Merin Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by DacaInaru hmmm.. I guess when my daughter's father tried to push me down a flight of steps while I was pregnant with her..I should have just by pass that as a slight imprefection.. and I should have fought to keep my family together.. damn.. I'm learning so much with this thread.. scary For real...
A Fly onThe Wall Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by DacaInaru hmmm.. I guess when my daughter's father tried to push me down a flight of steps while I was pregnant with her..I should have just by pass that as a slight imprefection.. and I should have fought to keep my family together.. damn.. I'm learning so much with this thread.. scary Dacaru.. That post while moving is full of bitterness towards his view .. Read it again.. he said the 1st sign of imperfection.. Your relationship had many signs before the DV started and wasn't the 1st sign of imperfection.. I'm sorry that you have had to go thru that.. it sounds terrible..and it sounds( from your post ) like you made the right decision sorry I didn't mean to take up for woogle.. but...
DacaInaru Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Fly i'm just trying to make a point.. that unless he finds out why a person leaves there spouse he can't assume that all women just run at the first sign of imprefection cause they have choosen to get out of a bad marriage..
A Fly onThe Wall Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by DacaInaru Fly i'm just trying to make a point.. that unless he finds out why a person leaves there spouse he can't assume that all women just run at the first sign of imprefection cause they have choosen to get out of a bad marriage.. Ahh.. Kinda like biting your nose off in spite of your own face kinda thing....or being short sighted Thanks for clearing it up.. I wasn't able to see where you were coming from..
DacaInaru Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 what I posted really did happen.. but it sucks to have guys assume things like this
A Fly onThe Wall Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by DacaInaru what I posted really did happen.. but it sucks to have guys assume things like this and trust me it wasn't easy replying to your post the way I did because I didn't want to minimize what you have gone thru.. I sensed it was real..and worded the way I did as to try not to offend you
DacaInaru Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 fly you didn't offend me.. hell..i've developed a THICK skin..lol.. unfortunately..
RecordProducer Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Star Gazer Even doing little things, like asking them to hang a shelf for you (even if you can do it yourself, and wind up correcting his crappy job once he's done without telling him that you did), will make them feel like a man and as if he's serving his purpose. sorry I didn't mean to take up for woogle
Author Woggle Posted August 10, 2005 Author Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by DacaInaru hmmm.. I guess when my daughter's father tried to push me down a flight of steps while I was pregnant with her..I should have just by pass that as a slight imprefection.. and I should have fought to keep my family together.. damn.. I'm learning so much with this thread.. scary Where did you miss the part when I said don't dont date a divorced woman unless it was over ABUSE or infidelity? Surely pushing you down a flight of stairs is abuse.
alphamale Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle This is why I never date single moms. If you get too involved with them you will be amale presence in their kid's lives and it will get messy. Just to add another point WOGGLE when the inevitable breakup happens then the guy is not only attached to the mom but also to her kid(s). Which makes the breakup's emotional part much much worse. I know guys who are so attached to their ex-girlfiriend's kids that they go insane. They can deal not being with the kids mom anymore but they cannot deal with not being with the kid(s) anymore.
Author Woggle Posted August 10, 2005 Author Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale Just to add another point WOGGLE when the inevitable breakup happens then the guy is not only attached to the mom but also to her kid(s). Which makes the breakup's emotional part much much worse. I know guys who are so attached to their ex-girlfiriend's kids that they go insane. They can deal not being with the kids mom anymore but they cannot deal with not being with the kid(s) anymore. Also the fact that a woman doesn't think that a stable enviroment for her kids matters says a lot about hec character.
RecordProducer Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle Where did you miss the part when I said don't dont date a divorced woman unless it was over ABUSE or infidelity? Surely pushing you down a flight of stairs is abuse. But the according to you, all women are liars so how would you know? She could tell you her ex was an abusive lush and in fact she could've cheated on him with an army of guys!
Author Woggle Posted August 10, 2005 Author Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by RecordProducer But the according to you, all women are liars so how would you know? She could tell you her ex was an abusive lush and in fact she could've cheated on him with an army of guys! I challenge you to find a single quote where I said that every woman without excpetion is a liar. It is possible that she is lying but I give her the benefit of the doubt.
Merin Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle Also the fact that a woman doesn't think that a stable enviroment for her kids matters says a lot about hec character. What? Because a Single Mom (or Dad for that matter!) chooses to have another relationship with someone, once thier relationship with thier Little Peeps mom/dad ends does NOT mean that they are putting thier Kid's into an unstable enviroment... It isn't as if people get into relationships with the idea that they are going to go to hell in a hand basket! Single Parents (Moms & Dads) should not have to behave as if they are dead and not have other relationships because the one they had with thier wee peeps Mother/Father didn't work out. Obviously as single parents you have to be more selective of whom you choose to date or get into a relationship with... but to imply that a parent has placed thier kiddo's in a unstable enviroment by choosing to date is ridiculous.
country gal Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale what it comes down to is men should be MEN and women should be WOMEN. now even though there are some things i disagree with in this thred ... and i'm staying out of the current argument.... i'm just going to say that i agree with the above statement.... the lines got blurred somewhere along the way and men in particular have become less masculine. i just left my current beau b/c i felt more like his mother than his woman. i want a man next time - enough with the grown up little boys.
Author Woggle Posted August 10, 2005 Author Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Merin What? Because a Single Mom (or Dad for that matter!) chooses to have another relationship with someone, once thier relationship with thier Little Peeps mom/dad ends does NOT mean that they are putting thier Kid's into an unstable enviroment... It isn't as if people get into relationships with the idea that they are going to go to hell in a hand basket! Single Parents (Moms & Dads) should not have to behave as if they are dead and not have other relationships because the one they had with thier wee peeps Mother/Father didn't work out. Obviously as single parents you have to be more selective of whom you choose to date or get into a relationship with... but to imply that a parent has placed thier kiddo's in a unstable enviroment by choosing to date is ridiculous. I respct a single mom who stays single until the kids are grown more than a woman who ahs abunch of different men coming in and out. Also people should be more careful who they have kids with.
Author Woggle Posted August 10, 2005 Author Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by country gal now even though there are some things i disagree with in this thred ... and i'm staying out of the current argument.... i'm just going to say that i agree with the above statement.... the lines got blurred somewhere along the way and men in particular have become less masculine. i just left my current beau b/c i felt more like his mother than his woman. i want a man next time - enough with the grown up little boys. Blame your feminists sisters who made it a point to emasculate men to a point where we hav ethe neutered metroaexual men we have today. The feminist plan worked a little too well and now women complain about where are all the real men? At the same time I ask where all the real women went. When you have a society where men are being raised with no father figure they never learn how to be a man. In a way i feel bad for the few good women left. Men are so emasculated these days that no real women would want a weenie like that and the few real men that are left mostly want nothing to do with most american women other than a roll in the sack.
alphamale Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Merin Obviously as single parents you have to be more selective of whom you choose to date or get into a relationship with... The reality, MERIN, is that single parents cannot be more selective with whom they date cause they have more baggage and all the BS associated with children. How can some woman who;s already got three kids under 10 yrs of age be "more selective". She cannot be cause some men won't date her cause she already has kids. She will no longer have access to the best looking men with the best jobs and future. Why in the hell would a guy with a Harvard MBA earning $200,000 per year want to date some woman who has three kids already and her boobs are sagging and she's stressed out from her kids? Women (and men to lesser extent) who already have children are at a major disadvantage in the dating and mating game and have fewer choices. That is the reality.
Outcast Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 men in particular have become less masculine. i just left my current beau b/c i felt more like his mother than his woman. i want a man next time - enough with the grown up little boys. Oh that's rich. If a guy is immature, he's immature. That has nothing to do with being 'emasculated by feminists' It's pathetic - you've bought into mens' stupidity (or that stupidity that some men display) in blaming women for their problems. Pretty sad. Everything wrong in life is women's fault according to them and you join their cry. Boy have you been sucked in!
Author Woggle Posted August 10, 2005 Author Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Outcast Oh that's rich. If a guy is immature, he's immature. That has nothing to do with being 'emasculated by feminists' You can't deny that since the advent of feminism men have increasingly become more emasculated. Feminism started out as a good thing but it got twisted by some people with an agenda into something that sought to polarize the sexes. Well it worked too well and now neither men or women seem very happy with the current state of afairs.
country gal Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 like all important movements, the feminist movement created good things as well as some bad.... adn in that respect i half- heartedly agree with you that feminism has *something* to do with these particular problems, but i dont think it is the one stand alone factor by any means. i think the technological revolution has had a lot to do with it as well... as a result of that movement alone men are considered less successful if they choose to work wiht their hands all day rather than sit in an office in front of a computer screen ... not that all office men are not masculine, i'm just saying technological advances have shifted men into roles where they are less able to express or even cultivate their manly side.
MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale Why in the hell would a guy with a Harvard MBA earning $200,000 per year want to date some woman who has three kids already and her boobs are sagging and she's stressed out from her kids? 1. Because he is lonely and hasn't been successful in finding women. 2. Because he's not a boob-man and she has a cute butt. 3. Because he has always wanted a family and feels it's too late for him to start with a new one or would prefer to skip the baby/toddler stage 4. Because SHE is a wonderful person who makes him feel good and forget the stresses of his job 5. Because HE is a wonderful person and wants to relieve some of her stress so he can get a good BJ at the end of the day Need I go on?
MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle I respct a single mom who stays single until the kids are grown more than a woman who ahs abunch of different men coming in and out. Also people should be more careful who they have kids with. Are you saying that you would have no respect for a divorced woman who had over ten years of a good marriage that turned sour but produced two wonderful children who still have a good relationship with their father and spend time with both parents regularly. Are you saying that you would have no respect for a divorced woman who ONLY goes out on dates when the children are with their father and never introduces them to the children until they are talking....marriage? Are you saying that you would have no respect for a divorced woman who would NEVER have a "sleepover" while the kids are at home, or not at all unless she was remarried? I kind of understand where you're coming from though. You just don't want someone with alot of baggage, and that was one example you used that got blown out of proportion. You just don't want to waste your time weeding thru all the single mom's to find the one that really is a decent person capable of having a stable loving relationship with you AND her children. And that's just you.
loony Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 I must be in a cynical mood, because Originally posted by alphamale The reality, MERIN, is that single parents cannot be more selective with whom they date cause they have more baggage and all the BS associated with children. How can some woman who;s already got three kids under 10 yrs of age be "more selective". She cannot be cause some men won't date her cause she already has kids. She will no longer have access to the best looking men with the best jobs and future. Why in the hell would a guy with a Harvard MBA earning $200,000 per year want to date some woman who has three kids already and her boobs are sagging and she's stressed out from her kids? Women (and men to lesser extent) who already have children are at a major disadvantage in the dating and mating game and have fewer choices. That is the reality. ...I think [color=#FF99FF]ALPHAMALE [/color]is right Originally posted by MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 1. Because he is lonely and hasn't been successful in finding women. 2. Because he's not a boob-man and she has a cute butt. 3. Because he has always wanted a family and feels it's too late for him to start with a new one or would prefer to skip the baby/toddler stage 4. Because SHE is a wonderful person who makes him feel good and forget the stresses of his job 5. Because HE is a wonderful person and wants to relieve some of her stress so he can get a good BJ at the end of the day Need I go on? ...and MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 is pretty naive.
Author Woggle Posted August 10, 2005 Author Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by country gal like all important movements, the feminist movement created good things as well as some bad.... adn in that respect i half- heartedly agree with you that feminism has *something* to do with these particular problems, but i dont think it is the one stand alone factor by any means. i think the technological revolution has had a lot to do with it as well... as a result of that movement alone men are considered less successful if they choose to work wiht their hands all day rather than sit in an office in front of a computer screen ... not that all office men are not masculine, i'm just saying technological advances have shifted men into roles where they are less able to express or even cultivate their manly side. This is not really it because I work in office and yet I am in no way a wimpy man. Man just don't have anymore balls. We try so hard to twist and bend ourselves into what women say they want when what women want seems to change everyday. We have lost our core and that is why many women don't respect us anymore. We need to stop trying to be what oprah and cosmo say we should be and start being who we want to be. If a woman can't acept me for who I am the hell with her. It's not that important
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