carhill Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 Marketing is also very important. IOW, how a guy markets the means by which he lives and thrives is relevant to how any prospective mates view him. All else being equal, the better the marketing job, the more value is created. This is where I believe people who have jobs have an advantage because they've had to market themselves for a job in a quantifiable way. They've had to sell themselves on paper, produce resumes, attend interviews and convince those doing the hiring that they were the best person for the job and company. Those of us who 'sell' end users to make our living kinda do the same thing but it's not followed by a paper trail so is not as qualifiable. There's no evidence, like a resume or a W2 or the name of the company on the side of our vehicle. I grew up in a qualified household where the license plate on at least one vehicle in the garage always said 'government' or 'exempt' on it. There was no doubt that the driver worked for the government and got government perks like a car. Easy peasy. Sure he was a worker bee but he was a vetted worker bee. That has value. Women like value. Good on them for that.
Eternal Sunshine Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 Yes that is why it is so personal to each individual and like you are pointing where you are from, and the educational system of that place. The high school diploma of the US is different than the one in Canada, and those graduating simply high school in Europe are way ahead in terms of general knowledge compare to North America. But that being said I would much prefer dating a cultivated low pay blue collar than rich but dumb engineer. It's hard to be "dumb" if you have successfully completed a 5 year highly mathematical degree. Having a degree doesn't mean you are smart but engineering degree is not a good example. I also found that education system in AUS and especially US is so, so much easier than in Europe. I moved to Australia in the middle of high school and I found it ridiculously easy. I ended up being skipped 2 years ahead. So the level of general knowledge around here of someone that has only completed high school, is very, very, low. Not to mention the general amount of crassness, lack of an appreciation for culture, history and arts Last year I was in France and this taxi driver that only completed high school was very knowledgeable, cultured and intelligent. I would date him with no problem; sadly the same is not true in Australia. I keep giving blue collared men a chance through OLD but they keep being the worst and most mismatched dates I ever have.
BikerAccnt Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 I agree to a point. What you describe is NOT typical. Where I am now, in the SOUTH of the USA, you can count on a great deal of ignorance both in terms of culture, contemporary knowledge if one does not have a degree. A bit stereotypical would't you say? An advanced education does not guarantee a "cultured" individual. I know plenty of people with degree's that are completely clueless beyond the field they studied. 1
Gr8fuln2020 Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 A bit stereotypical would't you say? An advanced education does not guarantee a "cultured" individual. I know plenty of people with degree's that are completely clueless beyond the field they studied. Yes. I am not trying to be absolute on this observation, but my experience has been spot on so far.
Amelie1980 Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 I agree to a point. What you describe is NOT typical. Where I am now, in the SOUTH of the USA, you can count on a great deal of ignorance both in terms of culture, contemporary knowledge if one does not have a degree. A degree doesnt make you cultured at all. I know someone with a degree who couldnt name most world capital cities even the easy ones and had never set foot inside our cities most famous art galleries and museums despite having lived there since birth. he had a degree and masters.
Gr8fuln2020 Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 A degree doesnt make you cultured at all. I know someone with a degree who couldnt name most world capital cities even the easy ones and had never set foot inside our cities most famous art galleries and museums despite having lived there since birth. he had a degree and masters. Again, I am not trying to be absolute on this assertion. I have observed a trend that has been consistent. Of course it is not always true. 1
Amelie1980 Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 For a laugh: general knowledge on a Saturday: try this quiz: World Capitals Quiz It is great fun. Within the time given, no cheating, no preparation, I got 130 right out of 196 and I am disappointed with that result. I have a degree and I am from Europe. See what you know without looking them up. As far as a mans job goes. I work in a top profession, so I do alright. A man for me needs to be able to be financially independent and knowledgeable but dont specify a profession.
basil67 Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 My minimum is that a guy should be employable. That said, the fact that I've become a carer makes me appreciate that my husband earns a 3 figure salary (with no uni degree as it so happens) so that we can still live well. As for me, I didn't have a career when we met - just a job. It's turned out for the best. I think that I would be really unhappy as a carer if I'd had to leave behind a career that I loved. Or perhaps I'd be the earner and he'd be the carer. Either way, one of us would have had to walk away from working and be dependent on the other.
Sunkissedpatio Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 Important. I don't care if he is blue collar or white collar (though I tend to attract white collar) as long as he is well-rounded and I can have intelligent conversations with him because I fall in love like that. I would never fall in love with someone who is not informed I wouldn't be compatible. But more importantly his values, his morals, and his life goals are a must. When I met my ex he had been in "starting over from his divorce and child support" mode for a good 10 years. He had good career but for a man in his 40's he was not your typical well-established middle aged guy. That didn't stop me and we had a great life together from a financial stand-point we travelled at least twice a year, we ate out in the best restaurants almost every weekend, spent us much money as we liked on entertainment and things we liked because we could. So I didn't care that he didn't have his own house and the best car and all that bullsht because in the end we have the best life together you can afford, we were deprived of nothing of the things we love to do. 1
Blanco Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 Yes but what I am saying is.....knowing that Boise is capital of Idaho....more power to you for example. But if you know nothing off your own shores, geographically or culturally, some people have said they want a well rounded individual. If you dont know or care about anything that goes on outside your shores that's for you to decide. Proud to be backward works for some people. This isnt a debate about Trump or being against multiculturalism. His post history already reveals what his agenda on this forum is. Just ignore. 2
JDPT Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 I think this ubiquitous fallacy where men have to be the bread winners and earn a higher income is bs. I think men predominantly or perhaps subconsciously seek women who are in a "lower" career status then they are. It's a boost in ego and i'm confident that a significant amount of men would agree. I personally believe that if the chick can't pull her own weight then she'll just drown. I have so much respect for a hard working girl who can pull her own weight financially and wouldn't need me for anything other then what I can offer her as a man in a relationship. With this being said I never expected anything from women. I've been in relationships were the woman earned more than I did yet I would still do the men thing and pay for things. And when it was her turn to pay she would do nice things for me as well and vice versa. Lastly, taking advantage of your "title" and earning potential to feel better or believe you have the upper hand in a relationship is just wrong. 2
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