Do some women lie about wanting a 2nd Date?

[Redhead14]

How old is that girl OP?

 

It doesn't matter how old she is . . . he's 27 a grown man, near 30. He can take the bull by the horns and pick up the phone and call her and start a new trend. "OMG, people can hear a voice thru these things? That's so cool."

[Gaeta]

It doesn't matter how old she is . . . he's 27 a grown man, near 30. He can take the bull by the horns and pick up the phone and call her and start a new trend. "OMG, people can hear a voice thru these things? That's so cool."

 

I was trying to gadge her level of maturity.

 

OP is it the same girl as in your last thread?

[Redhead14]

I was trying to gadge her level of maturity.

 

OP is it the same girl as in your last thread?

 

I got that . . . but I'll never get past the effectiveness and personal touch of a phone call And, at 25 she should be matured beyond the "girl" level. She's a woman now . . . It's time someone starts treating her and expecting her to act like one.

 

I know, I know, I'm old-fashioned.

[Dis]

A mantra to live by! So very true.

 

This goes for women who are dating too.

 

Both men and women say all sorts of things they may not mean or follow through with when it comes to dating. Thats why we cant take our date's word as bible

 

OP, I've read this entire thread (its jumped up a notch)

 

I have to be honest hun...trying to shake you awake...all this Corey Wayne advice is utterly delusional...you are going to have a very tough time finding someone if you continue to listen to his advice

 

I'm a woman and I can tell you his advice is completely contradictory to how women really think

 

Good luck OP, I really...really think you're going to need it

[Dis]

 

Sure she may be getting lots of messages, but I just joined match and the majority of those messages are.... well, meh. Pass.

 

OMGGGG Yayyyyy Katie!!!!! SO excited for you! Go get'em girly!!! Remember you're the prize!!!

[Swan89]

Brb just going to kill myself

[Dis]

Brb just going to kill myself

 

Hun! I know this is hard for you...trust me...I hate dating too! But sweetie...you are fine the way you are! You dont need to change a thing! I think you're a sweet guy whos trying to hide the good, lovable parts of himself in an attempt not to get hurt. I understand that. We're all scared of getting hurt. You're far from the only frustrated/scared dater here. Take comfort in knowing that. I just had a break up...its so hard when things dont pan out.

 

This will be a little blip on your road...you'll look back on this and realize every moment of this was all worth it! One step at a time hun...thats all we can do

 

Listen to the advice your getting here and put into action

 

You ok hun????

[Swan89]

Hun! I know this is hard for you...trust me...I hate dating too! But sweetie...you are fine the way you are! You dont need to change a thing! I think you're a sweet guy whos trying to hide the good, lovable parts of himself in an attempt not to get hurt. I understand that. We're all scared of getting hurt. You're far from the only frustrated/scared dater here. Take comfort in knowing that. I just had a break up...its so hard when things dont pan out.

 

This will be a little blip on your road...you'll look back on this and realize every moment of this was all worth it! One step at a time hun...thats all we can do

 

Listen to the advice your getting here and put into action

 

You ok hun????

 

Thanks for your kindness and input

[Teknoe]

OP, I've read this entire thread (its jumped up a notch)

 

I have to be honest hun...trying to shake you awake...all this Corey Wayne advice is utterly delusional...you are going to have a very tough time finding someone if you continue to listen to his advice

 

I'm a woman and I can tell you his advice is completely contradictory to how women really think

 

Good luck OP, I really...really think you're going to need it

 

Hey Dis,

I could PM you because I don't want to "derail" this topic too much but I also feel it may help the guys here. I've followed mildly Corey Wayne's videos. I always felt like he was more right than wrong. Can you share with us what you think are some contradictory points that she makes?

 

Really curious to hear more on this, and I hope OP doesn't mind. This might be great insight for all of us

[Dis]

Thanks for your kindness and input

 

Hun...I know this all seems very overwhelming...all this contrasting input...posters telling you you're wrong or you're right...and you're still left thinking about this girl

 

I know you're caught up in all this and cant see straight but I promise everything will work out...all you have to do is be yourself...much easier than following someone else's rules right???

 

You will be perfect for the right girl hun! Down the road you'll look back at all this and be so glad you survived it because you ended up with a wonderful woman that you didnt need to fake it with...you are yourself...she is herself and nothing could be better.

 

Dont despair hun.... I know sometimes the advice here can come off as harsh (I'm guilty of that) But its because we care and we're trying to steer you in the right direction

 

Most of us are in the same boat as you...we're out there looking for our other half...we've gotten our hearts broken...we've gotten rejected...we're still searching. You're not alone sweetie.

 

We're here for you!

[Dis]

Hey Dis,

I could PM you because I don't want to "derail" this topic too much but I also feel it may help the guys here. I've followed mildly Corey Wayne's videos. I always felt like he was more right than wrong. Can you share with us what you think are some contradictory points that she makes?

 

Really curious to hear more on this, and I hope OP doesn't mind. This might be great insight for all of us

 

Of course hun! I'm far from an expert on dating...I've yet to have a successful relationship and I have soooo much to improve on... but I'm happy to share my insight as a woman. PM me anytime hun

[katiegrl]

This goes for women who are dating too.

 

Both men and women say all sorts of things they may not mean or follow through with when it comes to dating. Thats why we cant take our date's word as bible

 

OP, I've read this entire thread (its jumped up a notch)

 

I have to be honest hun...trying to shake you awake...all this Corey Wayne advice is utterly delusional...you are going to have a very tough time finding someone if you continue to listen to his advice

 

I'm a woman and I can tell you his advice is completely contradictory to how women really think

 

Good luck OP, I really...really think you're going to need it

 

Hey Dis....luv ya girlfriend and hey thanks for the good wishes re match!

 

But re Corey Wayne's advice, did you always feel it was delusional?

 

I mean you are a bit older now, 30, so it makes sense you wouldn't respond to it *now*.....but when you were in your 20s, didn't you too get involved with guys who kept you guessing, wondering... didn't overwhelm you with attention or affection?

 

You fell in love with a few of them, if my memory serves me correctly. And you stayed until the bitter end.

 

THAT is the demographic of women we are talking about here, women in their early-mid 20s.

Immature, unenlightened. Women who respond to the *challenge*. Not all, but many.

 

Women who claim they want better treatment , but choose to remain with the bad boy anyway. Claiming she loves him. Or too weak to leave or whatevs.

 

Then when they do meet a guy who *does* treat them better, gives them loads of attention, she flakes on him!!

 

You have read these threads, unfortunately this is the harsh reality many young men are dealing with.... it's all over this board. From both men and women...... in their 20s....

 

That is why these dating advice books were written. For men in their 20s who are forced to deal with this dichotomy from women, also in their 20s. I would imagine it's quite confusing!

 

Changing subjects for a sec.... you sound awesome ! So happy for ya... you soooo made the right decision! You rock!

Edited July 1, 2016 by katiegrl

[Dis]

Hey Dis....luv ya girlfriend and hey thanks for the good wishes re match!

 

But re Corey Wayne's advice, did you always feel it was delusional?

 

I mean you are a bit older now, 30, so it makes sense you wouldn't respond to it *now*.....but when you were in your 20s, didn't you too get involved with guys who kept you guessing, wondering... didn't overwhelm you with attention or affection?

 

You fell in love with a few of them, if my memory serves me correctly. And you stayed until the bitter end.

 

THAT is the demographic of women we are talking about here, women in their early-mid 20s.

Immature, unenlightened. Women who respond to the *challenge*. Not all, but many.

 

Women who claim they want better treatment , but choose to remain with the bad boy anyway. Claiming she loves him. Or too weak to leave or whatevs.

 

Then when they meet a guy who *does* treat them better, gives them loads of attention, she flakes on him!!

 

You have read these threads, it's all over this board. From both men and women...... in their 20s....

 

That is why these dating advice books were written. For men in their 20s who are forced to deal with this dichotomy from women, also in their 20s. I would imagine it's quite confusing!

 

Changing subjects for a sec.... you sound awesome ! So happy for ya... you soooo made the right decision! You rock!

 

I just dont think a healthy relationship can develop from this kind of beginning. This the OP said, he would have to keep this up forever....geez how could that end up working? Eventually the girl would get sick of being treated like a toy and take off

 

I do agree though that some men on here do put women on pedestals...some men think that because we're women we have some magical upperhand...thats just not the case....theres tons of women that post here in their early-mid twenties that feel awful when the guy there dating blows them off and doesnt contact them. So I do think some guys need to stop thinking of us as gods who hold all the cards....we're on an equal playing field

 

I do recognize that some women have a f**** up view on dating and lust after emotionally unavailable men...but if I were a guy I wouldnt change anything about myself to suit those types of women...I'd be myself and attract a healthy woman who wants what I want.

 

I just think its best to be yourself in dating....whether that turns some people off or on..being genuine is most important....if the OP or any guy is not himself 100% it would never work anyway...eventually his true self would be revealed and mistery would be gone

 

I know I've been in some messed up relationships but I havent been turned on by an unintersted guy since I was a teenager. When my most recent ex became aloof and that didnt turn me on...it just drove me to the brink of insanity and then I dumped him.

 

When my ex before that dropped me like a sack of trash...I in no way shape or form stuck around...wishing he'd want me back. I moved on immediately and when he did contact me saying he was wrong...there was no way I'd go back to someone who treated me with such disregard...I never contacted him again

 

So...yes I do think that 95% of Corey Wayne's advice is b.s

 

And thanks girly! I feel awesome! And I know you're going to do soooo great on match!!! Keep us updated!!!

Edited July 1, 2016 by Disillusionment373

[katiegrl]

I just dont think a healthy relationship can develop from this kind of beginning. This the OP said, he would have to keep this up forever....geez how could that end up working? Eventually the girl would get sick of being treated like a toy and take off

 

I do agree though that some men on here do put women on pedestals...some men think that because we're women we have some magical upperhand...thats just not the case....theres tons of women that post here in there early-mid twenties that feel awful when the guy their dating blows them off and doesnt contact them. So I do think some guys need to stop thinking of us as gods who hold all the cards....we're on an equal playing field

 

I do recognize that some women have a f**** up view on dating and lust after emotionally unavailable men...but if I were a guy I wouldnt change anything about myself to suit those types of women...I'd be myself and attract a healthy woman who wants what I want.

 

I just think its best to be yourself in dating....whether that turns some people off or on..being genuine is most important....if the OP or any guy is not himself 100% it would never work anyway...eventually his true self would be revealed and mistery would be gone

 

I know I've been in some messed up relationships but I havent been turned on by an unintersted guy since I was a teenager. When my most recent ex became aloof and that didnt turn me on...it just drove me to the brink of insanity and then I dumped him.

 

When my ex before that dropped me like a sack of trash...I in no way shape or form stuck around...wishing he'd want me back. I moved on immediately and when he did contact me saying he was wrong...there was no way I'd go back to someone who treated me with such disregard...I never contacted him again

 

So...yes I do think that 95% of Corey Wayne's advice is b.s

 

And thanks girly! I feel awesome! And I know you're going to do soooo great on match!!!

 

Ok fair enough!

 

And yeah I think his advice his BS too, and have said so... I wouldn't last two minutes with a guy who follows it.... ugh.

 

But I am 37, there was a time when I too responded to the challenge, so I can relate. Sort of.

 

I guess guys are just getting sick of being flaked on, so are willing to try anything, no matter how delusional it is........

[mortensorchid]

It sounds like she isn't very interested. I am, however, proud of you that you attempted to reach out within 24/48 hours after meeting her, because that indicated that you were. If a man did not reach out to me within 24/48 hours after the first get together, I know he's not that interested in me. But since you did, I would say by the action that she is not very interested in you. Move on.

[Versacehottie]

LOL Corey Wayne. Nice reference. Gave you a like just for the CW shout out

 

LOL, I wish it was just a funny reference!!! He is mentioned often in the thread in guru way. Go figure.

[TheFinalWord]

I've followed mildly Corey Wayne's videos. I always felt like he was more right than wrong.

 

CW is a trigger word

 

[Swan89]

I agree that you should be genuine and be yourself, its what I want to do. It has sadly come to the point where I've found myself trying to apply a new method. While a lot of his teaching is a little over top and strict, his method does work to a degree. I think any man can benefit from at least applying some of those rules to aid himself and prevent falling into the traps of chasing and approval seeking. It seems as though it should be used as a rough guideline and not to be followed like a script because this is real life and people respond to all different kinds of things.

[LookAtThisPOst]

I have to be honest hun...trying to shake you awake...all this Corey Wayne advice is utterly delusional

 

Oh wow, just recently a male friend of mine is pretty much pushing this crap on me all the time. Said "it changed his life!" and now he's getting dates every weekend left and right AND brags how he's unemployed currently and it's not scaring these ladies off.

 

I know some female friends that know this guy, and they all think he's a player, sleeps around, not looking for commitment.

 

He tells me he's NOT a player, regardless of what his friendship circles of females say.

 

I was talking to a close female friend about him and how he listens to that crap and she was like "Don't listen to that jerk."

 

One day, I told her I was going out on a date and she asked me, "Now, did it take listening to this guy to win a date with this woman?"

 

I said, "Nope" and she was like "There you go then."

 

She even followed up on me out of hte blue prior to going out with this woman, saying to just "Be myself" and nothing more and wished me luck, which was nice of her.

 

It seems she had genuine concern that I would just be sabatoging myself by listening to Corey Wayne and those who take his so-called YouTube videos to gospel.

[joseb]

Who the **** is Corey Wayne??

 

I know, I know - google - but I feel like I should know, given all the references here!

[clia]

If I had a first date with a guy on a Thursday, I honestly wouldn't expect to hear from him until Sunday or Monday, once the weekend was over. I would expect he would have plans with family and friends, errands, and other weekend stuff, etc. I was usually busy myself for the weekend (and certainly booked up by Thursday anyway.).

 

So to me, the four days wouldn't have mattered. It's not that long, especially when it falls over a weekend. And I think if she is really into you, four days isn't going to put her off anyway.

 

I think it's more likely that she was having fun with you in the moment, agreed to the date, but then felt meh about things after she thought about it more. I'm not sure contacting her sooner would've prevented that.

[Swan89]

If I had a first date with a guy on a Thursday, I honestly wouldn't expect to hear from him until Sunday or Monday, once the weekend was over. I would expect he would have plans with family and friends, errands, and other weekend stuff, etc. I was usually busy myself for the weekend (and certainly booked up by Thursday anyway.).

 

So to me, the four days wouldn't have mattered. It's not that long, especially when it falls over a weekend. And I think if she is really into you, four days isn't going to put her off anyway.

 

I think it's more likely that she was having fun with you in the moment, agreed to the date, but then felt meh about things after she thought about it more. I'm not sure contacting her sooner would've prevented that.

 

This was exactly my mentality. I even asked a close female friend what she would honestly think if this happened to her and she said she wouldn't be angry because its only a few days and perfectly reasonable, people have lives.

I think you could be right though, and I definitely sensed there wasn't really any chemistry, but I thought I'd give it a chance and see if the nerves settle and the bonding comes out through a second date.

[Jabron1]

Let me get this right, because this is a confusing thread.

 

I'm not familiar with 'Corey Wayne', but from what you've said here, your/his game seems to be about filtering for very high-interest.

 

You achieved that. You filtered out a girl who's interest was middling.

 

So, why are you irritated by it?

[Teknoe]

Who the **** is Corey Wayne??

 

I know, I know - google - but I feel like I should know, given all the references here!

 

An online dating/life coach and author. Probably makes a decent chunk of change off of it too.

[katiegrl]

CW is a trigger word

 

 

Thanks for the link TFW. I listened to a couple of videos, and I agree with him on certain things, like paying attention to actions vs. words, not chasing, not over-investing too early on, making sure she is both reciprocating and initiating, that you're not doing ALL the work... standing up for yourself, NOT tolerating BS.... etc.

 

Essentially holding yourself to a high self esteem and maintaining your self-respect.

 

Women should be doing this too!

 

What I don't agree with are the strategies (games) he suggests men employ in an attempt to increase a woman's interest level.

 

CW doesn't come out and say it... but it was pretty obvious to me what he is suggesting/advising guys to do is behave in ways such that HIS own insecurity is flipped back on to the woman. Better the woman feel off balance and insecure than the man, right guys? Better the woman chases you than you chase her, right? NO! Not right. It should be an equal balance of give a take, not one person (the woman) chasing the other (the man).

 

I mean, intentionally waiting 3-4 days to call after a first meet, NOT calling to confirm a date.... setting things up so SHE is essentially chasing you.... no THAT I do not agree with it at all!

 

That is game playing and manipulating.

 

But overall I agree with him about standing up for yourself, not tolerating BS.... and don't give more than you receive.

 

On a side note, I found it difficult to actually look at him so I put my tablet down and simply listened.

 

He is just so physically unappealing (to me) and shady looking... I had a very negative visceral reaction looking at him.

 

I can't imagine him being successful with women, but whatevs.... some women might find him attractive, I didn't!

Edited July 1, 2016 by katiegrl