28 year old guy - should I completely ignore dating for about 10 years???

January 26, 2018

didn't answer the question. What possible requirement am I not satisfying??

You really think I look 35 with the shorter stubble?? I feel like I look more about 32. Why wouldn't a 28 year-old girl want an attractive early 30s guy??

pic with shorter stubble https://s17.postimg.org/wiy0bs4un/20180126_134447.jpg

you didn't answer my question about your city either

but ok--the point is that you are not satisfying it. Because it doesn't matter that you are or are not all of those things, the market is not buying it, i.e. you cannot find a girlfriend despite trying. I thought you were supposed to be the intelligent one here

I said you look 38 TBH. Even if someone thinks you look your age or 32, the market STILL is not buying. So let's say looks are not the problem. I submit it is mostly the personality (sorry, mike and whatever your other screen name was before). I don't particularly find you not good looking, i.e. you are fine for the right girl and if you had a great personality and were not arrogant and uptight, you should not have too much of a problem finding someone. Therefore one must deduce that the personality is the problem & you are overvaluing yourself in the market--because your OWN results show exactly that.

January 26, 2018

You keep saying that these women you do like, within the age you like, are looking for something more perfect than you. You even described the tyoe they want.
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character is hugely important to me

I come from old school middle eastern values. We do anything for the benefit of friends and family

we are ferociously loyal

our word is never broken

family is everything

very similar to Italian culture. I actually really want an Italian/Middle eastern/Spanish girl because of this reason. They have similar values to our people

January 26, 2018

Based on your pic, your looks and style aren’t the issue. So, that means the issue is your personality or you don’t ask women out.

How women in your desired age range have you asked out in the past month?

Why haven’t you ever had a relationship before? If quietness/shyness is your issue, practice talking to everyone regardless of age or gender every time you’re in public.

Have you actually tried online dating or are you going by what you’ve read? If you haven’t tried it, try it.

It seems like bars aren’t your thing since you can’t get a date there, so you need to try other things like meet up groups and activities. If you like dogs and have the time for one, get a dog and you’ll meet tons of people when you’re walking it. You’ll meet dog owners and non-dog owners, kids, men and women; but be sure that you love dogs and can take good care of one first.

I would maintain where you’re at physically and ditch the plan to gain more muscle and weight. You spend enough time in the gym, you need to try new things to meet women.

Do you talk to these women and ask them out or do you just assume that they don't want anything to do with you?

So, there are three women you’re attracted to at your gym and it sounds like you haven’t even talked to them let alone asked them out. This is your problem, not your looks, not your hairline, not your beard, not your shirt choice; the problem is you don’t ask out women.

So, how many women have you asked out in the past 6 months?

how many decent looking women my age have shown any interest in me last 6 months? 0. I've approached a fair amount and all were completely repulsed by me so I walked away before I got a nasty rejection

January 26, 2018

Just because these other guys are AT your gym does not mean that those women want to date them.

Newsflash: not every woman in the world thinks big muscle bound jocks are desirable.

If you never speak to these women you will never know if they would have gone out with you.

In response to my post about my clueless buddy you insisted that you are good at reading the signs. This post about the allegedly better looking guys at the gym tells me you are lousy at it. You have some sort of self esteem / envy issue going on because you want to be the All-American blonde football hero from every cliché rom-com & all 1950s TV. Because you are not, you have decided you are imperfect. There's an inherent disingenuousness about you that certain women pick up on & that turns them off. With these older women you don't want, that side of you doesn't come out because you don't care about them.

January 26, 2018

how many decent looking women my age have shown any interest in me last 6 months? 0. I've approached a fair amount and all were completely repulsed by me so I walked away before I got a nasty rejection

What made you believe they were repulsed by you?

January 26, 2018

there are multiple 6'4 260 lb super huge male model handsome guys at my gym

Why would they settle for mediocrity? I am mediocre compared to those men

A cute and super fit 28 year old girl is getting hit on 24/7. She is looking for a guy who is 1 in a million perfect. I understand that personality is very important but plenty of those guys have good personalities too. I've talked to a couple of those dudes at my gym and they were super nice.

You have a very surface-y and superficial view of the world which i would say is one of your top problems. It's also making you insecure. I actually wouldn't be interested in a bulging muscle 6'4 260 guy on those facts alone so they don't have a edge over you on those facts with all girls. Lots of girls think like i do. If you meet a threshold of attractiveness, then we are considering the rest of you. This is where you are falling short, not your height or your muscles.

January 26, 2018

If you never speak to these women you will never know if they would have gone out with you.

yes but the odds are overwhelming against me

A cute 28 year old girl with a great figure is the absolute top of the social hierarchy. If I am in say top 5% of men appearance wise, she wants top 0.00000000000001%. Does that make sense??

you have some sort of self esteem / envy issue going on because you want to be the All-American blonde football hero from every cliché rom-com & all 1950s TV. Because you are not, you have decided you are imperfect. There's an inherent disingenuousness about you that certain women pick up on & that turns them off. With these older women you don't want, that side of you doesn't come out because you don't care about them.

this is an interesting point

I actually enjoy my foreign background and dark features. I love my olive complexion all year round. I am very Americanized but I have a European side to me also

I am just looking at this dating stuff from a strictly fact based perspective.

January 26, 2018

there are multiple 6'4 260 lb super huge male model handsome guys at my gym

Why would they settle for mediocrity? I am mediocre compared to those men

A cute and super fit 28 year old girl is getting hit on 24/7. She is looking for a guy who is 1 in a million perfect. I understand that personality is very important but plenty of those guys have good personalities too. I've talked to a couple of those dudes at my gym and they were super nice.

Did you conduct a survey of women at the gym?

January 26, 2018

You have a very surface-y and superficial view of the world which i would say is one of your top problems. It's also making you insecure. I actually wouldn't be interested in a bulging muscle 6'4 260 guy on those facts alone so they don't have a edge over you on those facts with all girls. Lots of girls think like i do. If you meet a threshold of attractiveness, then we are considering the rest of you. This is where you are falling short, not your height or your muscles.

the 3 girls at my gym I'm talking about look like this

https://www.beautymuscle.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/katya-elise-henry-1465014718p48cl.jpg

You might not be into 6'4 260 but I guarantee you she is

January 26, 2018

So. that woman looks like she'd go out with you.

Try having genuine conversations with people before you conclude that they are going to reject you & are repulsed by you. I'm telling you -- you are reading something wrong here.

January 26, 2018

yes but the odds are overwhelming against me

A cute 28 year old girl with a great figure is the absolute top of the social hierarchy. If I am in say top 5% of men appearance wise, she wants top 0.00000000000001%. Does that make sense??

Not really...even going by this incorrect, frankly crude theory you got going on here. You said that you were looking for your equal. A person needs to be in the top 5% if they are to be your equal. That means the top 0.00000000000001% are going to pass on her for the top 0.00000000000001% of women, so she will find her way naturally down to you.

January 26, 2018

the 3 girls at my gym I'm talking about look like this
https://www.beautymuscle.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/katya-elise-henry-1465014718p48cl.jpg

You might not be into 6'4 260 but I guarantee you she is

You're making sweeping generalizations based on a small sample.

If women like in that pic is your target, there's your problem... not many women look like that.

If women in that pic are not your target, no point talking about them and what you THINK they want.

January 26, 2018

What made you believe they were repulsed by you?

their body language and energy

they were all very VERY irritated by my presence. I didn't say anything weird or unusual either - just normal friendly conversation. I don't say weird pickup lines or anything sexual. I don't care about getting laid

Maybe I just need to wait until 35 and look for like a 34 year old? lots of people have kids late 30s nowadays

ive wanted a girlfriend since I was 16 to no luck at all. What's another 6 years gonna hurt??

January 26, 2018

So. that woman looks like she'd go out with you.

based on what??

She would laugh at me if I approached her and then tell all her friends about how some creeper douchebag asked her out. A girl that attractive is looking for unbelievable perfection

January 26, 2018

their body language and energy

they were all very VERY irritated by my presence. I didn't say anything weird or unusual either - just normal friendly conversation. I don't say weird pickup lines or anything sexual. I don't care about getting laid

Maybe I just need to wait until 35 and look for like a 34 year old? lots of people have kids late 30s nowadays

ive wanted a girlfriend since I was 16 to no luck at all. What's another 6 years gonna hurt??

Your issue is becoming more and more apparent to me with each post. It has nothing to do with how you look, how much money you make, how nice you are, etc. In my opinion those are all things you put forth to mask the real issue. You have low self-esteem and won't approach women because you think they are irritated by your presence. That makes no sense. Why would a nice, friendly pretty 28 year old woman be irritated by the presence of a nice, friendly 28 year old man?

January 26, 2018

You're making sweeping generalizations based on a small sample.
If women like in that pic is your target, there's your problem... not many women look like that.
If women in that pic are not your target, no point talking about them and what you THINK they want.

Tons of girls at my gym look like that. It's not that difficult to find but no, I don't require someone that attractive

that's a 10/10. I'm okay like a 7/10 If that makes sense

January 26, 2018

A cute 28 year old girl with a great figure is the absolute top of the social hierarchy. If I am in say top 5% of men appearance wise, she wants top 0.00000000000001%. Does that make sense??

You give waaaay too much importance to appearance. Yes, the girl in the pic looks nice but is that all that’s important? I’m sure you appreciate a woman with good values and a strong character so shouldn’t that also be factored into your math?

January 26, 2018

Not really...even going by this incorrect, frankly crude theory you got going on here. You said that you were looking for your equal. A person needs to be in the top 5% if they are to be your equal. That means the top 0.00000000000001% are going to pass on her for the top 0.00000000000001% of women, so she will find her way naturally down to you.

women date up in society

men date way down

January 26, 2018

You give waaaay too much importance to appearance. Yes, the girl in the pic looks nice but is that all that’s important? I’m sure you appreciate a woman with good values and a strong character so shouldn’t that also be factored into your math?

character is hugely important to me

I come from old school middle eastern values. We do anything for the benefit of friends and family*

we are ferociously loyal*

our word is never broken*

family is everything*

very similar to Italian culture. I actually really want an Italian/Middle eastern/Spanish girl because of this reason. They have similar values to our people. The girl in picture is Spanish

January 26, 2018

Your issue is becoming more and more apparent to me with each post. It has nothing to do with how you look, how much money you make, how nice you are, etc. In my opinion those are all things you put forth to mask the real issue. You have low self-esteem and won't approach women because you think they are irritated by your presence. That makes no sense. Why would a nice, friendly pretty 28 year old woman be irritated by the presence of a nice, friendly 28 year old man?

I don't think most women enjoy being approached at all or men talking to them at all so I don't think it's just my fault. Obvious exception here is if you're a perfect 10 - all rules go away.

I would probably have better luck if I met these girls through friends but I'm never gonna meet who I want through a friend

January 26, 2018

women date up in society
men date way down

Not really. You could say men sleep down and women sleep up. But people tend to date their equals.

What gym do you go to were a ton of girls look like justin beibers model ex dam no wonder you have body images issues

January 26, 2018

based on what??

She would laugh at me if I approached her and then tell all her friends about how some creeper douchebag asked her out. A girl that attractive is looking for unbelievable perfection

Not necessarily. I don’t think I’m the greatest looking guy but when it’s come to looks, I’ve always punched above my weight. Yes, you can and should approach her. There’s a whole lot more to attraction than just physical appearances and you should use that fact to your advantage.

January 26, 2018

character is hugely important to me

I come from old school middle eastern values. We do anything for the benefit of friends and family*
we are ferociously loyal*
our word is never broken*
family is everything*

very similar to Italian culture. I actually really want an Italian/Middle eastern/Spanish girl because of this reason. They have similar values to our people. The girl in picture is Spanish

Exactly my point. So why have you put these women on a pedestal by calling them the top 0.000001% when you know nothing about their personality? I bet you feel inferior to beautiful women and that in itself is a turn off.

January 26, 2018

Not really. You could say men sleep down and women sleep up. But people tend to date their equals.

What gym do you go to were a ton of girls look like justin beibers model ex dam no wonder you have body images issues

there are 20 girls at least at my gym who are insanely perfect shape. I've never approached any of them- I didn't want to be the standard gym douche hitting on a girl and making her feel awkward as ****.

Tons of huge ripped very handsome guys too... most of them are super chill. I know everybody at my gym

I've had much better luck making friends at my gym. I can do that quite easily. Tons of the guys at my gym want to hang out with me all the time. The girls are much much much much much harder of course

January 26, 2018

Exactly my point. So why have you put these women on a pedestal by calling them the top 0.000001% when you know nothing about their personality? I bet you feel inferior to beautiful women and that in itself is a turn off.

I don't have them on pedestal- society does

A very cute 27 year old with a nice figure could live at home with her parents and make 8 bucks an hour at McDonald's and still have more dating options in a day than I will have in a lifetime even with everything I've accomplished and will continue to accomplish.

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