Reasons Why Men Might Not Want to Get Married...

[tiki]

Originally posted by millefiori

What's the difference between a piece of art that you created and a Picasso? It's also something immaterial.

 

The handbag that is more expensive has a better design and better quality. You're in as far right when you say that they are overpriced and that this is due to the brand name, but you can also say this about cars and other pieces with fancy high-technology. Why do people need cars that are equipped to drive through deserts and jungles??? What's the sense in investing more money into something that you will never need in your life, because as your big butt indicates, you probably spend more time in front of your tv than going out and exploring anything.

 

:lmao: Lord knows Hummers aren't really made for pavement.

[Woggle]

Originally posted by millefiori

Well, then just don't marry, who cares.... If you're so happy alone, then live it to the fullest.

I am happy and I am sharing my knowledge with others.

[millefiori]

Originally posted by Woggle

Nothing wrong with arguing. It's how you argue.

I never argue, I sit at home and wait till my master comes home.

[Woggle]

Originally posted by tiki

:lmao: Lord knows Hummers aren't really made for pavement.

 

I don't like hummer and suv drivers eithers. Women buy as many as suvs as men though.

[Woggle]

Originally posted by tiki

Including sleeping with the secretary. Oh, and buying the red convertible.

Like I said most women divorce over vague reasons such as finding themselves.

[tiki]

Okay. I recommend that you get married so that you can be tied down to one nag, obtain no sex, get b*tched out over every penny you spend, and get yelled at when you accidentally sprinkle on the toilet seat or leave it up.

 

That's all I have.

 

That was my sales pitch.

[Grinning Maniac]

Just to add to the pool, I don't have any interest in Hummers or SUVs either. Nothing special about them in my eyes. Wasteful.

 

An HDTV does have a purpose though. They're overpriced right now but eventually it will become a standard and thus cheaper. Your arguement is about as logical as saying: "But you can buy an Apple IIe over at the garage sale! Why do you want a PowerBook?"

 

Hurhur...better technology?

 

To the person who brought up Picasso....you couldn'tve made a worse arguement since I'm an artist.

 

A MINOR parallel could be drawn between someone buying a Picasso and buying an expensive handbag since both people would be buying something for aesthetics. BUT...the comparison is very weak and ends there.

 

You pay big money for Picasso because he is a famous artist of the past. You are essentially buying a piece of history. The person who designed your handbag is very likely still alive and probably won't be remembered after they're dead. Picasso will be known after we're BOTH dead. Furthermore you are not hanging your damned handbag on your wall for display. You are using it...as a handbag. So please don't use comparisons like that. It's cheapening to Picasso.

[Merin]

Interesting..

 

Woggle, I hope for you that you meet an amazing Woman that shows you something different then you've been shown previously.. it isn't Women being evil or bad or whatever it's that sometimes we as PEOPLE make decisions and/or choices in selecting a mate that perhaps met our needs at the time but for whatever reason(s) over time we no longer connected with.. I don't know that it so much makes ANYONE (The Man or the Woman) a bad person it just makes the situation no longer compatible or acceptable to one or both parties.

 

Divorce isn't a nice thing or a fun thing there is zero argument there.. there are a million reasons why people choose to divorce or choose to marry to begin with.. the bottomline is regardless of your circumstance hopefully you learn along the way, you don't make the same mistakes, and you don't allow bitterness or fear to drive you in making decisions in allowing someone else to love you.

[Woggle]

The $10.00 handbag and the $500.00 handbag are made in the same sweatshop by some 5 year old who gets beaten if he doesn't produce faster. The only difference is that the $500.00 handbag has Donna Karen's name printed on it.

 

A picasso is a work by an artist. You can't compare the 2 at all.

[Grinning Maniac]

Originally posted by Woggle

The $10.00 handbag and the $500.00 handbag are made in the same sweatshop by some 5 year old who gets beaten if he doesn't produce faster. The only difference is that the $500.00 handbag has Donna Karen's name printed on it.

 

A picasso is a work by an artist. You can't compare the 2 at all.

 

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

 

[Woggle]

Originally posted by Grinning Maniac

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

 

You can make it your sig.

[millefiori]

Originally posted by Grinning Maniac

To the person who brought up Picasso....you couldn'tve made a worse arguement since I'm an artist.

 

A MINOR parallel could be drawn between someone buying a Picasso and buying an expensive handbag since both people would be buying something for aesthetics. BUT...the comparison is very weak and ends there.

 

You pay big money for Picasso because he is a famous artist of the past. You are essentially buying a piece of history. The person who designed your handbag is very likely still alive and probably won't be remembered after they're dead. Picasso will be known after we're BOTH dead. Furthermore you are not hanging your damned handbag on your wall for display. You are using it...as a handbag. So please don't use comparisons like that. It's cheapening to Picasso.

Because he was famous?? That's your argument for spending a fortune for a picture of Picasso? Well, if this is a popularity contest, then Britney Spears probably would win it. And you think that it's about buying a piece of history??? The point is, you're buying this piece, because it's about ingenious artistry. Not because he's dead. You pay more, because he's not alive anymore to produce more, but being dead doesn't make you a good artist, just as being alive doesn't make you a bad one, see Van Gogh who never found acknowledgment of his work during lifetime.

 

Coco Chanel is still remembered, even though she's dead.

 

And let me ask you, if this is just about functionality, then why spend so much money on a picture? Get a cheap Picasso imitation and hang it on the wall, because most people wouldn't know the difference anyway.

 

I do not see a point in paying awful large sums for handbags, but your argumentation hasn't convinced me either.

[moimeme]

What is the difference between a cheap handbag and a $500 one?

 

The cheap handbag will last you maybe a year. The lining rips, the handle tears off, the closer quits closing. So you toss it out and have to buy another one. The $500 one is made better - despite your claims they're made in the same factories. They may be, but they're made to higher standards. Your $500. handbag should last you a lifetime. You buy a $25. handbag every year for 20 years or a $500 one to last a lifetime. Same diff.

 

Now, I'm not given to buying $500 handbags but your argument that there's no difference is incorrect.

 

That show is like a religion to shallow materialistic women. They were all annoyinh except for Miranda.

 

It's hilarious that a man who clearly was addicted to this show - at least enough to know the characters AND storylines warns against women who watch it. You'd have something in common LOL. Anyway, if only you'd read what people like me post, you might understand that the gals all ended up changing values. Samantha who scoffed at long-term relationships ended up in one. Miranda who was fiercely independent wound up needing Steve the plumber after all and wanting her baby. Charlotte who wanted the 'perfect man' who was fabulously wealthy and gorgeous got him, found he was no deal at all, and settled with a tubby balding lawyer.

You missed the moral tale of it all.

 

Like I said most women divorce over vague reasons such as finding themselves.

 

There is no truth whatsoever to this. How is it you can start a debate and think it's perfectly fine to put completely ridiculous statements like this in it and expect to be thought credible? Read the stats, bubba. You are dead, DEAD wrong.

 

An HDTV does have a purpose though. They're overpriced right now but eventually it will become a standard and thus cheaper

 

Yup. Like the 8-track, eh? And videotapes?

 

You pay big money for Picasso because he is a famous artist of the past.

 

And guess what? The guys who make designer handbags are famous artists of today. Can you design dresses the way Lauren or Valentino designs dresses? Your remark is as bad as that of the goof who looks at a Picasso and says 'any kid could do that'.

[scratch]

Originally posted by Grinning Maniac

Just to add to the pool, I don't have any interest in Hummers or SUVs either. Nothing special about them in my eyes. Wasteful.

 

The fact that you come down on this side with regard to SUVs and the other with regard to other technology shows how personal the concept of value truly is.

 

Originally posted by Grinning Maniac

An HDTV does have a purpose though. They're overpriced right now but eventually it will become a standard and thus cheaper. Your arguement is about as logical as saying: "But you can buy an Apple IIe over at the garage sale! Why do you want a PowerBook?"

 

Hurhur...better technology?

 

The key reasons to use more current computers are compatibility and speed. HDTVs are simply more pleasing to the eye for television enthusiasts, as are expensive handbags for fashion enthusiasts.

 

Originally posted by Grinning Maniac

A MINOR parallel could be drawn between someone buying a Picasso and buying an expensive handbag since both people would be buying something for aesthetics. BUT...the comparison is very weak and ends there.

 

You pay big money for Picasso because he is a famous artist of the past. You are essentially buying a piece of history. The person who designed your handbag is very likely still alive and probably won't be remembered after they're dead. Picasso will be known after we're BOTH dead..

 

You pay big money for a Picasso because of its scarcity, to which you correctly alluded. But if you take it one level further, you pay big money because the art has a high market value. From what I understand, there are often waiting lists for designer handbags, so maybe $500 isn't expensive enough.

 

Originally posted by Grinning Maniac

Furthermore you are not hanging your damned handbag on your wall for display. You are using it...as a handbag. So please don't use comparisons like that. It's cheapening to Picasso.

 

Above, you're arguing that items like TVs and computers should be more expensive because they have far more utility than a handbag. Here, you say that a handbag shouldn't be expensive because you use it, rather than hang it on the wall. You could not have contradicted yourself more perfectly.

[Cecelius]

Agree with Maniac. Overall, the social defaults about what is required of a married man make it EXTREMELY disadvantageous. Generally, marriage seems unwise for a man.

[Pyro]

Originally posted by Cwazydude

How neat, But I'm afraid the girls are right. Just because some chick ripped off your balls you don't need to take it out on the rest of them.

 

 

I agree completely. I want to get married someday. I have had my heartbroken before but that sure as hell is no reason to take it out on the entire female population. I have crashed and burned but I know that a Ms. Right is out there, just waiting for me to discover her.

 

I don't see anything wrong with spending my life with one women. I just have to meet the right one first.

[alphamale]

Originally posted by Cecelius

Agree with Maniac. Overall, the social defaults about what is required of a married man make it EXTREMELY disadvantageous. Generally, marriage seems unwise for a man.

Lets see what the sexes each get out of marriage:

 

For women:

- another income or an entire income from the man

- someone to father her children (which she keeps in case of divorce)

- someone to protect her

- a diamond ring

- bragging rights to her single friends

- a nice big $25,000 wedding with gifts

- security

- sex, when she wants it

 

For men:

- *nothing*

[Grinning Maniac]

Did I say that I thought the artwork was worth that much BECAUSE of the fact that he's dead? I certainly wouldn't pay it. But I can understand the arguement. My point was that it's probably part of the reason why they charge so much for it. It's not as if he'll be making more of them. Feed the sweatshop kids more gruel and keep them up and extra hour and you'll get more purses.

 

How is it a contradiction? You cannot compare a painting to a handbag. You're putting little gum wrappers and balls of lint inside of it. Therefore it's not entirely honest to act as if you've paid the money for some marvelous piece of art which you plan to cherish. You're sticking tampons and makeup in the damn thing. Materialism is materialism and it all sucks honestly, but I really get miffed at someone putting the purchase of an expensive purse that 1000 other people have on the same level as purchasing an painting which is one of a kind.

 

Why would I expect that a piece of artwork by Picasso would cost more than a handbag? The painting is something Picasso made himself. The bag was made in a sweatshop by some tyke. It's not unique. I'd be more willing to accept someone buying a bunch of design sketches from a designer for inflated prices than the bag itself. It's a fabrication of that person's unique design. Copies. Xeroxes by little kids with whip marks on them.

[XNemesisX]

Originally posted by Grinning Maniac

There are always exceptions and bless them, but it's sadly ironic now that women are "equal" that they're seemingly becoming equally repugnant.

 

If you can't beat 'em join 'em! j/k.

 

Originally posted by alphamale

Lets see what the sexes each get out of marriage:

 

For women:

- another income or an entire income from the man

- someone to father her children (which she keeps in case of divorce)

- someone to protect her

- a diamond ring

- bragging rights to her single friends

- a nice big $25,000 wedding with gifts

- security

- sex, when she wants it

 

For men:

- *nothing*

 

Let's revise this:

 

For women:

- another income or an entire income from the man

- someone to father her children (which she keeps in case of divorce)

- someone to protect her

- a diamond ring

- bragging rights to her single friends

- a nice big $25,000 wedding with gifts

- security

- sex, when she wants it

 

For men:

- another income (b/c most women work and make comparable salaries to men)

- someone to mother his children

- someone to take care of him

- emotional support

- security and companionship

- woman usually does most of the cleaning/cooking

- sex, when he wants it

 

Funny but in actual studies it's been shown that men benefit the most from marriage from a psychological standpoint. They are overall much happier and suffer depression less. Single and divorced men have the highest rates of suicide and mental disorder. Women are found not to show much difference psychologically after they are married. They aren't found to be much happier married than they were single. So basically, you all have your facts screwed up.

[Pyro]

Originally posted by XNemesisX

 

Single and divorced men have the highest rates of suicide and mental disorder.

 

I recently found out that an old co-worker of mine tried to end his life. He is still recovering and is unable to communicate, so knowone knows what his motive was, but I wouldn't doubt that him being 34, not having a GF and not being married may have played a role in it.

[Merin]

Originally posted by alphamale

Lets see what the sexes each get out of marriage:

 

For women:

- another income or an entire income from the man

- someone to father her children (which she keeps in case of divorce)

- someone to protect her

- a diamond ring

- bragging rights to her single friends

- a nice big $25,000 wedding with gifts

- security

- sex, when she wants it

 

For men:

- *nothing*

 

Let me see what did I get out of my marriage..

 

- 2 Beautiful Little People

- Debt

- Cheated on

- Lied to

- A ring that cost about 200 dollars it was all we could afford at the time

- A small wedding that was well under 5000 dollars

- Some nice wedding gifts that both my EXH and Myself registered for

 

What did My EXH get out of our marriage..

 

- 2 Beautiful Little People

- Sex with me, sex with others

- A ring that cost about as much as mine that we both paid for

- A small wedding under 5000 dollars

- Some nice weding gifts that we both registered for

- My firebird he had a broken down VW when I met him so he drove my car and later wrecked it

- Help in paying off his student loans I worked while he went to school

- Help with school work I wrote all of his psyche papers and all of his legal briefs

 

My EXH had nothing when I met him, I made more money then he did when we met, I had my own apartment when we met while he was still living at home..

 

This isn't a Man VS Woman issue.. it is sometimes people get into relationships/marriages that are not workable.

[alphamale]

Originally posted by XNemesisX

Funny but in actual studies it's been shown that men benefit the most from marriage from a psychological standpoint. They are overall much happier and suffer depression less.

Right XNX...and who funded those studies??? Let's see...N.O.W., Cosmopolitan magazine, Oprahs Female Research Institute (OFRI) and last but not least The Institute of Tomboy Studies (TITS)

[XNemesisX]

Originally posted by The Riddler

I recently found out that an old co-worker of mine tried to end his life. He is still recovering and is unable to communicate, so knowone knows what his motive was, but I wouldn't doubt that him being 34, not having a GF and not being married may have played a role in it.

 

I would bet money that that had a LOT to do with it.

 

I know a guy who is 27 and has never had a girlfriend, never been on a date, and never even been kissed. He also has attempted suicide and ended up in a mental institution not too long ago.

 

So I think men also really need that companionship. I mean, it shows that everyone is happier/suffers from depression less when they are in committed relationships so there is truth that marriage is very beneficial. Married people also live longer than single/divorced people. Men have the most drastic improvement in happiness than women. So I think this should be good reason for people (both genders, particularly men) to want to strive to be married. Unfortunately for some, (and who knows I might fall into this category someday), they are never able to find the right person and obtain a happy marriage. Those people will suffer the most.

[XNemesisX]

Originally posted by alphamale

Right XNX...and who funded those studies??? Let's see...N.O.W., Cosmopolitan magazine, Oprahs Female Research Institute (OFRI) and last but not least The Institute of Tomboy Studies (TITS)

 

 

No, this was in one of my textbooks for one of my Psy classes, I think the title of the book is "Psychology of Gender" don't quote me on that...I have sold the book back to UBS already. But trust me, it's in there and we covered it in class and the men AGREED in the class.

 

Besides Alpha, I remember on another thread you said yourself that married people are happier than single people...have you changed your mind on that?!

[Pyro]

Originally posted by XNemesisX

I would bet money that that had a LOT to do with it.

 

I know a guy who is 27 and has never had a girlfriend, never been on a date, and never even been kissed. He also has attempted suicide and ended up in a mental institution not too long ago.

 

It might be. He was fired from his job when we use to work together and I never heard from him, so I am not sure if he ever found another job. Now that i think about it, I think that he has never even been on a date either. I really hope that a mental institution is not his next destination.