elaine567 Posted May 28, 2017 Posted May 28, 2017 I'd be willing to bet if you took two average looking and socially challenged guys and tried an experiment, where one guy got coached on being more social and outgoing, while the other you didn't change that aspect of his personality, but changed his overall look and had him get into his best physical condition, that the second guy would crush the first one, in terms of attracting women and getting dating prospects... TFY But you cannot keep a woman on looks alone. He may have a six pack, but if he still cannot string two sentences together, or he spends the evening staring at his feet and avoiding any interaction, then few women really want that no matter how good he looks... Most men are better off being weedy and scruffy with charisma and the gift of the gab than being toned and immaculate and having the charm of a wet rag. It is an equation for most women looking for a relationship. Looks + Personality = the Number, with a bias towards personality in most cases.
thefooloftheyear Posted May 28, 2017 Posted May 28, 2017 But you cannot keep a woman on looks alone. He may have a six pack, but if he still cannot string two sentences together, or he spends the evening staring at his feet and avoiding any interaction, then few women really want that no matter how good he looks... Most men are better off being weedy and scruffy with charisma and the gift of the gab than being toned and immaculate and having the charm of a wet rag. It is an equation for most women looking for a relationship. Looks + Personality = the Number, with a bias towards personality in most cases. No you can't(bolded), but then you are making an assumption that all guys that aren't social or bubbly have nothing else to offer in terms of personality...Not true...Many women can't stand those chatty/social types of guys and prefer cerebral confident/quiet and reserved types..Some will even prefer angry/arrogant and douchey guys over the friendly and social type,,,Haven't we heard that story before.... I'm guessing you are projecting your own feelings and desires on the entire male species...And maybe I am doing the same...So maybe we are both right/wrong in some ways....I dunno... TFY
elaine567 Posted May 28, 2017 Posted May 28, 2017 No you can't(bolded), but then you are making an assumption that all guys that aren't social or bubbly have nothing else to offer in terms of personality...Not true...Many women can't stand those chatty/social types of guys and prefer cerebral confident/quiet and reserved types..Some will even prefer angry/arrogant and douchey guys over the friendly and social type,,,Haven't we heard that story before.... I am not saying that every man needs to be chatty/social to get a woman, and you are quite correct some women are turned off by extroverts and "clowns", but men need to have some social skills in order to progress a relationship. My point being that the core personality does not necessarily dictate the quality of a person's social skills. A quiet reserved man can have excellent social skills and loud extrovert man can have appalling social skills. Whatever their core personality, the guys on here that are struggling do usually have very poor social skills. Social skills are the skills we use to communicate and interact with each other, both verbally and non-verbally, through gestures, body language and our personal appearance. 1
Bastile Posted May 29, 2017 Posted May 29, 2017 Some brief points. 1. Nobody should be paying money for something they don't even understand. It's 2017, and there's something called "The Piratebay". I've probably only spent around £70 on materials, ever. And that was because I had already experimented enough to know what was what. Fools and their money are easily parted. 2. The idea of "build it and they will come" is not satisfying enough for all of us. Men are hunter gatherers. Men were meant to go and get women. It's one of the highest natural ways to raise testosterone (along with lifting weights). 3. Discussing pick-up in homogeneous terms is absurd. This isn't 1992. There are hugely diverse thoughts on the subject, and hugely different approaches/attitudes. 4. People want other people to fail. This is one of the things I have noticed most in my own journey. That includes people in my circle, family, and on places like the internet. People project their own fears and limits onto others. Also people don't like others to make significant changes in their life. They prefer people to stay in their easily definable box, and not rock the boat. 5. A lot of the rubbish stuff is about avoiding rejection. Men dictate the market, and the big money is in alleviating people's fears. The best PUA's don't actually make much money, because the majority of men simply aren't cut out for it. That's the truth.
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