lostinmymind Posted August 7, 2005 Posted August 7, 2005 I'm just looking to start a discussion here. Are women and girls being pressured and told they need to 'date around' by popular culture? Is the feminist movement convincing girls to always look for greener pastures when it comes to relationships and and giving false expectations? It seems there are so many reality shows on tv about women dating around in big cities. I can't think of their names but they are usually like "single in the city", "finding mr. right". They consist of a group of women who go on MANY MANY dates and of course they are NEVER happy. They meet a guy for 2 hours and then decide he isn't 'Mr. Right' without even getting to know him. Instead of the work all relationships require is mainstream society saying everything should just work perfectly with no effort? I also see a lot of t-shirts, posters, etc. "Happiness Is a New Boyfriend" with a picture of a dead boyfriend laying next to the new couple. "Boys Are Dumb Throw Rocks At Them" which is also a pretty common one..I think there is even a book to go along. I've seen these things in prominant display in major stores in the mall. These types of things are really demeaning to men and I don't believe a good attitude to be communicating to young women out there. Those are just a couple examples, feel free to add more if you wish. I'm just curious if other people see this trend, or if I'm imagining things. I think it's great that women are in an era they no longer 'need' a man to be accepted, but are certain aspects going too far? I may be overreacting. I'm just a firm believer that even the smallest mainstream social trends can have a huge effect over time. What does everyone think?
Neptune Posted August 7, 2005 Posted August 7, 2005 Well, you are very observant. Things have not really changed much have they? I am noticing that too. things really seem to have bounced way out of whack there for a short time in the late sixties with a little carry over into the seventies and then.....bam! Right back to the same ol` same ol`
Grinning Maniac Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 If any of us walked around with a "Broads are stupid. Throw rocks at them." or maybe a "Nothing's better than a BJ and a nice steak. Well? Hop to it, bitch." t-shirt on, we'd probably end up getting a lot of crap for it. Said it before, will say it again...women are becoming precisely what they supposedly "hated". Funny how life works out, huh? Hypocrites.
d'Arthez Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 The feminist movement does not convince these girls - they convince themselves. And can someone explain why it should be acceptable for men to date around, but not for women? Reality shows prove nothing. It is not hard to get 12 persons for any show. But if you are in charge, you are not going to select the ultra-intelligent geek, who prefers to study 12 hours a day on some exotic snail, now do you? Everything that is on TV is highly artificial, realize that. These shows are on the air for ratings, to make a lot of cash. So what are you going to pick? Yep, the things that make certain that the company earns as much cash as possible. If these girls take 2 hours, to find out a guy he is not Mr. Right, that is still approximately 1:59:57 longer than a lot of "boob men" need to find out if she is Mrs. Right for him (at least for a while). Fact is that you will discover in the first few minutes of conversation, whether or not you want to see that person again. That is exactly the premise of speed-dating. Of course the T-shirts are not the hallmark of respectable interactions - but these were also created in response to ... what? Male's pure spiritual and sexual innocence? . Of course, I could think of more enlightening T-shirts for women. But shall we take a close scrutiny at "male culture"? These things are by no means going to far. I believe the US Constitution allows for expression of these ideas. It is not limited to the male sex. And how can equality go to far? Or are you afraid that women become too equal? And what is the problem? If you don't want to be involved with such a girl or woman, don't date them, don't hang out with them. Simple as that.
MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 Originally posted by Grinning Maniac "Nothing's better than a BJ and a nice steak. Well? Hop to it, bitch." I'm a woman and I laughed at this one.
Woggle Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 The majority of women hate men and they think that relationships should have this unattainable perfection tha does not exist. The majority of these women out here are not relatyionship material. They are uninteresting, bitchy, neurotic, lack passion, and are just not nice to be around. Looks alone may attract some horny teenager or idiot but a wise and mature realizes that there needs to be substance behind the pretty looks and most women have no substance. It's funny that women are supposed to be liberated and independent these dayd yet so many of them are so unhappy. They are obsessed with their looks, are into dieting, many have breast implants and plastic surgery and they pile on the makeup. Many of them also are obsessed with materialism and living the high life. Women are also obsessed with finding the new them. They are always trying to find themselves. They have no core and their is no meaning to their lives, It is just one cheap trill after another. The funny thing is that you find out empty many of them are when you try to have meaningful conversation with one of them. I have my fun with these types but that is all they are worth.
JS17 Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle i found that pretty funny and to hold very little truth. quite a rant there. i think you're talking about two different things here. women dating around before settling and popular culture's acceptance of women using men like tissues as men have done to women for so many years. i do believe that women are being pressured to date more like men when in general it's not in their nature. of course there are many exceptions on both sides. personally i have felt this pressure when it is more in my nature to find someone i click with and try it out for a while. But, you'll see on this board a lot that it is a "numbers game" for men and women are taking on the same attitude...that they don't have to settle, that the more people they try the more likely they will find the best match for them. on your second topic, i think that popular culture is bringing women to the same level as men from a relationship perspective. yes, you would most likely take some flack for saying "girls are stupid, throw rocks at them" but there are also shirts out there that make fun of women for men to wear. i think they are a just joke. i think we're seeing women exert their power and desire to control their lives and not take whatever is handed to them or is convenient.
Author lostinmymind Posted August 11, 2005 Author Posted August 11, 2005 I guess I didn't really mean that women shouldn't be 'equal'. I think some are generalizing men a little too, not all men 'use women like tissues'. I just get the feeling that many women get the idea that relationships should have this level to them that will never happen in reality OR that relationships don't take work, that they should just work perfectly and should be a match made in heaven. "It's funny that women are supposed to be liberated and independent these dayd yet so many of them are so unhappy. They are obsessed with their looks, are into dieting, many have breast implants and plastic surgery and they pile on the makeup. Many of them also are obsessed with materialism and living the high life." - Woggle Although I don't agree with the "all women" I think Woggle makes a good point there. It is a culture of looks for a lot of women, and I think that is sad. Personally I think women who try too hard are a turn off. I like women they try a little, but it's much more attractive when they are generally happy with themselves and not trying to change. Unfortunately I'm sure there are a lot of guys out there who would disagree with me. Many argue that these things help confidence, but that should just already be there, it doesn't help it just ignores and hides the underlying problem. You should be happy with who you are and what you were given.
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