fenix Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 Independent women with their own ideas can be devoted and obedient too. I bet your wife could be a very good girl. No, an obedient person can't be an independent person... those adjetives disqualify each other... I don't want my wife to obey me because I am not her owner or superior, we are a team and there is not authority relationship between us. I am sorry for any woman who has to "obey" to their husband... that is not love.
fenix Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 Oh thanks for the clarification Fenix, as long as she is not 'Naughty'. When you first said Bad Girl I wondered. I think you really meant your wife has a challenging personality and is not a 'Push over'. However, that is like having a bronco in the stable, you need skills to be able to handle one and not everyone can. But the I think like attracts like and so if your wife has that type of personality I guess you have a complementary one to gel with her! Warm wishes. Ohhh but she is Naughty!! Just in the right way of Naughty... we are a very open couple (not open relationship or swinging, but other kind of games),justaguy, but we also have or game rules and we both play by the rules.
SammySammy Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 No, an obedient person can't be an independent person... those adjetives disqualify each other... I don't want my wife to obey me because I am not her owner or superior, we are a team and there is not authority relationship between us. I am sorry for any woman who has to "obey" to their husband... that is not love. So, the traditional marriage vows "to love, honor and obey" are contradictory and not possible? I may or may not have been serious with my initial response ... or was referring to something else, but it's interesting to see people's knee-jerk reactions to the word obedience. With that said, I'll bet your naughty and independent wife longs to show devotion and obey.
fenix Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 So, the traditional marriage vows "to love, honor and obey" are contradictory and not possible? I may or may not have been serious with my initial response ... or was referring to something else, but it's interesting to see people's knee-jerk reactions to the word obedience. With that said, I'll bet your naughty and independent wife longs to show devotion and obey. She doesn't obey me man, I don't expect that from her either... Traditional vows are that... traditional... and old... traditionally women couldn't vote or work... fortunately all that has changed and women don't need to obey to anyone. If you see knee jerk reactions to the word obey is because it shows a great disrespect for the feminine gender... My independent (naughty) wife has made me happy for the last 20 years and she has been devoted to me in the same way I have been devoted to her. We are happy the way we live and the way we have chosen to share our lives. We are a team, but I guess that is a very difficult concept to grasp for someone who seeks someone to submit their will to you... 1
SammySammy Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 She doesn't obey me man, I don't expect that from her either... Traditional vows are that... traditional... and old... traditionally women couldn't vote or work... fortunately all that has changed and women don't need to obey to anyone. If you see knee jerk reactions to the word obey is because it shows a great disrespect for the feminine gender... My independent (naughty) wife has made me happy for the last 20 years and she has been devoted to me in the same way I have been devoted to her. We are happy the way we live and the way we have chosen to share our lives. We are a team, but I guess that is a very difficult concept to grasp for someone who seeks someone to submit their will to you... I don't doubt she doesn't obey you. I'm sure that's true. Concepts to grasp .... 1
fenix Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 I don't doubt she doesn't obey you. I'm sure that's true. Concepts to grasp .... What you seem not to understand is that I don't demand obedience from her... it is not the case that she needs to obey me, nor do I need to obey her, we plan and do things together as a team...still not grasped the concept I am afraid...
SammySammy Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 What you seem not to understand is that I don't demand obedience from her... it is not the case that she needs to obey me, nor do I need to obey her, we plan and do things together as a team...still not grasped the concept I am afraid... I understand what you're saying. It's not particularly profound or interesting. What you've failed to understand is maybe you shouldn't take things people say on the internet literally or seriously. That maybe your desire to correct or inform someone is misguided. And that your wife WILL be devoted and obedient. Maybe not to you ....
fenix Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 I understand what you're saying. It's not particularly profound or interesting. What you've failed to understand is maybe you shouldn't take things people say on the internet literally or seriously. That maybe your desire to correct or inform someone is misguided. And that your wife WILL be devoted and obedient. Maybe not to you .... You can apply the above bold to yourself... just the fact that you are a serial cheater doesn't mean all people is a cheater... You know nothing about my marriage dynamics but is funny seeing you trying to plant any kind of doubt or insecurity on me... :rolleyes: I usually only take seriously people who has serious arguments... so don't worry for me taking you seriously any time soon :lmao:
SammySammy Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 You can apply the above bold to yourself... just the fact that you are a serial cheater doesn't mean all people is a cheater... You know nothing about my marriage dynamics but is funny seeing you trying to plant any kind of doubt or insecurity on me... :rolleyes: I usually only take seriously people who has serious arguments... so don't worry for me taking you seriously any time soon :lmao: Good. You are dismissed.
fenix Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 Good. You are dismissed. https://media.giphy.com/media/l0K4c7h5qXCMMu8o0/giphy.gif
Just a Guy Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 Hey August, you've raised a storm in a teacup with your query! Not quite a 'Good girl'!
stillafool Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 There's an odd assumption here that I asked this question because I was interested in changing myself... but I'm really not. I do think people who approach me with the assumption that I'm a "good girl" will be in for a surprise, and all I'd like to know is in how many ways. Not surprised at all about the post where I'm supposed to be myself, but lose the weight and control my mouth. What about you makes you a "good girl"? 2
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