justwhoiam Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 To add insult to injury, now a Chinese lawyer with a government position (so backed by Chinese government) is suing the U.S. claiming it might have been their army that brought the virus to China. So now they're blaming Americans. I guess this might cause more than just frictions between governments and lead to something more serious. Chinese people are starting to act up. A man said this is not a natural disaster, rather a man-made pandemic. For quite some time, Chinese authorities have told everyone that the virus couldn't spread among humans. They covered it up. 1
Azincourt Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 Honestly I have the feeling this virus is a man-made biological weapon to bring down the western world, but what do I know. I'm just a random guy on the internet.
justwhoiam Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Azincourt said: Honestly I have the feeling this virus is a man-made biological weapon to bring down the western world, but what do I know. I'm just a random guy on the internet. Or a human error from a lab. Or a disaster bound to happen...
pepperbird Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 15 hours ago, Azincourt said: Nah. At least $2000 per person, a month, until the virus is destroyed. $4000 per household, a mom and a dad. The question that still needs to be answer is who is going to pay for all this and how? I know that's not a palatable thought right now, but consider what happens when. your budgets are strapped.. Two emergency departments in my province announced today that they will have to close their doors indefinitely but it's not due to the virus. It's due to chronic issues like doctor and staffing shortages, budget shortfalls etc. That effectively means that a chunk of the population here has no real access to health care, as the walk ins are now closed. Add to that now everyone with even a slight cough is heading straight to the ERs in the larger communities and we have manufactured a crisis that could have been much better handled. you're supposed to call 811 beforehand, but the time "on hold" to talk to a nurse right now is about an hour, and the call back can take three or four. People who are sick with other diseases are starting to get tuned away at the hospitals. Even some chemo appointments have been cancelled or postponed, and my younger daughter's treatments for her autoimmune disease have been stopped for now because she can't be in the hospital to get them. We've been warned that due to the price tag associated with fighting this virus, the rest of out health care system will suffer. There's only so much money in the pot, and like anyone else, doctors and other medical staff want to make a living. If our budget is strapped, how are we supposed to offer them that? This disease will come and go, and 99 percent of the population will still be here, needing health care and other services. Who will pay for that? Gasoline prices have dropped dramatically-we're paying about 70 cents a liter right now, so we will be bringing in less fuel tax income to help fund health care. I understand why governments are offering financial assistance to those in need but if this virus is going to be around for the long haul, that may not be sustainable. The idea that we can just shut the economy down for the most part and everything will be hunky dory makes no sense. Will governments have to borrow and go into even more debt? What;s the long term implications of that? Right now, it's a mess, and for the life of me, I can't understand how that happened. Don't governments prepare and have contingency plans for a pandemic? It's not like they haven't happened before. The truth of the matter is doesn't have to be such nonsense. From a public health standpoint, it's just plain stupid to have people who may or may not be sick with a disease that is contagious to congregate in ERs when they don't have to be. Realistically, the majority of the people who get sick with the virus will be just fine, but they are scared. Cramming them all into ERs that are already overcrowded doesn't make a lot of sense. i'd like to see testing done in people's home by someone who is highly trained in infectious disease control. it could also serve as a sort of screening to make sure that they can be cared for at home and don't need to be in the hospital and also how the individual/family is coping. There's talk now about taking public transit off the road. I don't know if that will happen or not, but if it does, that's going to hit people hard. Even some of the shelters for men and women fleeing domestic violence have closed their doors for the next few weeks.
pepperbird Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, justwhoiam said: 1. China is now infected with hantavirus transmitted by rodents. I can't take that. No, I really can't. Let's isolate China for heaven's sake. It's a total s-ithole. 2. Japan finally announced they're postponing Olympics to next year. Thank goodness. Venice was smart enough to cancel the Carnival, just imagine what would have happened if they had held it. Crowds from all over the world... So very wise decision. Plus, many athletes can't exercise right now. hanta virus has been around since the 1950's. there are outbreaks almost every spring. its not new, and it's spread by rodents like rats or mice and their droppings. A variety of the disease cna be found in the USA, and it's spread by deer mice. You're going to be fine.https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/index.html 1
justwhoiam Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 The number of Chinese people suiciding in Wuhan hasn't been disclosed. Lack of food led many residents to jump off from buildings. Some said it's because of lack of treatment as well. Several videos have been circulating. This has been happening for a month. Some dark humor would have me say: that's why there are less deaths from Covid 19 in Wuhan.
pepperbird Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 15 hours ago, littleblackheart said: I agree. It's perfectly fine to complain about it. The psychological / mental implications of this will be real, as I said upthread. OCDs will rocket, we'll be used to 'no touch', people will have lost loved ones while in isolation, jobs will be lost, there will be physical damage too from staying inhouse for too long, those who live as part of household are constantly in each other's faces, teleworking is frankly awful, exhausted frontline staff, family crises... but at the same time, staying home means saving lives, so we better get used to it, for the greater good. My question, and this may vary depending on where you live, will it cause more harm than it solves? here even shelters for men and women escaping domestic violence have been closed, the homeless shelters have closed and food banks are following suit. I'm in he high risk group, so avoid crowds, etc,. anyway. I'm used to it. If it meant others could get back to their lives a bit sooner, I'd be happy to continue to self isolate.
Gaeta Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, pepperbird said: My question, and this may vary depending on where you live, will it cause more harm than it solves? here even shelters for men and women escaping domestic violence have been closed, the homeless shelters have closed and food banks are following suit. Pepperbird: I am flabergasted at what I am reading. I heard New Brunswich was in big trouble and it was caused by people not listenning to recommendations? We are in full isolation here but all emergency services are kept open like shelters, bank food, etc. I have to specify though that my Province started the year with a considerable surplus. Are the other Maritimes Province in trouble as well? We closed our NS office Friday, I am not hearing any horror stories from our employees there yet.
justwhoiam Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 Chinese new cases are now officially underreported. Some residential blocks cancelled the lockdown and then they were put on lockdown again. Residents say many people are having symptoms again (that would mean reinfections are possible), but not allowed to report them. Meanwhile, medical personnel are leaving the region, though the local government of Hubei province wants them to stay, because a lot of the patients who left the hospitals have symptoms again. The outpatients departments in hospitals have stopped taking in patients with a fever. Those patients are instead sent to the makeshift shelters. All of this seems to be happening as companies were told they can resume working after 40 consecutive days of zero cases. So I guess twisting numbers is an appealing option.
justwhoiam Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 In Wuhan testing was cheap and quick, taking 15 minutes and costing less than $40.
littleblackheart Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, pepperbird said: My question, and this may vary depending on where you live, will it cause more harm than it solves? here even shelters for men and women escaping domestic violence have been closed, the homeless shelters have closed and food banks are following suit. I'm in he high risk group, so avoid crowds, etc,. anyway. I'm used to it. If it meant others could get back to their lives a bit sooner, I'd be happy to continue to self isolate. I know what you're saying. There are many drawbacks to confinement for a lot of at risk, vulnerable, already marginalises groups or individuals. I saw that first hand. My local food bank collection trolley was randsacked only last week. These people are forgotten about the rest of the year too, the community groups that help them are made up of volunteers and funded by private donations generally, not the state, in a lot of countries. In the UK and France, they are considered 'essential services' at this moment, but it's tricky to keep them running when volunteers themselves are affected or on quarantine. There are no easy answers to this, is what I'm trying to say I guess. At this point, gvts have been reacting to a crisis with no back-up plan. Maybe this will be a wake-up call to try and consider the welfare of as many people and ensure precedures are put in place so a crisis like this doesn't grind the world to a halt and force medics to prioritise ER cases over others... For now, I guess all we can do is do our bit to stop this thing spreading as much as we can in the next few weeks, with the resources we have in our personal circumstances.
carhill Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 Nevada..... https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-nevada/sisolak-signs-restriction-order-for-2-drugs-1990149/ https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/nevada-order.jpg
pepperbird Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Gaeta said: Pepperbird: I am flabergasted at what I am reading. I heard New Brunswich was in big trouble and it was caused by people not listenning to recommendations? We are in full isolation here but all emergency services are kept open like shelters, bank food, etc. I have to specify though that my Province started the year with a considerable surplus. Are the other Maritimes Province in trouble as well? We closed our NS office Friday, I am not hearing any horror stories from our employees there yet. so far, we've got two emergency rooms closed ( that's due to staffing shortages unrelated to the virus and are typical) and many not for profit, including emergency shelters, are closing their doors. One food pantry that's remained open is in urgent need of volunteers, and is delivering pre-made meals. I can't help them in person as I;m not supposed to go out, but I've been able to lend a hand in other ways. One of our city's seed stores is still open, but has set up a system where people can order and have their seeds/soil etc. delivered out to their vehicle. That may not sound important, but for people who are really stressed, being out in their garden can make a big difference. An issue that's coming up here is the mixed messaging. Provincial parks are closed, but provincial trails are open. A little bit of clarity would be nice. I Now NB has been hit hard and most of CFB Gagetown has been stood down. I don;t understand why they couldn't use the barracks and used PMQs as temporary billeting for those returning to the country and need to quarantine. If I remember correctly, they did that down at CFB Trenton and it worked well.
Beendaredonedat Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, carhill said: Nevada..... Something else you can blame Trump for. He should never have gone on camera and said that these drugs MAY work and that they have been used for years and won't kill you BEFORE they were tested. It would be good, at this point, if Trump just let the experts man the podium with updates. Its discerning to see the good doctors on that task force try to fact check him on the spot without offending him and being banned for contradicting him so they hae to do it so he doesn't even realize he's been corrected. SMH Edited March 25, 2020 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Fixed quote 2
Happy Lemming Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 6 hours ago, justwhoiam said: Grubhub has lots of places delivering in AZ, but maybe not in small towns. Too bad. We have plenty of food and I like to cook, so I don't think we would need grubhub. We are only leaving the house to pick up my girlfriend's prescriptions from the pharmacy. If there was a pharmacy delivery service that would be fantastic, but in my small town that doesn't exist. Presently, we are waiting for the pharmacy to call. Two of her three medicines have come in, the third is due in today, they are going to call us when it is ready. At that point, I'll put a mask and gloves on her and send her in to pick up/pay for the prescriptions. When she comes out of the store, we'll wash her hands with soap and water on the parking lot, utilizing a gallon jug of water and some good liquid soap. That is probably the best we can do to avoid getting the virus. We've been "hunkering down" since last Saturday, so about 12 days. So far... so good. 1
pepperbird Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, littleblackheart said: I know what you're saying. There are many drawbacks to confinement for a lot of at risk, vulnerable, already marginalises groups or individuals. I saw that first hand. My local food bank collection trolley was randsacked only last week. These people are forgotten about the rest of the year too, the community groups that help them are made up of volunteers and funded by private donations generally, not the state, in a lot of countries. In the UK and France, they are considered 'essential services' at this moment, but it's tricky to keep them running when volunteers themselves are affected or on quarantine. There are no easy answers to this, is what I'm trying to say I guess. At this point, gvts have been reacting to a crisis with no back-up plan. Maybe this will be a wake-up call to try and consider the welfare of as many people and ensure precedures are put in place so a crisis like this doesn't grind the world to a halt and force medics to prioritise ER cases over others... For now, I guess all we can do is do our bit to stop this thing spreading as much as we can in the next few weeks, with the resources we have in our personal circumstances. One of my clients is a clearinghouse for not for profit fundraisers. These gorups really pick up the slack when it comes to social services, etc., but pretty near all the fundraisers, etc,. have been cancelled for the foreseeable future. Who will fill in those gaps? Many of these groups depend on fundraisers for the daily operating budget, and may be forced to shut their doors. Who will pick up this slack? It's also a blow to everyone from event planners, to caterers, the hospitality industry and food service workers. Large events are a bad idea right now, so what are they to do? My guess is they will join the ranks of the unemployed. If you can spare a bit of money, consider donating it. My child credit/disability tax credit amount will go up next month, but we don't really need it. I've mad. arrangements to donate the excess to the Salvation Army. It knows how to feed and care for lot of people in times of emergency. Edited March 25, 2020 by pepperbird 1
pepperbird Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 oh btw, if you take immunosupressants, and you can get your hands on some more, you may want to consider making sure you have enough on hand for the next little while. My pharmacist called today to give me a heads up.
Gaeta Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, pepperbird said: My pharmacist called today to give me a heads up. There is no uniformity in this country. I am just coming back from the pharmacy and there was a big sign saying no one will be allowed to get more than their 30 day dosage medicine.
littleblackheart Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, pepperbird said: My guess is they will join the ranks of the unemployed. Gvts will have to bail businesses out (already done in some countries). Of course there's no way of knowing how businesses will use their bailout (as in, it might not necessarily go where it's needed). Workers in countries with strong workers' rights and unions will fare better than others is my guess.
justwhoiam Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 Some data from Italy (updated to yesterday). Deaths from Covid 19: Age Deaths 30-39: 14 40-49: 46 50-59: 191 60-69: 606 70-79: 1960 80-89: 2221 >=90: 503 CASES Asymptomatic: 5.9% (contacts of an infected have been tested too) Symptomatic (unspecified): 16.6% Paucisymptomatic: 11.2% Moderate: 41.0% Severe: 20.8% Critical: 4.5%
carhill Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 Non-essential? Stay open? No power? https://ktla.com/news/coronavirus/mayor-garcetti-expected-to-hold-daily-briefing-on-l-a-s-covid-19-response/
SincereOnlineGuy Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, justwhoiam said: Some data from Italy (updated to yesterday). Deaths from Covid 19: Age Deaths 30-39: 14 40-49: 46 50-59: 191 60-69: 606 70-79: 1960 80-89: 2221 >=90: 503 Total: 5541 49.1 % aged 80 and up 84.47 % aged 70 and up (it's getting slightly younger - perhaps because it can't really get too far in the other direction) 1% under age 50 (which is little more than an invitation for the conduits to keep spreading the news) 7 minutes ago, justwhoiam said:
BC1980 Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, pepperbird said: oh btw, if you take immunosupressants, and you can get your hands on some more, you may want to consider making sure you have enough on hand for the next little while. My pharmacist called today to give me a heads up. Someone who knows someone told me that they know a person who got a prescription of Plaquenil to keep on hand just in case. I find that so unethical if it's true.
Gaeta Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 Canada Today's figure by age, diagnosed with covid-19 Under 19 : 4% 20-29: 11% 30-39: 16% 40-49: : 16% 50-59: 17% 60-69: 17% 70-79: 9% 80+ : 5%
Beendaredonedat Posted March 25, 2020 Posted March 25, 2020 If that's true, the doctor that prescribed it should lose his license.
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