RainyDayWoman Posted September 15, 2005 Posted September 15, 2005 strangely enough...i don't get the feeling alpha is looking to fall head over heels, he has simply found a way to snag some hot chicks that would not normally give him a second look. and it works for him. good for you, alpha. no offense to women (i am one) but if there is a woman stupid enough to fall for this kind of thing, she shouldn't be surprised by the result. i mean, for lack of a better word, duh...women see right through these kinds of games; they just choose to ignore them or try to believe someone actually has enough interest to call them after 4-6 weeks. it's either "what a jerk, he waited that long to call me" or "oh, how sweet, he remembered me after all this time!"
housebaby Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 This has happened to me before - and it worked ... for awhile. It also workes both ways. It's the thrill of the chase. If you know you have something, it isn't a challenge anymore and therefore not very exciting. I lose interest if the guy is too over-bearing, and the less attention I get, the more I want. It's sick but true. Can't there be a happy medium? a guy who has his own life, and lets you have yours - but is still available enough to care?
kitkat826 Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 Ok, KAT23, but what if the guy tells you up front that he's gonna be real busy and will call you within the next 3 weeks. Then, even if he calls you 21 days later he still called within the time-frame he gave you and you cannot be mad. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no legitimate excuse in my eyes why a man could be sooo busy for THREE or MORE weeks that he couldn't call me once. You are not my dentist, I am not making an appointment. When you meet someone you like, they dont just get added to the bottom of your "to-do" list. If you are interested in me, you will call me. Perhaps you don't want to jump the gun and so wait a couple of days. Thats cool, just act right when we do meet up. Perhaps you never actually call me in the time you said you would; thats cool too, you've just shown me the proof I need to know you are an a**h*** so I can move on. But to have the nerve to tell me to my face that you will call within a couple of weeks? What?!? The women you are dealing with are either happy to get casual sex just like you, or are so emotionally weak that they fall for you scheming. Either way, its nothing to really be proud of.
Mary3 Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 Alpha " Would you call your strategy* playing games *? These strategies you use are tearing at the moral fabric of good women who have been honestly hurt by the things you have done and suggested . Yes I know ,I know , its great for you and it works and you read 63 articles on how to seduce , keep , screw royally and captivate women and do the Don Juan 100 ways of rules to snag a women. Did you ever stop to think that you have hurt any of these girls ? You know, waiting 3 weeks to call a girl that really likes you ? All of the things you said ? I think this has been played on me numerous times and we get just as * sharp * and quick as you do after awhile.. We know when you just want a good piece of booty. We know when the phone does NOT ring. We know we are being gamed. We are being played. We know if you are a loser by your actions. We know you wait for something better after you try to use us up by playing with our heads. We know 1+1 =2.. Guess what ? We have a better strategy then your strategy : The rules : If you want to have meanlingless 5 minute sex with someone like you, then the girl should go ahead. If she does not want to get played or gamed , she needs to *not* think you care ( as you pretend ) and keep her legs closed. You must have been messed with by many women Alpha. Did you know there are girls out there that are not cruel and shallow ? Some that really want something special and we have to wade through the muck of people who are devoted to all the games. Games : I wont call her ` that means I sound interested . I will ignore her for 12 days and then she will get needy for me and start calling. I will then see her one time and ignore her for a month. I will hardly spend time with her lest she think I care at all... We know them all. I love this site. Thank you for giving me a few more tips for users Alpha...
lindya Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 Yes I know ,I know , its great for you and it works and you read 63 articles on how to seduce , keep , screw royally and captivate women and do the Don Juan 100 ways of rules to snag a women. As long as they're convinced it works, there will be some men (and women, by the way) who use these tactics. Not much you can do about it, so the best thing is to focus on not being an easy mark. Regarding formulas - what was that Will Smith film where he advised men on how to win the women they wanted? I thought that captured the essence quite nicely. Gameplans are perhaps fun for some men to talk about - and maybe they make others feel more in control of the dating process, but really if you want to win 100% of a real, live heart then you need more than a gameplan. You need a real, live heart of your own.
Author alphamale Posted September 16, 2005 Author Posted September 16, 2005 Of course I must admit the guys I end up falling into a "realtionship" with are the ones that do not pay me all the attention and are emotionally unavailable to me, hum. So if a guy was going to want me in a realtionship I might fall for his crap, So NYASA....you went on this big tirade about how you don't fall for this krap but then you admit above that you do fall for it. WTF! The scenarios I talked about can be used to get sex and/or a relationship with a woman. But you do admit that it works...
lookit Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 That's really nice...wonder why you are single? I am probably going to be single soon, and you are exactly what I am afraid of. Too bad, you seem intelligent from your other posts.
Author alphamale Posted September 16, 2005 Author Posted September 16, 2005 Alpha " Would you call your strategy* playing games *? No These strategies you use are tearing at the moral fabric of good women who have been honestly hurt by the things you have done and suggested . I don't agree MARY3 cause women are actually much better at playing "games" than men are...I'm just trying to even the playing field. Did you ever stop to think that you have hurt any of these girls ? Sometimes... You know, waiting 3 weeks to call a girl that really likes you ? If I told her up front i'd call her within the next month then it is OK I think this has been played on me numerous times and we get just as * sharp * and quick as you do after awhile.. Probably...past experience is a great thing....but you forget, MARY3, that women work more off of "feelings" and "emotions" than men do. And any man who can learn to manipulate a womans feelings and emotions will be very successful with them. After all, women manipulate men all the time... We know when you just want a good piece of booty. We know when the phone does NOT ring. We know we are being gamed. We are being played. We know if you are a loser by your actions. We know you wait for something better after you try to use us up by playing with our heads. We know 1+1 =2.. Yes, I agree that women KNOW all the above. Unfortuantely, when a guy comes along who can make them feel feel feel then all this gets thrown out the window and the womans emotions and feelings get the best of her and she stops reasoning... You must have been messed with by many women Alpha. Nope Did you know there are girls out there that are not cruel and shallow ? Some that really want something special and we have to wade through the muck of people who are devoted to all the games. Unfortuantely for me, MARY3, most of these women don't reside in the U.S. There are many in other countries, however.... Games : I wont call her ` that means I sound interested . I will ignore her for 12 days and then she will get needy for me and start calling. I will then see her one time and ignore her for a month. I will hardly spend time with her lest she think I care at all... The above works much better than calling a woman 4 times per day and smothering her and doing everything she says. Read some of the posts on this thread from other females backing me up. We know them all. I love this site. Thank you for giving me a few more tips for users Alpha... You're welcome MARY3
lookit Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 You meet some bird at a bar or whereever and get her phone number. Bird? I hope you are kidding.
Author alphamale Posted September 16, 2005 Author Posted September 16, 2005 You meet some bird at a bar or whereever and get her phone number. Bird? I hope you are kidding. "Bird" is a term used in England to denote a female. Just like "chick" is used in the United States....
elijahBailey Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 men play games and so do women. we all do so to a certain degree. Like...."shall I call tonight", "what kinda excuses do I give for this thing I've done", "will saying this make me look stupid", "will saying this jack up my stock value".... Come on, we all do these things and we're, inadvertently, really trying to be someone we aren't. Some do it more blantantly, and some more subtlely so what does that say of us all? most women have confessed a total disregard for the pushovers, for the emotion-filled, for the "nice guy" male. And most men hold disdain for the needy, possessive, overly-jealous types of women. I bet if we all behave the way we inherently are, most men aren't gonna get no booty and most women won't be getting any long-term relationships. So we modify our behavior to minimize the chance of us getting scammed. That's just the way our society is today, and we either wise-up or get screwed.
tanbark813 Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 eB, you make a good point. The women in this thread get all offended at the idea of guys playing games to get some ass, but they themselves have caused that. If you call too soon: "Oh, he's desperate and clingy. Next." If you call too late: "What a jerk. Next." If you show too much emotion: "Geez, what a wuss. I want a MAN! Next." If you show too little emotion: "He's such an insensitive pig. I feel neglected. I'm going to go bang this other guy and then... Next!" A fine line it is to walk with women and rare is the man who can achieve such a thing naturally.
JS17 Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 EB & TB - The problem with what you're both saying is that you take the conglomerate of women and the same for men. Some women don't like a guy that shows a lot of emotion but some do. Some want the guy to call her right away and some want space. Also, some men want a woman who is on the needy side and some men want a very independent woman. There are degrees to all of these personality atributes and characteristics in everyone and when you play games you're hiding your personality. If there are no games then you will find the right match for the degree of all of these characteristics that work well for you, and vice versa.
Nyasa Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 So NYASA....you went on this big tirade about how you don't fall for this krap but then you admit above that you do fall for it. WTF! The scenarios I talked about can be used to get sex and/or a relationship with a woman. But you do admit that it works... I should have been clearer on that. I just meant as much as we gals don't fall for that crap in the single dating scene, once we find ourselves in a relationship with someone we are fond of it's amazing how much **** we will put up with and how we allow ourselves to be treated. We know better, but after we get into something serious with someone we sort of lose the strength and wisdom we thought we had to continue looking through rose colored glasses that comes along with being in love. I think women aren't so eager to give up when things start to feel wrong and they tend to put their whole self into a man and a realtionship, we let the things we are so adamant about having before getting into a relationship go up in smoke b/c we LOVE you and do not want to let go. I guess I was just trying to point out the irony of how as single women yes we can see the games and we don't fall for the disrespect, BUT once you have us in a relationship we let it all go out the door and make a million excuses to ourselves and to others as to why he isn't the "perfect" gentleman. We keep hanging on and for some reason we women like to torture oursleves with the drama and guys like you would take advantage of that b/c you know we are hooked and it will take us a lot to move on! In any case what this all comes down to is you should treat all women with respect and honesty! Yes, we can be vunerable in many situations b/c often women let their hearts rule over their minds, BUT knowing that does not mean you should take advantage of that! There are pleanty of women who will just want sex too, so seek those girls, I know the chase is fun, BUT is it worth hurting someone's feelings and disrespecting someone. Would you want some guy to feel or do these things to your mother, sister or close female friend? Remember those girls our someone's mother, sister and close female friend and they cherish and love them, so why in the world would want you want to hurt someone and tarnish a bit of their self-respect for your selfish needs. Go grab a magazine and some hand lotion.
ReluctantRomeo Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 Originally Posted by JS17 EB & TB - The problem with what you're both saying is that you take the conglomerate of women and the same for men.. Nice try. Some women don't like a guy that shows a lot of emotion but some do. Maybe some women do fall into one or the other category, but I think many women want the best of both worlds. A strong guy, yet bizarrely soft and sensitive on the right occasion. Usually advanced telepathy is required to divine which option fits the current occasion Chick flicks and romantic novels have a lot to answer for. If there are no games then you will find the right match for the degree of all of these characteristics that work well for you, and vice versa And if we all are nice and trusting there will be no more war or poverty and we'll all live happily together with Father Christmas and the Easter Bunny
elijahBailey Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 If there are no games then you will find the right match for the degree of all of these characteristics that work well for you, and vice versa. yeah right, that ain't gonna happen anytime soon
elijahBailey Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 what tanbark and RR said. And.... No offence but seriously, women, in general (better put this in before I get smacked) are emotional creatures. And emotions changes all the time. Yeah, you want a nice guy today, but tomorrow you decide your nice guy falls short where macho-ness is concerned. And scamming (in the sense that we don't act needy or dependent and make ourselves a wee bit unavailable) works because the primal instinct in a woman is to want a man that she cannotdominate. This is pretty bewildering with women because even they don't realize this themselves Some get swept away by the romance novels, but upon their landing on earth, they find out the extraterrestrial males the novels depict don't exist on our planet. Men will be men, sorry ladies.
tanbark813 Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 Exactly. They may have been generalizations but I have known of girls who went back and forth about what they wanted. One ex I had I was pretty standoffish with (it was right after a really bad breakup with a previous girl so emotionally I was very closed off). She wanted me to open up more. But then after we broke up, her next bf was SUPER sensitive and she complained all the time about it. My last ex once told me that if I ever have a problem with her just bring it up and don't let it fester. So I started doing just that. It was not long before she told me to stop. You just can't win... Honestly, I think women just want something to complain about. They can't stand it if there's nothing to complain about.
RecordProducer Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 Both scenarios are BS. If they work then they work with desperate women who want ANY man or an untouchable man. The first case have happened to me many times and as Arty said, I ignored the guys, didn't even reply to their emails, because I considered them unreliable and unserious. Only a woman with little self-esteem and self-respect will give such guys a chance. And usually those are the women who are not the best catch (for sex). Plus lies are ugly, because you train yourself to play stupid games and you get addicted to a type of behavior which will follow you in your serious relationships too. Don't tell me you'll be honest once you meet Miss Right. Besides, as Balzac has said: "Does not one who lie deny his dignity?" When you lie like a dog, you feel like a dog. Lies mean you are ashamed of yourself, you can't get anything by using your qualities, but you need to use manipulative strategies in order to get something. The hard work you suggest is humiliating too. Instead I suggest you something that really works in many cases. When a woman is really interested in a guy and wants a relationship, she will most likely NOT sleep with him right away. However, all the women who are open to one-night stands will sleep with a guy who is cute but not relationship material. They will use him for sex. So what you need to show her is that you are not relationship material. You may say you're in love with someone else or not ready for love or will move to another country next month (if you are addicted to lies ) or you can simply be honest and say that you want just sex. She will give up on you right away when she hears that and if she is into no-love sex, you will bang her on the first date. Believe it or not, the less we like you the more prone we are to giving you sex right away. Of course, a certain dose of physical attraction must be present. But if you act like a knight, show off your humor, intelligence, good heart, make good money, etc. women will want you for more than sex. The beauty of no-love sex is in the mutual consent. Only then it's erotic and clean. Otherwise it is followed by doubts, feelings of guilt and rejection; and if the woman feels betrayed, you will not enjoy having sex with her. In cultures like Germany, Holland, Scandinavia, people meet in a disco and sleep on the first night, because it's perfectly clear to both of them that it's a ONS and nothing more. And finally, if you lie, you risk more to get some woman pregnant and unexpectedly become a daddy!
Author alphamale Posted September 16, 2005 Author Posted September 16, 2005 Both scenarios are BS. If they work then they work with desperate women who want ANY man or an untouchable man. Thats bullkrap RP...they work on many women of all types. Actually a number of times I got puzzy was when I showed interested then blew them off for a month or two and then contacted them again. Of course, I had a pretty good idea they liked me to begin with.... Only a woman with little self-esteem and self-respect will give such guys a chance. And usually those are the women who are not the best catch (for sex). Once again you are wrong RP...these scenarios work on the best women who have the most guys hounding them day and nite. Plus lies are ugly Lies are ugly but we all tell them, some more than others.... , because you train yourself to play stupid games and you get addicted to a type of behavior which will follow you in your serious relationships too. Don't tell me you'll be honest once you meet Miss Right. Who is 100% honest? Not even a nun is 100% honest. Lies mean you are ashamed of yourself, you can't get anything by using your qualities, but you need to use manipulative strategies in order to get something. The hard work you suggest is humiliating too. Then everyone walking the face of the earth is ashamed of themselves. So if a fat woman i work with asks me "does this dress make me look fat?" then I should answer "yes"? Instead I suggest you something that really works in many cases. When a woman is really interested in a guy and wants a relationship, she will most likely NOT sleep with him right away. I have slept with a # of women on 1st date and ended up in relationship with them for 3 months, 6 months, whatever....every woman is different. or you can simply be honest and say that you want just sex. She will give up on you right away when she hears that and if she is into no-love sex, you will bang her on the first date. very few women want casual sex...especially once they get older than 30. you know it and I know it. it is fact. Believe it or not, the less we like you the more prone we are to giving you sex right away. Wrong again....most women's criteria for a man for casual sex are same as their criteria for a man for a long-term relationship or marriage. In cultures like Germany, Holland, Scandinavia, people meet in a disco and sleep on the first night, because it's perfectly clear to both of them that it's a ONS and nothing more. You're mainly talking about young people who are very attractive and very stupid....Few old and ugly people can go to disco and find someone for ONS
JS17 Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 Damn, and I thought I was bitter. Maybe it's time for me to head off of LS before it starts rubbing off. lata
Art_Critic Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 Alpha must not be getting any from his gf
whichwayisup Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 Who is 100% honest? Not even a nun is 100% honest. Betcha most nun's masterbate! They'll just never tell...
lindya Posted September 16, 2005 Posted September 16, 2005 Alpha must not be getting any from his gf That's the way I read it too
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