brought her a rose to the restaurant. she didnt take it.

May 25, 2017

Im a romantic guy. a masculine guy but also sensitive and enjoy chivalry and being a gentleman. no old fashioned but I enjoy doing nice things.

I brought a rose out of a nice gesture. she says "ah, no, I like them better in nature" . a "oh how sweet, thanks" would have gone a long way.

at the end of the date she didnt take it. I didnt say a word.

I get a nice message in the morning in whatsapp had an amazing time last night. youre a wonderful man. not many like you.

would she have taken the rose, there would be date 2. she shot herself in the foot.

May 25, 2017

I doubt she will lose sleep over you not calling her again.

May 25, 2017

Im a romantic guy. a masculine guy but also sensitive and enjoy chivalry and being a gentleman. no old fashioned but I enjoy doing nice things.

I brought a rose out of a nice gesture. she says "ah, no, I like them better in nature" . a "oh how sweet, thanks" would have gone a long way.

at the end of the date she didnt take it. I didnt say a word.

I get a nice message in the morning in whatsapp had an amazing time last night. youre a wonderful man. not many like you.

would she have taken the rose, there would be date 2. she shot herself in the foot.

Given her reaction, it should come as no surprise she didn't take it.

I agree that a thank you to acknowledge your gesture would have been nice. but it sounds like you're probably not all that compatible anyway.

May 25, 2017

I doubt she will lose sleep over you not calling her again.

ooo someones bitter.

May 25, 2017

Totally incompatible. Let me guess: online dating.

May 25, 2017

ooo someones bitter.

So much irony here...

May 25, 2017

on one hand women say there are no good guys around. and when a guy comes who has most of what a woman wants they shoot themselves in the foot. this is the reason the dating scene looks as bad as it does and people are single more then ever. women have shot themselves in the foot.

you see tons and tons and tons of women available from 30+ desperate for a man. and men are partying like crazy.

A good guy (good I mean good job, looks good, tall, muscular, smart, sensitive, caring, emotional intetlligence. caring, warm) has many options today. its only going to get worse for women.

anyone see this?

Why Women Should Make Men Wait For Sex

I dont live in the US but have to say, the dating trend from the US has impacted a lot of countries in the world. and only for the bad.

May 25, 2017

So much irony here...

she wants another date. I dont. its common courtesy.

say thank you. take the rose and throw it in the garbage on your way home when I dont see for all I care. just like a woman would get pissed if my food/drink came before hers and I didnt wait, or if I walked out the door without holding it for her. or even saying, pay the bill 50/50. just basic manners. common courtesy.

May 25, 2017

Bringing a rose on a first date is the summum of cheesiness. Don't do that again. You are both strangers she only expects you to be on your best behavior. A first date is to check each other out it's not to play Romeo. It's not even a date, it's a first meeting. Even women that will take the rose with a smile will think down inside oh god how cheesy. Keep your roses for when you know her enough the gesture actually means something. Bringing a rose to a stranger is kind of insulting, we know you'll bring one to every woman you'll meet so it just absolutely kill the kindness behind the gesture.

May 25, 2017

Bringing a rose on a first date is the summum of cheesiness. Don't do that again. You are both strangers she only expects you to be on your best behavior. A first date is to check each other out it's not to play Romeo. It's not even a date, it's a first meeting. Even women that will take the rose with a smile will think down inside oh god how cheesy. Keep your roses for when you know her enough the gesture actually means something. Bringing a rose to a stranger is kind of insulting, we know you'll bring one to every woman you'll meet so it just absolutely kill the kindness behind the gesture.

1-youre in a different culture then I am. I dont live on that side.

2-I date older women who do appreciate a rose.

3-this is the reason why women are so screwed today.

4-you think its cheesy because thats your personal opinion. not that it is.

5-dates here are not like the shetty dates in the US when its all fake asz and multi dating.

gaeta I know you for a long time. I dont post but I read many comments. your mindset is the reason women will not find a good guy. someone wants to do a nice gesture. take it. say thanks, stfu and throw out later. let the guy be a gentleman if he wants to.

you realize whats going on in the US, yes, and canada..? guys just dont give a shet anymore. dont want to commit. guys dont need to buy the cow to have milk anymore.

now as it stands she wants another date and I will move on. many other women who do appreciate those things.

May 25, 2017

1-youre in a different culture then I am. I dont live on that side.
2-I date older women who do appreciate a rose.
3-this is the reason why women are so screwed today.
4-you think its cheesy because thats your personal opinion. not that it is.
5-dates here are not like the shetty dates in the US when its all fake asz and multi dating.

gaeta I know you for a long time. I dont post but I read many comments. your mindset is the reason women will not find a good guy. someone wants to do a nice gesture. take it. say thanks, stfu and throw out later. let the guy be a gentleman if he wants to.

you realize whats going on in the US, yes, and canada..? guys just dont give a shet anymore. dont want to commit. guys dont need to buy the cow to have milk anymore.

now as it stands she wants another date and I will move on. many other women who do appreciate those things.

2. I am 51 therefore older generation

3. Not sure what is the reason women are screwed you don't explain

4. It's not only my opinion you can ask around instead of assuming and ask around 'older' women. I have explained to you exactly why a rose on a 1st date has no meaning.

5. I am not American, Yes i am Canadian but of french heritage, I am dating a man that spent 30 years in Paris, he's as romantic as can be and he didn't bring me a rose on our first meeting.

I will add this. Do you want a girlfriend OR you just want to be right and do things your way? Walk on your big Romeo ego and go on that 2nd date.

I have had men offer me presents on a first date, I have had men send me big bouquet of roses after a first date and it NEVER made me like them more. You're in 2017 and you want to date like it's 1939 when women were swept away by being offered roses. Time have changed since.

May 25, 2017

5. I am not American, Yes i am Canadian but of french heritage, I am dating a man that spent 30 years in Paris, he's as romantic as can be and he didn't bring me a rose on our first meeting. [...]

It would be weird in most parts of western Europe. I can however see how that would be acceptable in other cultures where women do expect presents.

It would be interesting to know where and under which circumstances the date took place.

May 25, 2017

We've had many threads on here from men asking if they should bring flowers or a present on a first date and the big majority of people answered no, it's too much, it has no meaning as we're strangers, it's cheesy for some, it sends the wrong signal, etc.

I understand OP said he's from a culture that does that but if he's not in own country and he's trying to date in Canada like they do in Tombouctou it's just not gonna work.

OP You have to accept people date differently in different part of the world. When in Rome do as the Romans do.

May 25, 2017

I am 51 therefore older generation

which kind of says something about you. women that are old like you, (not your age though. young) do enjoy roses and always say wow, how nice. I never got a rose before.. the women always say im different then the rest of the guys. I always stand out. looks, mentality, personality, manners. they say wow, someone with charm or whos chivalrous. the men they dated were machoistic douchebags.

3. Not sure what is the reason women are screwed you don't explain

use your glasses. read. see the video I linked above.

4. It's not only my opinion you can ask around instead of assuming and ask around 'older' women. I have explained to you exactly why a rose on a 1st date has no meaning.

you know because youre the worlds representatives for dates around the world? in fact this cheesed me off because no one ever denied it. they were always smiling. and I would get a hug and you could see them shy sometimes, but always smiling and happy. this one I dated is a bit butch though. rides a motorcycle like me. that could be it. looking for a tall muscular im guessing is why she was excited to continue.

5. I am not American, Yes i am Canadian but of french heritage, I am dating a man that spent 30 years in Paris, he's as romantic as can be and he didn't bring me a rose on our first meeting.

ah, so he is french and hence the representative for romance. no one else knows whats its like to be romantic?

btw, did you know there was a US website called f*ckfrance.com ?

I will add this. Do you want a girlfriend OR you just want to be right and do things your way? Walk on your big Romeo ego and go on that 2nd date.

I dont need a "GF" which is your primitive mindset again. I want a PARTNER. based on manners and being courteous and caring for one another. someone who has common courtesy and emotional intelligence. I can write tons of examples of what common courtesy and manners means on dates. I can write tons of examples of what I could do and say it cheesy and the women would be pissed at me for not caring or having common courtesy. your mindset is primitive, not mine.

I have had men offer me presents on a first date, I have had men send me big bouquet of roses after a first date and it NEVER made me like them more. You're in 2017 and you want to date like it's 1939 when women were swept away by being offered roses. Time have changed since.

gaeta, you write nonsense. so no one from 1939 to 2017 havent given a rose to women on a first date? and only from 1939? thats when men stopped giving roses, right? do me a favor. we dont see eye to eye. move along. I bet you what though..if your frenchy was a first date with you and told you to pay the bill, youd be pissed. right?

im not changing just cause an old lady told me its cheesy. sorry.

May 25, 2017

We've had many threads on here from men asking if they should bring flowers or a present on a first date and the big majority of people answered no, it's too much, it has no meaning as we're strangers, it's cheesy for some, it sends the wrong signal, etc.

I understand OP said he's from a culture that does that but if he's not in own country and he's trying to date in Canada like they do in Tombouctou it's just not gonna work.

OP You have to accept people date differently in different part of the world. When in Rome do as the Romans do.

but you do want the guy to pickup the tab, even though were strangers, yes? you have no problem with that and most women demand/expect it, even though they dont say it. thats ok though...

understand the irony here. a guy tries to be a gentlemen and gets shot down by a woman saying dont be.

May 25, 2017

Whether its right or wrong isn't really for anyone else to say...You did it and thought it was right, so there really isn't anything more to say...If she was into you, then she likely wouldn't have said what she did..

Be yourself and do what's best or most comfortable for you...It doesn't "suck", nor would I ever listen to what anyone else says to do...That's for them and their deal..

She acted like a douche...Yes, she should have accepted it and said "thank you, how thoughtful"..That's what grown adults do...That would be about as bad a woman saying "hey, I bought a new fragrance just so I would smell nice for our date", and you saying.."eh...that's what old ladies wear..but if you like it well, good"...

And you would have subsequently been butchered as being an insensitive dick for saying that...

It didn't work out for whatever reason....But I can assure you....it wasn't because you gave her a rose...If that were the case, then she has more issues than I could ever imagine...

TFY

May 25, 2017

but you do want the guy to pickup the tab, even though were strangers, yes? you have no problem with that and most women demand/expect it, even though they dont say it. thats ok though...

understand the irony here. a guy tries to be a gentlemen and gets shot down by a woman saying dont be.

Restore, I earn more than 90% of men I dated. I don't need a man to pick up the tab and I have often paid for a first date. Actually I made a point of always paying for our first date when the man had to do some driving to get to me.

I will close my eyes on all the personal attacks you made in your last post. I am not in the mood to argue over the net today.

I will say one thing. I've never proclaimed to be the representative of women and I told you to not take my word for it and to ask women. So do it. Start a thread and ask what women would think of a man offering them a rose on a first meeting.

You also refer to your culture but never mentioned it and never mentioned where you're located.

May 25, 2017

Whether its right or wrong isn't really for anyone else to say...You did it and thought it was right, so there really isn't anything more to say...If she was into you, then she likely wouldn't have said what she did..

Be yourself and do what's best or most comfortable for you...It doesn't "suck", nor would I ever listen to what anyone else says to do...That's for them and their deal..

She acted like a douche...Yes, she should have accepted it and said "thank you, how thoughtful"..That's what grown adults do...That would be about as bad a woman saying "hey, I bought a new fragrance just so I would smell nice for our date", and you saying.."eh...that's what old ladies wear..but if you like it well, good"...

And you would have subsequently been butchered as being an insensitive dick for saying that...

It didn't work out for whatever reason....But I can assure you....it wasn't because you gave her a rose...If that were the case, then she has more issues than I could ever imagine...

TFY

BRAVO!!!

bitch! dont shoot me down for being a gentlemen. take it, say thank you, and later toss. it. i cant post whatsapp print screens but she very much wants to continue. that disgusted me that I cannot continue. for me, basics..be a human being. do to others like you want done to you.

May 25, 2017

Here's another video on

by Dr. Kathleen Vohs. I bet it will piss a lot of people off, and I can hear them now saying, "but I'm different, I'm not like that." Okay.

Watch the video and consider my comment below in the context of relative value.

It's hard to say why she rejected the rose exactly, but I suspect that she was symbolically saying, "nope, I'm not that easy. You're going to have to do better than a single rose to win my affection (and sex)." And she's giving you a chance by offering a second date... but, she's going to make you work for it. She saw the rose as transactional, and a lowball offer.

May 25, 2017

It's not cheesy, just not the right time. Second date over dinner possibly? I can see it OK if you knew this person already, but a total stranger, well....it would be a hit or miss....mostly a miss. IMO people read too much into things and automatically scream "Clinger!". People are acclimated to informal, don't get too personal, or try to get too close until I know you for sometime.

For me, if I was single today, I wouldn't have read into it being needy/ or dangerous/cheesy....I love receiving flowers. A few times I've had a kind gentleman buy me a flower when standing in a line-up at a store.....it's flattering. They just tell me to have a lovely day....maybe Vancouver has a different vibe.

May 25, 2017

Whether its right or wrong isn't really for anyone else to say...You did it and thought it was right, so there really isn't anything more to say...If she was into you, then she likely wouldn't have said what she did..

Be yourself and do what's best or most comfortable for you...It doesn't "suck", nor would I ever listen to what anyone else says to do...That's for them and their deal..

She acted like a douche...Yes, she should have accepted it and said "thank you, how thoughtful"..That's what grown adults do...That would be about as bad a woman saying "hey, I bought a new fragrance just so I would smell nice for our date", and you saying.."eh...that's what old ladies wear..but if you like it well, good"...

And you would have subsequently been butchered as being an insensitive dick for saying that...

It didn't work out for whatever reason....But I can assure you....it wasn't because you gave her a rose...If that were the case, then she has more issues than I could ever imagine...

TFY

She liked enough to overlook the rose and ask him on a second date. It's not about her not being into him. She's into him enough to write to him the following day and to suggest a second date.

Maybe she is just not the type of women that does well with smiling and shutting up when something bothers them.

May 25, 2017

BRAVO!!!

bitch! dont shoot me down for being a gentlemen. take it, say thank you, and later toss. it. i cant post whatsapp print screens but she very much wants to continue. that disgusted me that I cannot continue. for me, basics..be a human being. do to others like you want done to you.

You don't really come across as a gentleman on here with your vulgar language. A gentleman can keep his composure and gentleman ways even when being shut down.

May 25, 2017

She liked enough to overlook the rose and ask him on a second date. It's not about her not being into him. She's into him enough to write to him the following day and to suggest a second date.

Maybe she is just not the type of women that does well with smiling and shutting up when something bothers them.

Who knows what she's thinking....Maybe she isn't into him but likes smoke blown up her behind until she finds someone better....There are plenty of them out there..

Armchair psychoanalysis aside, she has horrible manners and wouldn't be worth my time...just saying...

TFY

May 25, 2017

she wants another date. I dont.

No, she doesn't want another date. Don't worry about it. Lots of women will reject you but ultimately you will find the one who will be interested. In the meantime, consider an attitude adjustment. Your attitude is probably standing in your way.

Good luck, man, learn from your mistakes and don't give up.

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