betnow Posted July 2, 2005 Posted July 2, 2005 everyone has different levels of faith and some none at all. and this may sound like a holyroller comment, but its the truth. god is greater than all of your problems. meaning he can change anything, but you have to believe that he can and consider it done, not just pray and think it. and i know plenty who write in hear have prayed for help with these situations, because i know i have. i know its hard but when you pray, consider it done. and god will give it to you. trust. sometimes i know i should take my own advice. someone will get something out of this.
snailz Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 i have to disagree here, i believe in god but i dont believe he is the answer to everyones problems, so many things happen in the world which is out of gods control, people die everyday- no matter how much you pray or dont want it to happen. i do believe that prayer can help but thats as far it goes, maybe im just not a big believer, other ppl may agree with you, i dont know, i wish i did believe in what you said 100% but stuff thats happened recently in my life makes me think otherwise.
Candy Cane Posted July 5, 2005 Posted July 5, 2005 Things don't always turn out okay no matter how much one prays or believes. Sometimes we don't get what we want or need and we are just left to suffer. It's easy to say that God always takes care of us when we have our needs being taken care of. It's not so easy to say that when our needs aren't being met. I understand that life is a balance of good and evil and everything in between. It must be that way or else there is no contrast in which to appreciate the good. However, I don't really understand prayer. Maybe prayer is just a source for comfort when we are feeling desperate. But to say that God will give us what we pray for is simply untrue. The good news is that, given this reality, we should all appreciate the little miracles we have been blessed with and to cherish them...because they aren't guaranteed. Well...that's just what I think.
ReluctantRomeo Posted July 5, 2005 Posted July 5, 2005 Originally posted by Candy Cane Things don't always turn out okay no matter how much one prays or believes. I agree. And I'm sure that Job, Jeremiah and John the apostle would be with me on this.
totallyconfused Posted July 5, 2005 Posted July 5, 2005 I believe God helps us to help ourselves. So we need both God and to listen and make our own decisions.
Jadey Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 I believe that everything happens for a reason and that are paths are already mapped out, our life is already told. So god doesnt stop things cos he made them happen in the first place. I know its hard to get why hed do some things but they are for a reason..Not just to be an a**h***..
lvgrl Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 Originally posted by Jadey I believe that everything happens for a reason and that are paths are already mapped out, our life is already told. So god doesnt stop things cos he made them happen in the first place. I know its hard to get why hed do some things but they are for a reason..Not just to be an a**h***.. I guess maybe I am just at a point in my life where faith, and all that jazz just doesnt click. Its like I get it, I just dont understand it..I am confused about it all and that is where I stand.. I have always thought that our lives were already mapped out and everything we do is already known..ya know? But then I was thinking the other day, so God planned on me smoking pot, and getting drunk? No, I didnt think so.. No, I dont think that anymore..I think that we create our own destiny, Whatever road or travel we go on is OURS. But then again, how am I to know? How is anyone to know?? Like reading the bible for example, I cant. I mean yes I can read, but I cant see putting all of my faith,and everything I have into believing that everything in the bible is true, expecially since it was created by man. I dont know...
lvgrl Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 and by the way, what is this topic doing in the breaking up thread? lol
sadgirlRN Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 i see it this way. I believe that God has a plan for our lives but he has also given us a thing called free will, hence the whole eating of the apple in the Garden of Eden. He has put things in front of us and it is our choice to accept them or turn away. I believe that God has a plan for us, a good plan and he wants us to be happy. Happy and fulfilled in Him. He created everything and He that is love Himself created us to love and be loved. The problem is, is that we are human and not perfect. So that love he created to be perfect gets distorted because of our imperfection and it causes us pain at times. I also believe that we are never given more then we can handle, even though it seems it more often than we like. One thing that i have learned in my life is that suffering is not always a bad thing. It can be used to learn a lot about ourselves, what we really want, how we truly work, and can bring great growth in our lives, if we let it. Ok i'll stop now, just a few of my thoughts. Hang in there everyone, we are survivors!
TUDOR Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 I posted on this topic before and SadgirlRN hit on it. We have been blessed with free will and to say your life is mapped out already is a contradiction to the very meaning of free will. I believe God or what ever higher power you report to put things in motion and now we live our lives as we wish. There is no divine intervention IMO that changes any outcomes in our lives. I believe the choice of how to live your live was giving to us because by doing it right and doing it a manner that God wants you to or would approve of is what makes it matter most. I mean if you were just following marching orders and doing what you were told instead of having no direction but did the right thing any way.....which one has more meaning. To say I put it all in God's hands it not take any responsibility for your own actions is just being irresponsible. I'm all for prayer and supporting those in need and in bad times but I pray for them to have the strength and courage to get through it not for some higher power to do it for them. To live life is to loose, to hurt, to laugh, to cry. to love, etc.....these are all part of life for all of us and they come from ourselves, friends, family, spouses, etc....not because God wanted you to have them or not to have them. Ok...enough of that, just my 2 cents.
ReluctantRomeo Posted July 8, 2005 Posted July 8, 2005 Originally posted by lvgrl and by the way, what is this topic doing in the breaking up thread? lol Breaking up with God?
ButtonPusher Posted July 8, 2005 Posted July 8, 2005 Hehe i dumped God a long time ago. It wasnt a fulfilling relationship. I didnt cheat or anything, but I found a replacement.
Seducer11 Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 I believe watever happened in this world is all about fate n destiny.I think god already wrote in his book the fate n destiny of each person.Someone's death is wat we called fate.I'm sure there is a reason n wisdom behind every bad things tat occured.By praying, god (at his will)can protect us from all of these unwanted things.Praying is nothing more than asking for help from the one tat created us; God.But sometimes even after praying bad things still happened to us.Our prayer are not answered.It is b'coz that god only answer prayer from someone that has faith in him.But most importantly god answer prayers at his own will.We can only planned but god decides everything.And the reason why some prayers are not answer is maybe b'coz god wants them to learn from the bad things that has happened to them..Afterall life is the nothing more than learning various lessons n that lessons is repeated until it is learned.If god would answered everyone prayer then everybody will have the same pattern of life.They will never suffer hence they will never learn anything n surely they would not be any compassionate.
butterfly29 Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 Well, maybe the reason why people lose faith in God is because they haven't properly defined God for themselves in the first place. Who is to say that you have to believe in what you're told. Christianity itself has been misunderstood, misinterpreted, misused and abused for 2 thousand years. And so are many other religions. And no wonder why is that, when you apply the generalized notion of God to you personal life, it doesn't quite work or make any sence. But how can one believe in something that doesn't make sence or cary any logic behind it at all? Because one has need to. And yet, senceless faith is exactly what leads to fanatisism. God doesn't have to be some guy in the sky who controls your life and destiny and creates a program by which you live. God isn't someone who listens to everyone's prayer and puts it on a list for his consideration like Santa Clause. And finally, God doesn't have to be "he". All you need to do really is let God be part of who you are. And what you really believe in is that part of yourself. This faith is what saves you, and your own definition of God is just there to help you create that faith. and by the way, what is this topic doing in the breaking up thread? lol Actually ivgrl, this topic is apropriate because faith is the only thing that helps us deal with broken up relationships. Faith is what helps you redefine who you are. We all do tend to lose ourselves in relationships and expecially when we lose that other person, what hurts the most is the fact that we suddenly don't know who we are anymore now that, what we used to think was part of us, is gone cold turkey.
semi Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 does this website have sort of an underlying religious agenda? not that it really matters but i was just wondering.
westernxer Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 Originally posted by semi does this website have sort of an underlying religious agenda? not that it really matters but i was just wondering. No, but some of its members do. Oh well, whatever makes people feel good, I suppose. As long as I don't suffocate from religious ideology, I'm cool with it.
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