking public transit off the road. I don't know if that will happen or not, but if it does, that's going to hit people hard. Even some of the shelters for men and women fleeing domestic violence have closed their doors for the next few weeks. Come on now, you can just keep borrowing forever and let the next 4-5 generations pay off the debt. That is the turds plan. Never mind there's nothing to help small businesses. $2k a month for someone who runs a business? Waste of time. Many have $10k-20k a month in expenses that won't be put on hold when the economy shuts down.
amaysngrace Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 Campgrounds in my county are being asked to push back opening day from April 15th to May 11th. So far one third of our cases are from people who traveled here from someplace else so it’s a good statistic to use atm, even if the number of tourists only amounts to two.
mark clemson Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, suladas said: Come on now, you can just keep borrowing forever and let the next 4-5 generations pay off the debt. That is the turds plan. Well, technically true, but you also let 2%/year inflation gradually erode away the "value" of the debt. 50 years X 2%/inflation = most of it "gone" via everything costing more. Then you issue more debt using the magical backstop of the Federal Reserve, the chairman of which is appointed by the President, ha ha. Works, in theory, so long as you can actually manage inflation and deflation. EU and China have been catching on. Will it eventually result in a collapse? Maybe, maybe not. The US can, if necessary, print the money to pay back the debts. It sort of is/sort of isn't already via the Federal Reserve (see above). The things that will collapse it (total loss of faith in the gov't or massive hyperinflation or massive deflation, often co-occurring) would probably collapse a less "engineered" economy too. So, maybe it's ok? Hard to say. Is it genius or madness. Dunno. Austrian school economists don't like it, that's for sure. "Conservatives" seem cool with it so long as 2/3 branches of gov't are Republican, ha ha. Maybe they just don't get it, dunno. Dems sure don't it would seem. So, $2T can appear like magic to be doled out to whomever needs it. Woo-hoo! Forget "capitalism" and actual "free markets", they don't work during a pandemic, everyone loses their job and we get another Great Depression. This is a form of socialism, don't kid yourself. Being able to spin $2T out of thin air is certainly convenient at a time like this, that's for sure. I'll take my share, thanks Uncle Sam! YMMV... Edited March 25, 2020 by mark clemson
justwhoiam Posted March 26, 2020 Posted March 26, 2020 So, 11,500 deaths in Iran, they don't have resources to save lives. 11,500 Deaths Due to Coronavirus in Iran
SincereOnlineGuy Posted March 26, 2020 Posted March 26, 2020 5 hours ago, NuevoYorko said: the Chinese are pretty much helping the world right now , successfully, thanks to their own experience. LOL - is it "helping the world" that China keeps sending inaccurate and misleading data and understanding about the virus created there? According to China, there have been a whopping "1641" newly identified cases of coronavirus there since March 2, in what is the largest country on earth. From Feb. 11 to March 2: 37,356 new cases reported by China (Wuhan went on lock-down January 23) Now did they stop counting for good at some point??? China has also done studies to suggest that there have been ten times as many actual cases as the numbers which have been reported, and yet those people just officially disappeared (much like prominent Chinese political figures tend to do). India, of similar size, has 657 confirmed cases as of now, with their entire population also on lock-down. Now you just monitor by what factor the numbers grow exponentially in India despite this lock-down. It has been China's usual and absurd faults from the very beginning which created and fostered this virus to the detriment of the entire planet. 1
justwhoiam Posted March 26, 2020 Posted March 26, 2020 2 hours ago, SincereOnlineGuy said: LOL - is it "helping the world" that China keeps sending inaccurate and misleading data and understanding about the virus created there? Yeah, we can't believe: - China, because she started having cases back in November and started registering deaths on Jan 22. Quite unlikely. Also, because now people who were sent home from hospitals or shelters have been sent home because they resulted negative, but these people have symptoms again. And because 21 million mobile users are not using their accounts/phones anymore. Some Chinese sources estimate the total deaths are around 1 million. - India, because they don't have tests, and they have 1.3 billion people. They can't have a lockdown, many people don't have a home, they live in the streets. 285 million people below poverty line, most of which with no place to go. - Iran, as they're not saying they had around 11,500 deaths - Japan, they are not disclosing data as all the other countries... Most Asian countries are not transparent.
NuevoYorko Posted March 26, 2020 Posted March 26, 2020 7 hours ago, 2BGoodAgain said: Are you being serious? it's b/c the chinese HID this virus for so long that it got out of control.. remember when they adamantly denied human to human transmission? As their own doctors would get infected, etc? We went by that, and found out..oh wait... they LIED. Pls, let's not rewrite history here. the chinese are helping the world? after they screw the world over... you mean... let's not forget how this started in the first place. The Chinese are putting forth notable humanitarian efforts worldwide. Shipments of masks, tests, ventilators HAVE been received, doctors from China have arrived. There is no doubt that there is a heavily political angle to doing so. I don't think I mentioned anything to the effect that their reporting was reliable. They have an admirable propaganda mill going on. But I'm not going to be joining y'all in the hate / blamefest against China or in stewing in conspiracy theories. Yes, the virus started there. It probably could have started elsewhere just as well. 1
Libby1 Posted March 26, 2020 Posted March 26, 2020 There were a couple of people being interviewed on the news this morning who are stuck in high rise flats with small children who don't understand why they can't go out to play. It must be a nightmare, but my thoughts in particular go to people who live in violent households. A lot of people were making jokes before the lock in about stocking up with booze...but while a glass here and there is fine, it's scary to think of people sitting indoors dealing with the stress of this by getting tanked up. 1
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