Author reozeno Posted November 11, 2016 Author Posted November 11, 2016 Oh wow 4 pages. The truth, OP, is that we girls like to be big meanie heads to all the boys. We spend countless hours conspiring together on how we can be the biggest meanie heads ever. The best plan we ever came up with was to talk to a guy and then not have sex with him. May our diabolical reign of terror carry ever onwards. Please stop making the thread about me being misogynistic. Im nt. please read the original question,if you have something to add, please do. Thank you.
phineas Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 Women friendzone guys who they don't feel a lot of chemistry for but like them as a person and think they are fun to hang out with. A lot of us women don't get super offended if the guy is not feeling a blast of chemistry and wants to keep us as friends. We assume guys are the same but a lot of times guys just get offended and annoyed. I just assume not friendzone a guy because if he is interested in more I'll likely offend him with the "friends" suggestion, as you have expressed here. I have NEVER had a woman agree to be friends after I rejected her and i'm 44. Women cannot handle rejection. period. Some men do get upset, but women turn mean and nasty or in the case of being friends already they will go No contact if I reject them after they express interest in dating.
phineas Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) She thinks she can change your mind and convince you to be her friend. Ironically, it's the same reason so many men are "stuck" in the friend-zone. They think they can change the woman's mind. I've experience what you've described several times. I expressed romantic interest in a woman. She rejected my overtures and offered friendship. I declined the friendship offer and she pursued it. I even had one get rather nasty after I rejected her friendship overtures multiple times. yeah. Have experienced this also. Those women wanted to use me. The ultimatum was referring to her romantic persuit. I want to know whom she's interested in. She interested in other guy and sees me as a friend and i don't want to be just friend. so i say goodbye. and you should bail. Except giving an ultimatum doesn't usually work. You need to withdraw and date other women. Edited November 11, 2016 by phineas
phineas Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 I knew of ones that would get nasty, too. One told me prior to putting a guy in the friend zone, that she started to cry when giving to him the bad news...because she knew that she was afraid he might reject her friendship. I guess some guys fall for it thinking if they get emotional about it, then MAYBE there's "something there" and that's when he hopes things may get romantic. too bad for her. If the man must deal with it then so must she. To be honest, women like this know what they are doing and those friendships turn one-way. I knew of women who would refuse men to pay for things for them or buy them things, but they would INSIST on paying their expenses. So with the men at this point, it's self-inflicted. eh, if a woman doesn't want a man paying for her she can make that happen if she really wanted to. but i know guys like this who do it because that is how they are. Or they hope to get her drunk. I'm like this sometimes with women friends if they are good friends. And then there are nights they insist on paying for everything. Women that are friends but expect the man to pay even then are not good people and there are many out there. It's the mans fault though if he keeps being a chump.
AnnieRose Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 No one owes you sex, and on the flipside, no one owes you friendship! If you don't feel comfortable being friends with someone you have feelings for, you are in your right to do that. 1
spiderowl Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 I can see a guy's point of view here that there seems little point being 'just' a friend, but from a woman's point of view, I'd rather get to know a guy a bit before it going straight to a date. If you talk to someone for a while, then if they have any major issues (e.g. are controlling, denigrating, rude, whatever), you will find out fairly quickly. If you started getting physically involved straightaway then it's either going to go one way or the other and very quickly. Basically, being friends with a guy is not always friendzoning him, it can be a way of seeing what kind of person you are dealing with. Any woman who has been treated badly by a guy in the past is going to play a slower game so as not to get caught in that trap again. If a guy had an approach similar to yours of 'it's dating or I disappear from your life', I would actually see that as quite controlling and make a mental note of that. If he said that upfront, then I would be aware of the choice but also aware that if I dated him I would likely be getting involved with someone controlling. Basically, it would put me off.
Shining One Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 I can see a guy's point of view here that there seems little point being 'just' a friend, but from a woman's point of view, I'd rather get to know a guy a bit before it going straight to a date. If you talk to someone for a while, then if they have any major issues (e.g. are controlling, denigrating, rude, whatever), you will find out fairly quickly. If you started getting physically involved straightaway then it's either going to go one way or the other and very quickly. Basically, being friends with a guy is not always friendzoning him, it can be a way of seeing what kind of person you are dealing with. Any woman who has been treated badly by a guy in the past is going to play a slower game so as not to get caught in that trap again.I understand the reasoning behind the "friends first" approach. Unfortunately (at least for me), it rarely works out in practice. Many women (and I'm not implying that you fall into this category) still expect "dating treatment" during the friends first phase. If they don't receive this treatment, they lose interest, provided there was any to begin with.
spiderowl Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 I understand that and if I was a guy I would want to know if she was interested in me. I have found that most guys just want to leap in and have it decided from the moment they get talking. I like to establish certain things first - like does he treat me with respect, does he have good manners, is he genuinely unattached, is he responsible? If he fits all these categories and we have good chemistry as well, then a week of chatting as friends would be enough for me to know if I wanted to date him. Unfortunately, what I usually find is that guys start talking about dating, kissing, sex from the start and then feel rejected when you have to give up on them. They come across as only being interested in one thing. There has to be a certain amount of trust and affection built before moving forward on that front. I know that guys think if they don't make their intentions clear up front, then they will lose out, but you can show a woman you are attracted to her without talking about kissing and sex. Besides, if you are a little more subtle, she's going to think she might have to be more positive towards you in case you run off.
phineas Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 I understand the reasoning behind the "friends first" approach. Unfortunately (at least for me), it rarely works out in practice. Many women (and I'm not implying that you fall into this category) still expect "dating treatment" during the friends first phase. If they don't receive this treatment, they lose interest, provided there was any to begin with. Exactly. You cease to become a sexual creature to the woman. Add in that she now knows she can have you whenever she wants....you might as well just bail. However, i've hit a point where i don't catch feelings for women i'm not dating. So if a woman is a good woman and a good friend (helps me meet other women) I can be friends with them. Plus i have options. And for women friends who show signs of liking me but don't want to date but at the same time are annoyed by other women wanting to date me? those chicks are annoying. So I just keep dating other women and give them less of my time. They either disappear because they just wanted my attention or they see me as different now because other women want me and they all of a sudden want to hang out alone then initiate sex with me in order to not lose me and we end up dating. but, this is something OP will eventually learn when he gets better with women.
phineas Posted November 12, 2016 Posted November 12, 2016 I understand that and if I was a guy I would want to know if she was interested in me. I have found that most guys just want to leap in and have it decided from the moment they get talking. I like to establish certain things first - like does he treat me with respect, does he have good manners, is he genuinely unattached, is he responsible? If he fits all these categories and we have good chemistry as well, then a week of chatting as friends would be enough for me to know if I wanted to date him. Unfortunately, what I usually find is that guys start talking about dating, kissing, sex from the start and then feel rejected when you have to give up on them. They come across as only being interested in one thing. There has to be a certain amount of trust and affection built before moving forward on that front. I know that guys think if they don't make their intentions clear up front, then they will lose out, but you can show a woman you are attracted to her without talking about kissing and sex. Besides, if you are a little more subtle, she's going to think she might have to be more positive towards you in case you run off. Just an FYI it is impossibly hard for a man to determine if a woman is like you or just wasting our time. I admit shortly after my divorce I wasted my time on a number of women before I started just dropping every woman who even hinted at being friends. But when you go from one extreme to the other you end up centered. However, once friends with a woman you as a man lose the advantage of guys she just goes on dates with. If a woman likes a guy, after a few dates he will move on and cut her off after a certain point if she doesn't show signs of wanting to be with him. This threat of a man cutting her from his life can push a woman to jump into a relationship with that man. When you are a friend, she knows you will stick around and may not be so inclined to date you unless another woman comes on the scene. Now, i am speaking in generalities so this may not be how you are, however it is how a lot of women are according to my experience and those of my friends.
Author reozeno Posted November 12, 2016 Author Posted November 12, 2016 I can see a guy's point of view here that there seems little point being 'just' a friend, but from a woman's point of view, I'd rather get to know a guy a bit before it going straight to a date. If you talk to someone for a while, then if they have any major issues (e.g. are controlling, denigrating, rude, whatever), you will find out fairly quickly. If you started getting physically involved straightaway then it's either going to go one way or the other and very quickly. Basically, being friends with a guy is not always friendzoning him, it can be a way of seeing what kind of person you are dealing with. Any woman who has been treated badly by a guy in the past is going to play a slower game so as not to get caught in that trap again. If a guy had an approach similar to yours of 'it's dating or I disappear from your life', I would actually see that as quite controlling and make a mental note of that. If he said that upfront, then I would be aware of the choice but also aware that if I dated him I would likely be getting involved with someone controlling. Basically, it would put me off. Well, i do it coz i want to move on easier. It's hard to if i keep on seeing her photo with other guy, dating etc. she's seeing another potential romantic partner, it just the best.
Author reozeno Posted November 12, 2016 Author Posted November 12, 2016 I understand that and if I was a guy I would want to know if she was interested in me. I have found that most guys just want to leap in and have it decided from the moment they get talking. I like to establish certain things first - like does he treat me with respect, does he have good manners, is he genuinely unattached, is he responsible? If he fits all these categories and we have good chemistry as well, then a week of chatting as friends would be enough for me to know if I wanted to date him. Unfortunately, what I usually find is that guys start talking about dating, kissing, sex from the start and then feel rejected when you have to give up on them. They come across as only being interested in one thing. There has to be a certain amount of trust and affection built before moving forward on that front. I know that guys think if they don't make their intentions clear up front, then they will lose out, but you can show a woman you are attracted to her without talking about kissing and sex. Besides, if you are a little more subtle, she's going to think she might have to be more positive towards you in case you run off. Actually we have been chatting for awhile, meet few times. But, i want to ask her to proper date. But to do that, i need to know if she's interested or not.
chumly Posted November 12, 2016 Posted November 12, 2016 to be honest ..if you are really that interested in her or any female I think you are doing yourself a big injustice not to remain friends with her (or them)..how do you know she (or any other lady) might not change her feelings about you while spending time with you?? Let her (or them) find out how great you really are. Just because she might not have those feelings for you right now does not mean she wont in the future. Genuine feelings take time to develop. What is this big rush to get into something romantic right off the bat anyway?? What about taking time and getting to know someone first..plus whos to say that she might not have a friend that you might hit it off with? Widening your circle of friends and contacts is your best way to meet more people and the more people you meet the more likely you will find someone you connect with. I think it is silly and immature of you to take this approach. I think you would have better luck if you were not so quick to want to jump into things with these ladies. Relax and take things easy in life and things will develop naturally..is my advice. Good luck:)
LookAtThisPOst Posted November 12, 2016 Posted November 12, 2016 I understand that and if I was a guy I would want to know if she was interested in me. I have found that most guys just want to leap in and have it decided from the moment they get talking. I like to establish certain things first - like does he treat me with respect, does he have good manners, is he genuinely unattached, is he responsible? If he fits all these categories and we have good chemistry as well, then a week of chatting as friends would be enough for me to know if I wanted to date him. Unfortunately, what I usually find is that guys start talking about dating, kissing, sex from the start and then feel rejected when you have to give up on them. They come across as only being interested in one thing. There has to be a certain amount of trust and affection built before moving forward on that front. I know that guys think if they don't make their intentions clear up front, then they will lose out, but you can show a woman you are attracted to her without talking about kissing and sex. Besides, if you are a little more subtle, she's going to think she might have to be more positive towards you in case you run off. Actually, Spiderowl, you just described the process of dating, the "getting to know you" process. Seems your definition of it is different from most. Funny, in my case...when I ask a woman out, they ask me, "You mean....like a date?" and I go, "Yes, of course." then that's when they say, "You're a great guy, but I like you as a friend." But hey, at least she told me where she stood, but I would sometimes like her to say "Yes" that it could go beyond friendship.
Author reozeno Posted November 12, 2016 Author Posted November 12, 2016 to be honest ..if you are really that interested in her or any female I think you are doing yourself a big injustice not to remain friends with her (or them)..how do you know she (or any other lady) might not change her feelings about you while spending time with you?? Let her (or them) find out how great you really are. Just because she might not have those feelings for you right now does not mean she wont in the future. Genuine feelings take time to develop. What is this big rush to get into something romantic right off the bat anyway?? What about taking time and getting to know someone first..plus whos to say that she might not have a friend that you might hit it off with? Widening your circle of friends and contacts is your best way to meet more people and the more people you meet the more likely you will find someone you connect with. I think it is silly and immature of you to take this approach. I think you would have better luck if you were not so quick to want to jump into things with these ladies. Relax and take things easy in life and things will develop naturally..is my advice. Good luck:) Thank you for the answer. Love it. What you didn't know is that we are in contact with each other for awhile. Its not like oh! i met her, go n say i want to date in just 10 mins conversation.Thats insane. But we have chat, met few times. Now, after getting bit closer, i want to bring her for a proper date. But she actually seeing another guy(not her bf but potential bf) and see me as a friend only. i refuse to remain friend because i want to move on easily. People think when I severe ties, its the end of the world, but it's not. Imo, most people consider somebody a friend even if that somebody is barely talked. I see things differently.With her,If we somehow in future cross path, ill say hi etc. But will i invite her to my party or wedding?no. It depends what u define as a friend. While you may say it's immature, but it's how i move on. I let it be on my own terms. Regardless, i say through all the post here like no feeling, its very hard to do it. She is after all my friend and my crush. But It just the best for both us. 1
victoria88 Posted November 12, 2016 Posted November 12, 2016 I recently met a nice girl Sally(not real name), get to know her a bit but ultimately it ended with one way interest. I have a policy toward all girls i met. If it's over i cut ties. No social media,etc watsoever. In or Before relationship. If something happens,i will send message/call/meet up for final resolve. An ultimatum. If she want me, we continue, if not, goodbye. Yeah, i will literally said it on that chat/call/meet up.Because i like to move on with my own terms. Not hers. So back to the Sally, she sees me as a friend and i don't want to. I said goodbye to her as i dont want to have anything more with her as i approach her as potential romance partner. She seems insisted want us to remains friend. I later insisted, sorry, but im nt your friend. It reminded me,actually most girl i did this, actually do the same. Why girls want a guy to be in friendzone? I don't want to be your friend. I did not read all the answers, so I hope I will not repeat someone else's advice. Girls sometimes want a man to be their just friend in order to know him better. I think this is the perfect way to know everything about someone. This way the girl can decide if she wants to have a relationship with someone or not. So, some advice for all the men: Try to get closer to a woman, try to give her a chance to know you better. This is the way to her heart (to a relationship with her). Show her how cool you are, show her how good person you are. She will fall in love with you. Also, she will know what is going on with your private life: when you have a girlfriend and when you do not... Who knows, perhaps by letting her know that you are not in a relationship, she will want to be more than your just friend... This is particularly valid for modest (and shy) women (I guarantee). The experienced women, I guess this advice would not work with them (I am not really an expert about the experienced women).
NuevoYorko Posted November 12, 2016 Posted November 12, 2016 Stop making this post misogynistic. Im not demonize woman. Friendzone exist in both gender. Girl get it too. However depends on your definition of friendzone. Girls don't love to put guys in what you call the "friendzone" mostly because there really is no such thing as a "friendzone" except in some imaginations. There is a such thing as a friendship. There is also a such thing as people saying "I like you as a friend" as a softer way of rejecting than just plain "never," AND as people who enjoy stringing others along as an ego boost. Anyway, if you don't want to hang around with any women who don't want to date you, that's your choice. 1
dispatch3d Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 Because women don't have a problem being friends with people who reject them romantically the way men do. Okay so you don't want to be friends with her, good for you, but it comes off looking like sour grapes really. Women don't typically approach people with the idea of sex or nothing. They often approach people with the idea of....okay who are you to me? If I'm not romantically inclined towards you I can still like who you are and want to be around you for other reasons. The fact that many insecure men would rather die than have female friends is not really a reflection on the women. Asking why women friend zone is like asking, why do women want friends? We want friends for the same reason you do, to enjoy the company of other people. The fact that some men see women as either a sex toy or invisible isn't our problem really. And when you think about it, it's not a very nice attitude to display. But whatever. I wouldn't call it insecurity not wanting to be friends with someone you're romantically interested in. It can create a very unhealthy friendship dynamic. Now a girl I'm not interested in I don't see a problem, but as far as being friends with someone I would like to date I'd definitely keep them at arms length at minimum (like I only see them at get togethers or something of that sort).
JewelD Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 The friendzone was invited by a group of bitter men who believe if a woman is kind to you, she MUST like you in a romantic sense and if you make a move and she turns you down, she has tricked you and cornered you into a dark pit of hell you can't escape from. Truth is, you're put in the pile very soon after we meet you. Either you're going to be a close friend, an acquaintance, a potential partner or absolutely nothing. Now if you're friends with a woman and you get pissed because she doesn't want to date you, then you were never truly her friend and it's certainly best that you leave her alone. But this is not an action we 'love' to do. It's not even a choice. Either we like you or we don't. Most of the time those dudes who consider themselves 'friendzoned' had absolutely no indication that the woman had any type of interest in them whatsoever but she's close, she's nice, she's got a vagina, let me ask her out anyway and get ticked off when she doesn't reciprocate the feelings. Women have less issues with this because we don't waste time shooting our shot with people just because they're in the vicinity. If you paid attention to the signs of when a woman is interested in you and when she is not, you would be able to 'friendzone' yourself and save everyone a lot of wasted time. 1
Author reozeno Posted November 13, 2016 Author Posted November 13, 2016 The friendzone was invited by a group of bitter men who believe if a woman is kind to you, she MUST like you in a romantic sense and if you make a move and she turns you down, she has tricked you and cornered you into a dark pit of hell you can't escape from. Truth is, you're put in the pile very soon after we meet you. Either you're going to be a close friend, an acquaintance, a potential partner or absolutely nothing. Now if you're friends with a woman and you get pissed because she doesn't want to date you, then you were never truly her friend and it's certainly best that you leave her alone. But this is not an action we 'love' to do. It's not even a choice. Either we like you or we don't. Most of the time those dudes who consider themselves 'friendzoned' had absolutely no indication that the woman had any type of interest in them whatsoever but she's close, she's nice, she's got a vagina, let me ask her out anyway and get ticked off when she doesn't reciprocate the feelings. Women have less issues with this because we don't waste time shooting our shot with people just because they're in the vicinity. If you paid attention to the signs of when a woman is interested in you and when she is not, you would be able to 'friendzone' yourself and save everyone a lot of wasted time. Thank you for the pov. Actually, many woman don't understand that friendzone is only occur if there's one person interested in more. let it be men or women. Problem is that how you guys demonize the terms. Women and Men definitely can be friends. I have lots of them. Even some of it is very close. But i dont want romantic relationship with any of them. Even how many years spent with them. It just that way. I cann assured too, they feel the same way. This is not friendzone. Friendzone is not imagination. It's a situation where 1 person who still hasn't move on from rejection but stuck. Rejection is not an agreement but friendship does.As a friend, you still have to support, care, socialize with each other. Which insane to do towards a person who just rejects you because you still hold some feeling. imho, the only good ways was not to remains friend until one person moves on. that means no contact, aocial network watsoever and that needs to be done by the rejector. Unless the injured party agrees to act nornal. Therefore he/she is not friendzoned
Author reozeno Posted November 13, 2016 Author Posted November 13, 2016 Girls don't love to put guys in what you call the "friendzone" mostly because there really is no such thing as a "friendzone" except in some imaginations. There is a such thing as a friendship. There is also a such thing as people saying "I like you as a friend" as a softer way of rejecting than just plain "never," AND as people who enjoy stringing others along as an ego boost. Anyway, if you don't want to hang around with any women who don't want to date you, that's your choice. Friendzone is not an imagination. Friendship is a agreement for both person but rejection is not. Friendzone is a situation Where 1 person who hasn't yet to move on, but have to remains to do what friend need to do. like Care, helps, cherish, support. To expect an injured party to do this, imo is cruel. Beacuse 1 person has no lonher agree to be friends. They want to be more. Only good way imo is not to remains friends for awhile. Must be done by the rejector.Until the injured party moves on. If the injured party insisted on remaining and aware of what hes/she's facing,therefore, there's no friendzone happening.
JewelD Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 Thank you for the pov. Actually, many woman don't understand that friendzone is only occur if there's one person interested in more. let it be men or women. Problem is that how you guys demonize the terms. Women and Men definitely can be friends. I have lots of them. Even some of it is very close. But i dont want romantic relationship with any of them. Even how many years spent with them. It just that way. I cann assured too, they feel the same way. This is not friendzone. Friendzone is not imagination. It's a situation where 1 person who still hasn't move on from rejection but stuck. Rejection is not an agreement but friendship does.As a friend, you still have to support, care, socialize with each other. Which insane to do towards a person who just rejects you because you still hold some feeling. imho, the only good ways was not to remains friend until one person moves on. that means no contact, aocial network watsoever and that needs to be done by the rejector. Unless the injured party agrees to act nornal. Therefore he/she is not friendzoned Again, this is about men who can't take hints and are bruised easily. If being "friendzoned" is a recurring theme for a guy, it's not the women, it's him. Just accept the rejection and stop making it into this big conspiracy plot women have against men. And this does not happen to all men. There's a good chunk of them who can get dates because they can read women's body language and tone. Or they just have the guts to cut to the chase and ask a woman out on a date sooner rather than later. There's nothing wrong with saying no to friendship after a rejection but there's also nothing wrong with asking to remain friends with someone who you have rejected. Some people just don't get bitter about the situation and don't mind being friends. If it's too painful for you not getting a date with someone, then don't be their friend. But don't make it seem like a woman is unreasonable for asking, especially if you had established a good friendship.
kmack513 Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 I recently met a nice girl Sally(not real name), get to know her a bit but ultimately it ended with one way interest. I have a policy toward all girls i met. If it's over i cut ties. No social media,etc watsoever. In or Before relationship. If something happens,i will send message/call/meet up for final resolve. An ultimatum. If she want me, we continue, if not, goodbye. Yeah, i will literally said it on that chat/call/meet up.Because i like to move on with my own terms. Not hers. So back to the Sally, she sees me as a friend and i don't want to. I said goodbye to her as i dont want to have anything more with her as i approach her as potential romance partner. She seems insisted want us to remains friend. I later insisted, sorry, but im nt your friend. It reminded me,actually most girl i did this, actually do the same. Why girls want a guy to be in friendzone? I don't want to be your friend. Why? It is a power play. The only communication you should have is phone # text. No social media contact period.
Author reozeno Posted November 13, 2016 Author Posted November 13, 2016 Again, this is about men who can't take hints and are bruised easily. If being "friendzoned" is a recurring theme for a guy, it's not the women, it's him. Just accept the rejection and stop making it into this big conspiracy plot women have against men. And this does not happen to all men. There's a good chunk of them who can get dates because they can read women's body language and tone. Or they just have the guts to cut to the chase and ask a woman out on a date sooner rather than later. There's nothing wrong with saying no to friendship after a rejection but there's also nothing wrong with asking to remain friends with someone who you have rejected. Some people just don't get bitter about the situation and don't mind being friends. If it's too painful for you not getting a date with someone, then don't be their friend. But don't make it seem like a woman is unreasonable for asking, especially if you had established a good friendship. In my honest opinion, you try to potray an idea how these things work. But not realistically. I put my story to put you in perspective. I met Sally few weeks back, she came with male friend and we had a talk. She giggles when i talk, laugh and most importantly said she's single. Met her again in another meet up, we talk for 1 hours. We had a good time, she shares her personal story, maintain eye contact, focus with the conversation by ignore all msg from phone and she mimics what im doing. We continue on message from there. and since there's many more sign, i said to her lets meet up and there more signs coming lile touching me etc. i then ask if she's interested in getting to know me. As im interested in her. She said she can't as she seeing another potential romantic partner. She also think she can't date me. So i saidgoodbye. You may think im inexperience and all, but i do what decent man would do. But real world is just different. If you sort of girl who gives hint n all, there's a girl who do it unconsciously as friendly. I don't blame her as its just her way ofsocializing but i just don't understand why the need to stay friends as i clearly stated i don't want to. Im a good guy, but let me move on easily especially you seeing other guy.
JewelD Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 So move on with your life then. I highly doubt she's harassing you for friendship. You're using your one experience as a way to categorize all women as if rejecting someone is a negative action like cheating or beating someone up. Rejecting someone is just as common and neutral as a sneeze or cough. If she actually is seeing someone else, I highly doubt she's going to give two craps if you stop talking to her. So your complaint is really that you expected her to say yes and she didn't. Sounds like you convinced yourself that very neutral signals and her just being kind to you meant that she would want to date you and you were wrong. You did that to yourself, so the title of this thread should be, why can't men take a hint? Or, why does a woman's kindness automatically equal romantic interest to a man? It's possible that she had slight interest in the beginning but you said or did something that turned her off by the time you asked her out. By the way you're trying to lump all women into one group, that wouldn't be a far-fetched conclusion to make. But the main point is: you (and all other men making this ridiculous claim) were not "friendzoned", you were rejected. Point blank. 1
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