Inter-racial Dating

[kmack513]

SA, let us know what the results of the 23 and me are. I think the vast majority of Latin American / Hispanic immigration to the USA has been non euro DNA, and or mixed. I have done a few business deal in S. America and the people at the other end were pretty 100% Euro background.

[ChickiePops]

I currently live in Los Angeles. I haven't noticed any raging stereotypes yet but if I do, I'll let you all know.

[Gr8fuln2020]

EDIT: For the non-white guys that complain about not being able to get white girls, there are so many white men dating and marrying outside of their culture, that there is no way white women would not increasingly pair up with non-white guys. I was at a Whole Foods a couple months ago and there was this white girl that looked completely infatuated with her Asian BF. I know it's anecdotal, but trust me, even the Asians guys are hooking up with white girls now (I only bring up Asians because they tend to have the biggest gripe about attracting white women).

 

Hmmm... I must be at the right places at the right times....I see colored men with white girls often enough that it doesn't register to me as anything uncommon. Of course, this is in the cities, not necessarily in the suburbs or more rural areas.

[DKT3]

Yea lol, but the porn thing is meaningless. Especially when the interracial-porn term was coined in an era where the performers in porn, within the porn capital (which is where I am from), were 99.9% dominated by white women. So porn being interracial essentially meant that the scene needed to not involve a white guy, which basically meant it needed to involve a black guy (the third largest group of people in the industry at that time).

 

And yes, the racial divisions could approach infinite, especially if you consider the deciding factor to be what is between the ears or in the heart of a given group of people as opposed to their eye slant or skin color.

 

But the fact is still this: White Men / Hispanic Women greatly outnumber all other combinations. You can try to create any type of division /combination you want, it still won't sniff the proportion WM/HW in the USA as a whole. If you don't want to consider it interracial based on a sociological definition of "race," then that IS fair. I actually can't argue against that. In this case, white woman paired with any guy from any race will be the most common interracial couple because so many white guys are marrying latinas. With so many white guys being unavailable, white women are bound to marry outside their race.

 

I will agree to not call a White Man with a Latina Woman interracial, but it's something that should always be brought up in this type of conversation because its implications are extremely significant.

 

 

 

Thanks! It's pretty recent

 

She actually just did the 23-and-me thing and I plan to do it, too. We're curious about the results (not for race determination reasons, but for everything that it can reveal)

 

Well if Hispanic was a race that might be true, but since it isn't then it isn't. BMWF is almost double the next (true interracial) pairing in the US.

 

Since a very large percentage of Hispanic people ( particularly in western South America) are largely Europe/Anglo Saxon how is a white man being married to one interracial?

[S_A]

Well if Hispanic was a race that might be true, but since it isn't then it isn't. BMWF is almost double the next (true interracial) pairing in the US.

 

Since a very large percentage of Hispanic people ( particularly in western South America) are largely Europe/Anglo Saxon how is a white man being married to one interracial?

 

White people that live in Central and South America tend to stay away from those that are NOT white. For example, there are German communities in Brazil that do not mix with non-German Brazilians. This is partly why Gisele Bundchen, a sixth generation Brazilian, was born to two German parents, from Brazil, with German last names. In this case, Tom Brady most definitely married a White Woman because her ancestors seem to have tried their best to not mix with native Brazilians. So to assume that people from South and Central America are white and had blue eyes and blonde hair before European settlers got there is absurd. There is an abundance of South and Central Americans who are definitively not white and not any more black than I am (I'm Eastern European).

 

If you go to Bolivia, you will definitely not find any white people, but if you want to call Bolivians white, then be my guest. I personally do not feel calling Latinos or Hispanics their own race to be any more divisive than not calling them their own race. I feel like not calling them their own race sort of dismisses their history pre Spanish Conquistadors. Keep in mind that South and Central Americans had their culture raped out of them. They were made to forget their native tongues and religions and were forced to adopt the Spanish language and Christendom. The fact is that Latinos have their own unique features and they can easily be distinguished from blacks, Asians, and whites.

 

Speaking of Asian... Blanket-labeling South and Central Americans as white also dismisses the heavy mix of Asian blood that exists in countries like Peru (a mixing that does not seem to have been replicated by whites and the natives of South and Central America outside of the Spaniards setting foot on the continent). So in a sense, not calling Latinos/Hispanics their own race complicates things much more.

 

A lot of the "whiteness" of Central and South America is a recent development that started like 90 years ago because of what was going on in Europe during that time. These emigrating whites could not possibly have diluted Latino blood that much in such a short period of time. And even if they did and all Latinos had at least a little bit of white blood, why should they still be white? People call Obama black even though he is half white. So is the rule then that you are black if you have even only a spec of black blood, and you are white if you have even just a spec of white blood but only if you do not also have a spec of black blood?

 

Tbh, I actually have zero interest in discussing the merits of calling South and Central Americans their own race. I have ZERO problem with accepting them as not being their own race; however, I think you need to be careful when labeling them as "white." And I also think there is enough significance in White Man/Hispanic Woman pairings to warrant recognizing them in discussions of interracial relationships. Personally, I do not think this notion is unreasonable and absolutely have no idea why some people are being so resistant to it.

[SammySammy]

The lesson to be learned from this thread is everybody is sure their experience and their perspective is the accurate view of the world.

[DKT3]

White people that live in Central and South America tend to stay away from those that are NOT white. For example, there are German communities in Brazil that do not mix with non-German Brazilians. This is partly why Gisele Bundchen, a sixth generation Brazilian, was born to two German parents, from Brazil, with German last names. In this case, Tom Brady most definitely married a White Woman because her ancestors seem to have tried their best to not mix with native Brazilians. So to assume that people from South and Central America are white and had blue eyes and blonde hair before European settlers got there is absurd. There is an abundance of South and Central Americans who are definitively not white and not any more black than I am (I'm Eastern European).

 

If you go to Bolivia, you will definitely not find any white people, but if you want to call Bolivians white, then be my guest. I personally do not feel calling Latinos or Hispanics their own race to be any more divisive than not calling them their own race. I feel like not calling them their own race sort of dismisses their history pre Spanish Conquistadors. Keep in mind that South and Central Americans had their culture raped out of them. They were made to forget their native tongues and religions and were forced to adopt the Spanish language and Christendom. The fact is that Latinos have their own unique features and they can easily be distinguished from blacks, Asians, and whites.

 

Speaking of Asian... Blanket-labeling South and Central Americans as white also dismisses the heavy mix of Asian blood that exists in countries like Peru (a mixing that does not seem to have been replicated by whites and the natives of South and Central America outside of the Spaniards setting foot on the continent). So in a sense, not calling Latinos/Hispanics their own race complicates things much more.

 

A lot of the "whiteness" of Central and South America is a recent development that started like 90 years ago because of what was going on in Europe during that time. These emigrating whites could not possibly have diluted Latino blood that much in such a short period of time. And even if they did and all Latinos had at least a little bit of white blood, why should they still be white? People call Obama black even though he is half white. So is the rule then that you are black if you have even only a spec of black blood, and you are white if you have even just a spec of white blood but only if you do not also have a spec of black blood?

 

Tbh, I actually have zero interest in discussing the merits of calling South and Central Americans their own race. I have ZERO problem with accepting them as not being their own race; however, I think you need to be careful when labeling them as "white." And I also think there is enough significance in White Man/Hispanic Woman pairings to warrant recognizing them in discussions of interracial relationships. Personally, I do not think this notion is unreasonable and absolutely have no idea why some people are being so resistant to it.

 

As I said Hispanic/Latino community is one with the largest range of races included. I'm not labeling them anything, my point is they are on a sliding scale from white to native to black and everything in-between. Therefore it's impossible to say anyone Hispanic is in an interracial relationships in general when they could have a interracial marriage with both being Hispanic, or a Hispanic say Christina Aguilera married to the guy she married, that isn't an interracial marriage they are both white.

[S_A]

As I said Hispanic/Latino community is one with the largest range of races included. I'm not labeling them anything, my point is they are on a sliding scale from white to native to black and everything in-between. Therefore it's impossible to say anyone Hispanic is in an interracial relationships in general when they could have a interracial marriage with both being Hispanic, or a Hispanic say Christina Aguilera married to the guy she married, that isn't an interracial marriage they are both white.

 

And, as I said, there is enough of a distinction, even with Hispanics having a community with the largest range of races included. Keep in mind that Hispanics being the most or largest anything does not mean much. All it does is establish a ranking.

[S_A]

Hmmm... I must be at the right places at the right times....I see colored men with white girls often enough that it doesn't register to me as anything uncommon. Of course, this is in the cities, not necessarily in the suburbs or more rural areas.

 

I was referring to some people that post on the forum who would vent about not being able to attract white women. I don't think it's uncommon either. Asian men did used to have a challenge, but not anymore. Well, at least Korean guys seem to not have as much of a challenge.

[Quiet Storm]

My husband (black) and me (white) started dating in Baltimore in 1991. There seemed to be many interracial couples around. We had no Latinas in our area at all, though. It was a low income white and black school district. There were a lot of white girls with black guys, and quite a few white guys with black girls.

 

We generally experienced a range of reactions from being welcomed to being hated for it. I was jumped by black girls, but I didn't back down. After that they liked me, called me "crazy little white girl" and wanted to braid my hair. My husband's sisters welcomed me. He had a white best friend who dated mostly black girls. There was even slang/slurs for white people who went out with black people- "Yo Girls" and "Yo Boys".

 

Now we live in Maryland suburbs and it's very diverse. Our neighbors on our street are white, Indian, Asian, Jewish and black. Our oldest son is 20 and is attracted to all women.

 

Still not many Hispanics around here, though

Edited October 24, 2016 by Quiet Storm

[Lady2163]

I am a [white male] who pretty much only dates [black women] (or mixed). Do you have ethic or racial preferences? I have a friend who is all about Asian girls. He left Chicago, for a similar job in Vietnam, mainly for women. Another friend is all about tall Eastern Euro or Russian blond women. How about you?

 

I'm around 50 and I am attracted to men of all colors, ethnicities and countries of origin.

 

That said, I have a really low tolerance for complications.

 

Life is short. I don't want to be a step mother or weekend mother to another man's school aged children. I don't want the complications and hassle of,dealing with his Ex and/or his kids having control over my life and my schedule.

 

I'm quick to write off a man who gets in a funk and ruins our time together because his Ex pulls a stunt of some kind.

 

I've spent a lifetime seeing movies I didn't want to see, going to activities I didn't want to do, all because this is something some man wanted to do whether I liked it or not.

 

Now, I said all that, because even if I find a man who is not Caucasian interesting, funny, smart and attractive, I'm probably not going to date him.

 

Because I don't like obstacles and challenges right out of the gate.

 

I know this is just a discussion on dating, but my mind fast forwards to "relationship".

 

Let's say I meet a Filipino man and we become involved. I speak a bit of Tagalog, but I'm not fluent. Family functions could get on my nerves quickly. I wouldn't enjoy sponsoring X number of his family to come to the USA. I wouldn't enjoy this or that family member needing to live with us rent free for months or even years. Yet, oftentimes that is part of the culture. I have a friend who married a Filipina 40 years ago. He has brought over her parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, their spouses and kids. He is now bringing over cousins. His life has been a contestant flow of family members in and out of the house.

 

That would be sheer agony for me.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that at my age and place in life, don't have much desire to compromise my culture, my standards for someone who may have different standards.

[SammySammy]

I'm around 50 and I am attracted to men of all colors, ethnicities and countries of origin.

 

That said, I have a really low tolerance for complications.

 

Life is short. I don't want to be a step mother or weekend mother to another man's school aged children. I don't want the complications and hassle of,dealing with his Ex and/or his kids having control over my life and my schedule.

 

I'm quick to write off a man who gets in a funk and ruins our time together because his Ex pulls a stunt of some kind.

 

I've spent a lifetime seeing movies I didn't want to see, going to activities I didn't want to do, all because this is something some man wanted to do whether I liked it or not.

 

Now, I said all that, because even if I find a man who is not Caucasian interesting, funny, smart and attractive, I'm probably not going to date him.

 

Because I don't like obstacles and challenges right out of the gate.

 

I know this is just a discussion on dating, but my mind fast forwards to "relationship".

 

Let's say I meet a Filipino man and we become involved. I speak a bit of Tagalog, but I'm not fluent. Family functions could get on my nerves quickly. I wouldn't enjoy sponsoring X number of his family to come to the USA. I wouldn't enjoy this or that family member needing to live with us rent free for months or even years. Yet, oftentimes that is part of the culture. I have a friend who married a Filipina 40 years ago. He has brought over her parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, their spouses and kids. He is now bringing over cousins. His life has been a contestant flow of family members in and out of the house.

 

That would be sheer agony for me.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that at my age and place in life, don't have much desire to compromise my culture, my standards for someone who may have different standards.

 

I can definitely understand that. Don't have the time or the patience for complications or drama.

 

I just wouldn't assume an interracial relationship would be inherently problematic. I've had relatively drama-free interracial relationships. The cultural differences we had enhanced the experience and broadened my understanding and appreciation of other cultures. Otherwise, it was a regular relationship.

 

The Filipino example you gave would be a problem, but that shouldn't preclude all interracial relationships. I'd take things on a case-by-case basis.

[jen1447]

Yea lol, but the porn thing is meaningless. Especially when the interracial-porn term was coined in an era where the performers in porn, within the porn capital (which is where I am from), were 99.9% dominated by white women. So porn being interracial essentially meant that the scene needed to not involve a white guy, which basically meant it needed to involve a black guy (the third largest group of people in the industry at that time).

 

So? "Interracial" for porn purposes, today, still means black ppl having sex w white or Asian ppl. (Kinda strange that it doesn't even really mean white ppl having sex w Asian ppl but w/e.) That's significant bc porn trends represent demand, which is significant bc demand indicates it's part of the cultural zeitgeist. Which is all just a fancy way of saying when ppl think interracial, they bscly think white + black + some Asian.

 

Porn isn't exactly arm in arm w the dating world and dating sensibilities, but you'd still be hard-pressed in any sociological setting I'm aware of to see a European white + Latin white pairing described as "interracial."

 

Meaning ....Euro white + Latin white isn't the most common interracial pairing bc it isn't an interracial pairing. (Nevermind the fact that I strongly disagree even that it's more common than black + white. It isn't anywhere I'm familiar with, and I tend to get around a fair amount. Maybe SoCal is a large outlier microcosm or sth. I don't really think it's debatable that the largest interracial group overall is by far BM+WF, but maybe I've been living on Pluto the last couple decades and didn't know it. )

[S_A]

I forgot to mention my main reason for posting in this thread... My cousin (a male) and a couple of his friends (who are all Eastern European whites) all prefer black women. So they are just like the OP in that regard. The sad part though is that my cousin is actually married to an Eastern European woman but still messes around with black women behind her back (I feel like he cheats because he is, in part, enamored with them).

 

I have a good El Salvadorian friend who has a taste for all women that are not white.

 

My personal tastes though are for white women.

[S_A]

So? "Interracial" for porn purposes, today, still means black ppl having sex w white or Asian ppl. (Kinda strange that it doesn't even really mean white ppl having sex w Asian ppl but w/e.) That's significant bc porn trends represent demand, which is significant bc demand indicates it's part of the cultural zeitgeist. Which is all just a fancy way of saying when ppl think interracial, they bscly think white + black + some Asian.

 

Porn isn't exactly arm in arm w the dating world and dating sensibilities, but you'd still be hard-pressed in any sociological setting I'm aware of to see a European white + Latin white pairing described as "interracial."

 

Meaning ....Euro white + Latin white isn't the most common interracial pairing bc it isn't an interracial pairing. (Nevermind the fact that I strongly disagree even that it's more common than black + white. It isn't anywhere I'm familiar with, and I tend to get around a fair amount. Maybe SoCal is a large outlier microcosm or sth. I don't really think it's debatable that the largest interracial group overall is by far BM+WF, but maybe I've been living on Pluto the last couple decades and didn't know it. )

 

Saying porn is a good representation of real life with regard to relationships is no more valid than saying Star Trek is a good representation of real life. In Star Trek they have interracial couples. They also have people marrying droids/robots/cyborgs I think? This is perfect for those that prefer getting off with machines I suppose. They even have people hooking up with those from other species. IIRC, the Star Trek movie that came out a few years ago shows the main character having sex with a green chick. I think that would be a solid representation for those that are in to bestiality?

 

I may have mentioned that I will accept that WW + BM is the most common interracial pairing. What I am saying though is that whenever you have such a discussion, it is worth noting that the aggregate of White Men with Hispanic women crushes the combined total of WW + BM and WM + BW.

 

Now if you want to believe that Hispanics are white then that is 100% fine. But I do not agree with calling them white over what the Spaniards did. When you look at "white culture", it can be pretty homogeneous from one country to the next. This is even the case between Western and Eastern European culture. This homogeny does not come as a big surprise. However, when you look at Central American and South American culture, you will find that whatever it is that makes up their culture is completely novel. Their food, art, music, and dance etc does not parallel white culture. Hispanic/Latino contribution to humanity is novel.

 

This is not the first time I have heard people refer to Hispanics as white. It is a view I am definitely familiar with. However, it is my personal opinion that to declare Central and South Americans as white by virtue of some Spaniard arrival or some "labeling challenges" is intellectually irresponsible given how unique Hispanics are. That's not to mean that anyone is even wrong. Honestly, this discussion is moving to a realm that I do not want it go to. I am simply saying that if you're going to say a certain interracial pairing is more common than another, then you should include an asterisk about white men and Hispanic women.

 

You ever hear a Hispanic person say "white people can't dance"? Pretty sure most of us have

Edited October 25, 2016 by S_A

[Got it]

Saying porn is a good representation of real life with regard to relationships is no more valid than saying Star Trek is a good representation of real life. In Star Trek they have interracial couples. They also have people marrying droids/robots/cyborgs I think? This is perfect for those that prefer getting off with machines I suppose. They even have people hooking up with those from other species. IIRC, the Star Trek movie that came out a few years ago shows the main character having sex with a green chick. I think that would be a solid representation for those that are in to bestiality?

 

I may have mentioned that I will accept that WW + BM is the most common interracial pairing. What I am saying though is that whenever you have such a discussion, it is worth noting that the aggregate of White Men with Hispanic women crushes the combined total of WW + BM and WM + BW.

 

Now if you want to believe that Hispanics are white then that is 100% fine. But I do not agree with calling them white over what the Spaniards did. When you look at "white culture", it can be pretty homogeneous from one country to the next. This is even the case between Western and Eastern European culture. This homogeny does not come as a big surprise. However, when you look at Central American and South American culture, you will find that whatever it is that makes up their culture is completely novel. Their food, art, music, and dance etc does not parallel white culture. Hispanic/Latino contribution to humanity is novel.

 

This is not the first time I have heard people refer to Hispanics as white. It is a view I am definitely familiar with. However, it is my personal opinion that to declare Central and South Americans as white by virtue of some Spaniard arrival or some "labeling challenges" is intellectually irresponsible given how unique Hispanics are. That's not to mean that anyone is even wrong. Honestly, this discussion is moving to a realm that I do not want it go to. I am simply saying that if you're going to say a certain interracial pairing is more common than another, then you should include an asterisk about white men and Hispanic women.

 

You ever hear a Hispanic person say "white people can't dance"? Pretty sure most of us have

 

Nor does the US government merge hispanic and white together in census and EEO reporting. And I much prefer to go off of official/academic perimeters than arbitrary ones by LS posters.

[kmack513]

Nor does the US government merge hispanic and white together in census and EEO reporting. And I much prefer to go off of official/academic perimeters than arbitrary ones by LS posters.

 

The bulk of the hispanic immigration to the USA has been from Mexico, and then Cuba (especially in Florida). The average Mexican American is probably 45% Euro (high % Iberian) 45% Native American and the other 10% a mix of all kinds.

 

Even Cubans who identify as white have some mixture, many others are really mixed. Puerto Rican American lean more Euro DNA. Dominican Americans are mainly a mix of Euro and West African.

[SammySammy]

This reminded me of something. My Honduran girlfriend appeared "white" by most American standards. Until you heard her talk. The rednecks at our Southern US college would often do a double-take when they saw us together.

 

However, she was adamant that she was NOT "white". At least not in the American sense of the word. She was very proud of her Latin roots. Proud to be a Latina. I never tried to label her because it didn't matter to me.

 

I'm sure much of her ancestry can be traced to Europe. Like some can trace their ancestry to Africa, Asia, and, of course, the indigenous people. That's true throughout the Americas - North, Central, and South America.

 

Many of us are a mix of something, but our local culture plays a big role in how we are identified. No matter what racial box we try to put Latin people in, I think being Latin is a big part of their identity. Often more than our racial labels.

[jen1447]

The bulk of the hispanic immigration to the USA has been from Mexico, and then Cuba (especially in Florida). The average Mexican American is probably 45% Euro (high % Iberian) 45% Native American and the other 10% a mix of all kinds.

 

Even Cubans who identify as white have some mixture, many others are really mixed. Puerto Rican American lean more Euro DNA. Dominican Americans are mainly a mix of Euro and West African.

 

Meanwhile ....wasn't this thread once about interracial dating?

[stillafool]

Meanwhile ....wasn't this thread once about interracial dating?

 

I agree. Back on topic.

[kmack513]

Meanwhile ....wasn't this thread once about interracial dating?

LOL, well I think a large % of hispanic dating would be considered IR.

[jen1447]

I agree. Back on topic.

 

To that end ....

 

I've dated a few black women before. Always got a thrill out of the double no-no 'offensiveness' of appearing in public together while being same sex and mixed race.

 

In practical terms tho there really isn't a lot of difference IME. I guess you could say the black women I've dated have been generally less timid than other races by comparison.

[Quiet Storm]

S_A, I think you're judging the whole country based on your personal observations out west.

 

On the East Coast, white women/ black guys are by far the most common interracial couple. Jen seems to have observed the same in the Chicago area.

 

Maryland is about 58% white, 30% black and 8% Hispanic. There are just not many people of hispanic ethnicity around here, regardless of what race you want to consider them. Many big east coast cities like DC, Baltimore, Philly have significantly smaller Hispanic populations than LA. The exception to this would be NYC, but even when I'm there I see white/black couples as the most prevalent mix.

 

Being married to a black guy, I've gotten quite a few comments over the years from white women who say they're attracted to black men but felt that they couldn't seriously date or marry black guys due to family pressure. So I think this mix would be even more common if it weren't for the stigma often associated with it.

[MrBojangles]

Being married to a black guy, I've gotten quite a few comments over the years from white women who say they're attracted to black men but felt that they couldn't seriously date or marry black guys due to family pressure. So I think this mix would be even more common if it weren't for the stigma often associated with it.

 

 

I would add, that there are many people that still think of interracial dating as a sexual 'fetish', or just a 'phase'. I've actually heard people make comments like, "these relationships are only about the sex, and can't possibly involve 'LOVE', or be lasting relationships."

[Quiet Storm]

I would add, that there are many people that still think of interracial dating as a sexual 'fetish', or just a 'phase'. I've actually heard people make comments like, "these relationships are only about the sex, and can't possibly involve 'LOVE', or be lasting relationships."

 

Very true.

 

White girls with black guys often say that they are assumed to only be with him because of his dlck size or the sex. Another common stereotype is that white girls with black guys have daddy issues, are low class, have low self-esteem, are fat, can't get a white guy, etc.

 

I've been with my husband 25 years and have heard it all.

 

It's unfathomable to some people that an attractive white woman would genuinely be attracted to black guys and feel fortunate to be with them.