HansA Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 Hi there. I am a 43 year old single man with no kids. I am from Norway. I am interested in a 27 year old single Ukrainian woman with no kids. She is college educated in Economics, is a only child, has both parents. I am looking to hear from other who am or trying or have tried to date Ukranian women. You should be from Europe, best is from Scandinavia. Americans can also reply. C'mon on people, give me some feedback. Want to know your experiences.
Lorenza Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 Have in mind many Ukrainian women will do anything to get out of the country and find a rich sponsor. If you're ok with that, go for it. But don't delude yourself. My father is also dating a Ukrainian woman and we're in Scandinavia (though not born here). These women are mostly looking for financial benefits and someone to help them settle down abroad.
CptInsano Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 I know a couple of Ukranian women in the US. Their view on relationships seems to be a bit more traditional, which doesn't mean that they're only looking for money, but they are definitely looking for husband material, and are not exactly shy about it. I know of a few solid marriages, but husband and wife are of a similar age. In your case I would ask yourself what the 27yo would want from you. The most likely answer is a better life for her kid. This doesn't exclude a romance, but you should be aware of what that means and where her priorities likely will be.
Author HansA Posted November 7, 2017 Author Posted November 7, 2017 I am interested in a 27 year old single Ukrainian woman with no kids. is a better life for her kid. She has no kids...
CptInsano Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 She has no kids... Sorry, I misread your initial post. Just keep your eyes open on what you are getting into.
carhill Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 Welcome to LS. What do you want to know? Get on a plane, go visit her over the holidays and see how it goes. Normal dating stuff. Pick up a few simple gifts for her parents. I usually brought the lady's mother flowers when meeting the parents. Which part of Ukraine does she live in? Do either of you speak the others language(s)?
Author HansA Posted November 7, 2017 Author Posted November 7, 2017 Sorry, I misread your initial post. Just keep your eyes open on what you are getting into. Yes, I am very aware. She is real. Talked on NatashaClub.com. Found her again on Facebook and VK.com. Did 6-7 weeks of chatting. Do follow her profiles. She has photos from her childhood too on VK. And her mother has a profile there too.
Author HansA Posted November 7, 2017 Author Posted November 7, 2017 Welcome to LS. What do you want to know? Get on a plane, go visit her over the holidays and see how it goes. Normal dating stuff. Pick up a few simple gifts for her parents. I usually brought the lady's mother flowers when meeting the parents. Which part of Ukraine does she live in? Do either of you speak the others language(s)? She lives in Chernigov/Chernihiv. No, I only speak norwegian or english. She speaks russian and ukranian. Not sure about her level of english speaking. But, she writes english OK. I would not be interested if she did not write english too good. Meeting her parents on the first trip there? Isn't that too soon?
Highndry Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 I used to work with a guy who actually did the mail order bride type thing, and married one! He went through a website, paid a lot of money, traveled there and met several potential women, chose the one who he seemed most compatible with (she was divorced with two older teenage children), and then left and continued the communication for almost a year before she moved to the USA and they married. They are very happy, and she is a loyal woman to him, doting on him. She's not one of those raving beauties, but a very plain woman. He used to tell me that I had to do it, they would love a guy like me and that they have the traditional values and feel spoiled by the smallest of gestures. His wife had never even eaten out in a restaurant her entire life. They were poor. When he was getting to know her over there, she took him to a free park and fed him a picnic of food that she made. It was a neat story, actually. I'm sure there are horror stories, too. Lastly, she was extremely frugal and was definitely not into his money.
carhill Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 Family is very important in the FSU. If parents live locally it's not uncommon to meet them. Mother got flowers and father got a bottle of vodka which of course was opened and we'd drink and solve the world's problems. Language will be an issue. How good are you at communicating through body language and expression? That helps. Learning some Ukrainian/Russian also helps. I used a wonderful interpreter I met on my first trip and she was key in both communicating as well as steering me away from problems. If you meet, most likely she'd meet you at the airport in Kiev. Chernihiv isn't that far away. I found meeting made things real. If the lady is serious, it'll go well. Else, she'll disappear. IMO, always have a plan B. If she can travel to Norway, that's also an option, as is meeting in a neutral country. IME, I always visited the lady in her home country mainly due to logistics (distance and visas mostly) but your situation may differ. What I typically did was rent an apartment and use it as a base and meet any lady I was in contact with as well as enjoy the local scene. If things went sideways, it was easy to meet other people. I usually stayed in-country for 2-3 weeks per visit. So, no Norwegian ladies who tickle your fancy?
coolheadal Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 She lives in Chernigov/Chernihiv. No, I only speak norwegian or english. She speaks russian and ukranian. Not sure about her level of english speaking. But, she writes english OK. I would not be interested if she did not write english too good. Meeting her parents on the first trip there? Isn't that too soon? You have spoken to with you voice and her voice or have you done video chat it's free with What'sapp, Skype and Facebook Voice/Video Chat. Before you head out make sure you know who your dealing with and that she's real.
NuevoYorko Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 Once you are sure your connection with her is strong and you have faith that she is representing herself honestly - same from her side as well - go visit her and see how it is in person. I don't agree that women who are looking for a man to help them move to a new country and change their lives for the better are "gold diggers." The do have a goal, though, and it's a pretty big responsibility to provide every single thing for a person from another country who has nothing of her own in a new land. I'm talking about social interaction, friends, etc. Not just material things.
carhill Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 Out of all the ladies I met in my trips, I only recall one wanting to get out. All the rest would've been fine for me to come live there. In fact I used the ex-pat scenario as a test. Most had strong local ties. The lady I dated the most and was thinking of marrying had an adult child and granddaughter as well as a minor daughter and no way wanted to leave but was willing if that was the way it worked out. Nowadays, authenticating basic interest and identity is easy. Back when I was going it was expensive landline phone calls and jerky video clips on the then new thing called the internet. The economics now are different too. Young women aren't as gonzo to pick up sticks and leave. They've got opportunities. If I were going to Chernihiv I'd be looking to spend a day in the exclusion zone on a tour. It was too hot still when I visited. Horrible history was made there. Women are women everywhere. Whatever local experiences you've had will find commonality in Ukraine. It's a different culture, sure. Still, dating is dating. And watch yourself in the kitchen!
Author HansA Posted November 7, 2017 Author Posted November 7, 2017 Family is very important in the FSU. If parents live locally it's not uncommon to meet them. Mother got flowers and father got a bottle of vodka which of course was opened and we'd drink and solve the world's problems. I do not think I will meet them. She wanted to come to Kiev first to meet. She lives in the same city as her parents. Language will be an issue. How good are you at communicating through body language and expression? That helps. Learning some Ukrainian/Russian also helps. I used a wonderful interpreter I met on my first trip and she was key in both communicating as well as steering me away from problems. I bring a notepad or three and some ballpoint pens. If you meet, most likely she'd meet you at the airport in Kiev. Chernihiv isn't that far away. Chernihiv is just a two hour drive away up north. Not sure she wants to see me at the airport, most like go to my hotel. I found meeting made things real. If the lady is serious, it'll go well. Else, she'll disappear. IMO, always have a plan B. If she can travel to Norway, that's also an option, as is meeting in a neutral country. IME, I always visited the lady in her home country mainly due to logistics (distance and visas mostly) but your situation may differ. What I typically did was rent an apartment and use it as a base and meet any lady I was in contact with as well as enjoy the local scene. If things went sideways, it was easy to meet other people. I usually stayed in-country for 2-3 weeks per visit. I thinking just her for a weekend on a hotel. She wants to come to Kiev from her city. If she doesn't show, I'll have a weekend trip to a foreign city. Not bad itself, I do a walk and do some photographing. So, no Norwegian ladies who tickle your fancy? I have come to see Norwegian ladies as to materialistic and selfish. Not everyone is like that, but some is.
alphamale Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 Eastern bloc women are bad news, steer clear
Author HansA Posted November 7, 2017 Author Posted November 7, 2017 You have spoken to with you voice and her voice or have you done video chat it's free with What'sapp, Skype and Facebook Voice/Video Chat. Before you head out make sure you know who your dealing with and that she's real. I'll try to get her to a video chat first. But, if not I can take the risk for a weekend trip. If she dosn't show I can turn it into a weekend getaway from work. I'll ask her to text me when she leaves her city and comes to Kiev. She wanted to meet me there first.
Author HansA Posted November 7, 2017 Author Posted November 7, 2017 Once you are sure your connection with her is strong and you have faith that she is representing herself honestly - same from her side as well - go visit her and see how it is in person. I don't agree that women who are looking for a man to help them move to a new country and change their lives for the better are "gold diggers." The do have a goal, though, and it's a pretty big responsibility to provide every single thing for a person from another country who has nothing of her own in a new land. I'm talking about social interaction, friends, etc. Not just material things. I get that she wants out of her country. The local men are horrible she writes and I have read it on the net other places too. So I get her wish to find a foreign husband. We all want better lives if we can. I get that.
Author HansA Posted November 7, 2017 Author Posted November 7, 2017 The lady I dated the most and was thinking of marrying had an adult child and granddaughter as well as a minor daughter and no way wanted to leave but was willing if that was the way it worked out. That would make you 50ish in age? And watch yourself in the kitchen! Why?
Author HansA Posted November 7, 2017 Author Posted November 7, 2017 Eastern bloc women are bad news, steer clear I know of several men with russian/ukranian wives. They seem to make it with them. Even they are just boring ordinary men. But, their women is of course of the same caliber. Mine is cute and not too pretty. Just a normal look.
carhill Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 That would make you 50ish in age? Pushing 60. When I dated Elena she was mid 40's and about a decade older than me. Why? FSU women, especially the older ones, rule the kitchen. A 20-something not so much. I got the stern look and muttering in Ukranian a few times and my interpreter put it in words I could understand. They felt I was 'stealing their work'. The younger ladies, and I dated down into the late 20's, were more laid back, but the ones who liked to cook were more territorial. Food is love, generally, there. If you can go during the Catholic/Orthodox holidays, it's epic and due to the differing calendars, you can experience it twice in one visit. The cool thing was watching the spread at the holidays turn back into subsistence and survival once the celebrating was over. That was reality. You mentioned meeting at your hotel. IME, and of course this may have changed over the years, the ladies did not like meeting at hotels. Hookers meet at hotels, or so my interpreter shared. I usually met them at their apartments or a local restaurant or an activity we had agreed upon, like the opera or symphony or museum or circus, etc. 1
warp123 Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) No offense my friend, but you got fooled. If i understand correctly, you were talking to this woman for a week and you are now looking for her, so i guess she just disappeared. As you can notice, the site you mention is full of beautiful women (not a single ugly one) and all photos are professional, its toooooooooo suspicious to begin with. Most of these sites have girls in a office acting like they are the girl in the pictures and pretend to be interested in you, in any way or another, they will take money off you, that is setting up a date in person that will never happen or making you pay to register on their sites, its just a business and all these persons talking to you arent who they say. Edited November 7, 2017 by warp123
CptInsano Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 Women are women everywhere. Whatever local experiences you've had will find commonality in Ukraine. It's a different culture, sure. Still, dating is dating. And watch yourself in the kitchen! At the same point of time I dare to say that it is no accident that the OP is talking to a woman from the Ukraine and not the Netherlands, for example.
carhill Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 I used the local agencies and what later became dating.ru and had pretty good luck. Never did the pretty girl catalog/site thing. Like the lawyer I dated used to famously opine in her fractured English while shaping her hands and exhibiting a scowl .... 'Model'. Good memories. She was quite a gal. After 6-7 weeks of chatting, with anyone, get to the meeting. FSU ladies generally hate keyboard romeos. What I did was chat with a few while making the travel plans and give them a date when I'd be in-country. If they were interested/available, cool. If not, millions of other ladies out there. My first trip actually turned on a disappearing act when the intended lady disappeared so I did changed gears from WOVO to WMVM. Guys who date internationally know what this is. Check out RWD for more info on local logistics. I found that forum to be quite accurate when comparing to personal experience.
Author HansA Posted November 7, 2017 Author Posted November 7, 2017 FSU women, especially the older ones, rule the kitchen. A 20-something not so much. I got the stern look and muttering in Ukranian a few times and my interpreter put it in words I could understand. They felt I was 'stealing their work'. The younger ladies, and I dated down into the late 20's, were more laid back, but the ones who liked to cook were more territorial. Food is love, generally, there. If you can go during the Catholic/Orthodox holidays, it's epic and due to the differing calendars, you can experience it twice in one visit. She loves to cook and specially for someone. Also loves sports and driving! Her mother is just 4 years older than me. I'm born in 1974 and her mother is born in 1970. My lady is born in 1990. Yep, 16 years younger I know. Bad, bad me. She did contact me first and really liked me. Hmmm... She is Orthodox, but not that religious she says. She is old fashion she says. Any toughs about that one? You mentioned meeting at your hotel. IME, and of course this may have changed over the years, the ladies did not like meeting at hotels. Hookers meet at hotels, or so my interpreter shared. I usually met them at their apartments or a local restaurant or an activity we had agreed upon, like the opera or symphony or museum or circus, etc. Hmm, I ask her if she is OK with an apartment. Maybe she could impress me with her cooking skills?
Author HansA Posted November 7, 2017 Author Posted November 7, 2017 No offense my friend, but you got fooled. If i understand correctly, you were talking to this woman for a week and you are now looking for her, so i guess she just disappeared. Talked for 7-8 weeks. As you can notice, the site you mention is full of beautiful women (not a single ugly one) and all photos are professional, its toooooooooo suspicious to begin with. I always steer clear of all the models and pretty one. All studio photos make me wonder, yes. Also if she has a video it makes that harder, no? Most of these sites have girls in a office acting like they are the girl in the pictures and pretend to be interested in you, in any way or another, they will take money off you, that is setting up a date in person that will never happen or making you pay to register on their sites, its just a business and all these persons talking to you arent who they say. I know that. Done my homework.
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