Outcast Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 That's a load of crap. And this surprises you? That's not the proper method of analysis. Houses and cars are paid for out of income. If you have a net worth of $1M, it can safely be considered equivalent to $50-60K of annual income. Stuff that. Why pay for a house thrice over; most of that going to the banks? I own my place free and clear; all income is mine from now on. And with the market as it is, nothing I could have done would have increased my net worth faster I do feel that there is competitive pressure to provide for women Are you living in this century? How many women do you know aren't working and providing for themselves??? But as to getting them into the sack....the process is the same whether she is trailer trash or a PhD candidate. Ever think maybe that they are getting you in the sack?
DacaInaru Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Jeez, it's a jaded freakin world.... Ain't that an understatement..
Merin Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale but if you and him get married down the road he will in effect become a surrogate father to your two "wee peeps". He may provide emotional support and/or financial support for them and he'll be spending more time with them than thieir biological father will. THAT IS THE REALITY.... That is YOUR reality, not mine. I have zero intentions or desire to get married. While I care about HIS kiddo's like crazy, I am NOT thier Mom regardless of how much time I spend with them. His EXW is a great Mom, and I would never think about trying that role out. My EXH is responsible for child support of for OUR Little People we share, the same as I am responsible financially for OUR kids, I would never ask for nor expect ANYONE else regardless of who it was/is to take care of or assume responsibility for MY Kids. For Godsake a lot of Kids spend more time with thier Daycare providers than they do with thier parents (yeah even the ones who are NOT single parents and still married) so whats up Alpha does that then mean that the "reality" is that they daycare provider is now taking on the role of parent because they spend so much time with children that do not belong to them? This isn't all black and white and trying to make it that way is ridiculous.
alphamale Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by Outcast Are you living in this century? How many women do you know aren't working and providing for themselves??? I know tons of women that are working. I know a part-time travel agent who probably makes $10/hr and I know a medical biller who make a wonderful salary of $25,000 per year and I know a nurses assistant that makes probably $30,000/yr. And funny thing is that all three are looking for a dude who makes the big bucks cause they're all pretty attractive.
A Fly onThe Wall Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale And funny thing is that all three are looking for a dude who makes the big bucks cause they're all pretty attractive. How come they haven't found you Alpha ?
DacaInaru Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 And funny thing is that all three are looking for a dude who makes the big bucks cause they're all pretty attractive Hmmm well I guess only us ugly chicks make the big bucks then.. who'd a thought..
MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 There are alot of women who believe they can get by on their looks (and they succeed at it too). I'll take my brain, my average looks and my 60k salary and get myself a "nice guy" over a dude who wants to display me in his trophy case anyday. I would prefer to meet my "equal", and I don't just mean monetary. I find ambition to be a very attractive quality in a guy - much more attractive than the guy who wants to meet me at the bar and call it a date. I also look for similarities in the lifestyles we have chosen and a few things in common as well as our own hobbies. If the guy I'm with isn't my "equal" and his looks are hot, but he only makes 30K per year and hangs out and play spool, hey, I might try to get him in the sack....but it will never amount to anything serious (thank god!). See? men and women can both play this game.
alphamale Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 I find ambition to be a very attractive quality in a guy - much more attractive than the guy who wants to meet me at the bar and call it a date. And isn't it ironic, MWC_LBA40, that most ambitious guys tend to do better in life, as in make more money?? Once again you are talking in woman-speak. Ambition usually translates to resources.
MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Translation: Ambition (in woman-speak, or at least mine): I view ambition as the opposite of a couch-potato. An ambitious guy would be handy around the house (cuz I'm pretty much useless when it comes to fixing things) and would will fix something when it breaks, and not after six months of my nagging. An ambitious guy would take initiative for example by actually starting dinner before I get home instead of cracking open a beer and plopping down on the couch. An ambitious guy would join me in a 4-mile walk for exercise or some other activity once in a while instead of staying inside to watch the game. And yes, an ambitious guy would be motivated to do his best in his career and not just be satisfied with his 9-5 daily routine humdrum going nowhere job, because to me that is being lazy. I work hard and do what is needed to move forward in my career and I have done so for 20 years. The hard part for me was both times I popped out a kid it set me back a couple of years, but I'm exactly where I want to be today....not tomorrow, tomorrow I want to be farther ahead than today!
clandestinidad Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 I couldnt even read this whole thread.....I was going along w/ what woggle said until I got to this: Never date a woman who took alot of women's studies courses in college-They teach women to hate men in those courses. Radical feminists make the worst girlfriends and wives. She will always view you with at least a little contempt. Also never date a woman who uses the word patriarchy. Never date a woman with an out of wedlock child-Either she made some really bad choices and got knocked up or she had the child by choice and views men as nothing more than sperm donors. Either way you want nothing to do with her. To the first one, I find it interesting that you say they "teach women to hate men", "she will always view you with at least a little contempt"....when thats EXACTLY what YOUR point of view is!! Always griping about hating all of the 'snake women' (which in your opinion is the majority), and all your stereotypical, arrogant, mean comments about females......and what, you'll never view HER with at least a little contempt?!?!?!? To the second one I quoted: STF UP.....you have NO idea why some people have kids. Did you ever think that maybe some of them were raped, or the condom didnt work, or it was their first time, or any other possibility?!?!? WAKE UP! Just b/c someone has a child, does NOT mean theyre a slut/whore/bitch, and for you to assume that is MEAN!!! Have you never had sex??? Well, just remember that EVERY time you EVER did, she could have gotten pregnant. There's a chance for pregnancy every time, genious! So what, these people who got pregnant and didnt have abortions to get rid of it are somehow WORSE than those who DID get rid of it?!?!?!? As if its better to date them b/c they dont have evidence of having sex?!?! (even though they might be the bigger slut/whore) And your advice to men is that its better to date a girl that killed her child/fetus, rather than one who is sacrificing her life and living her life for her child?!?!?!? COME ON!!!!
alphamale Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by kat23 To the first one, I find it interesting that you say they "teach women to hate men", I would partially agree to that KAT23 cause my ex wife was a staunch feminist and took some of these courses in college even tho she was an english major. She definitely had the us vs. them attitude about the sexes and so did her mother. It was a red flag that I did not realize until later on.... To the second one I quoted: STF UP..... I think he meant out of wedlock KAT23. Would you date a dude who had 2 kids by different mothers and he did not marry either one?
New_Wife Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Depends on why, Alpha. Say, for example, he had one when he was a 18 & one later in life in a relationship that went sour. It's really a lot of grey area to paint with so broad a brush. Additionally, men do not have the ability to become pregnant from a rape. They do, however, have plenty of opportunities to run off and avoid responsibility both emotionally and financially. When single, I may have dated a man with children, but I would NEVER have dated one who abdicated responsibility for them. Same thing with the courses. I think it depends on the individual woman what she takes out of any experience. I may go to a KKK rally, and I guarantee you I'd find myself perplexed at the amount of blithering idiots that managed to gather in one place. The attendance at the meeting would only further my currently held beliefs that inbreeding is not good - it certainly wouldn't have the power to completely overhaul my beliefs. A class on feminist issues would be no different. Certainly there are issues where women have really gotten the shaft - but then, we don't have to deal with pubescent erections that take over our entire teen lives - so it's really a wash this day and age.
clandestinidad Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 I wasnt defending women who take all of those classes....I personally think the same thing about that...that they generally learn to belittle and dislike men....not always, but it seems to be the case. What I meant was that he's telling other men to not date women who have that attitude, and that she'll "always view you with at least a little contempt"........while HE will always have at least a little contempt for WOMEN...(based on everything he's said about them in the last few weeks)...so it seemed awfully strange to me that he'd tell men not to date women who have contempt, but its alright for women to date MEN with contempt?!?!? (all of his lessons to men involve women bashing...and it teaches contempt!!!) And about the kids out of wedlock thing....I could understand if he was talking about someone with 3 kids from all different men (although, there could be sad circumstances involved so we shouldnt generalize).....the problem I have with it is that he didnt specify a number, or circumstance....he spoke generally, so all I can assume (b/c its what he said) is that he meant ANY woman with ANY number of children....1 or 10.....and since I did get pregnant when I wasnt married, and I know other females that did as well, I sure as hell am going to stand up and confront him regarding his crap comment!!!! BTW, 80% of first time mothers are SINGLE
New_Wife Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 So glad Hubby didn't think like that. Although it may have been some sort of brain tumor or alien thought programming (to read some of this drivel), he actually respected me more for the job I've done raising my kiddoes on my own. Dare I suggest he was (gasp!) secure?
Outcast Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Dare I suggest he was (gasp!) secure? Secure AND mature. Something that these little boys bleating on about how the means womens done them wrong and all womens are bad bad peoples aren't.
alphamale Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by kat23 BTW, 80% of first time mothers are SINGLE 80% sounds a little high to me but whatever....many single moms still live at or below the poverty line.
RecordProducer Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale Would you date a dude who had 2 kids by different mothers and he did not marry either one? Basically I would have some prejudices about it, but in theory, is it his fault that two women he didn't intend to marry decided to have his baby? The border between sperm and parenthood is very vague. If it were a woman, I'd think the guys she has kids with abandoned her... poor woman. Hey! Maybe I am not as bitter as you!
clandestinidad Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 80% sounds a little high to me but whatever....many single moms still live at or below the poverty line Yeah, it is very high....and I'll check my source again as soon as I get a chance. also, why the info about poverty in this topic? I dont see what it has to do with woggle saying that men should stay away from any woman who has an out-of-wedlock child/children. (unless it was just an informative side note, which is obviously all good)
clandestinidad Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Alright...I had it a little confused. Here you go: "Only 10% of brides are virgins Nearly 50% of all first births are to single mothers, who are increasingly unlikely to marry the fathers At least another 20% of first births are conceived before marriage" taken from "The Developing Person Through the Lifespan" by Berger
Author Woggle Posted August 10, 2005 Author Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by DacaInaru when I tell a guy I'm not looking for a man to take care of me.. or my child as i've been doing it on my own.. the guys blow me off for being "To Independent" The word independent scares men away. It implies that a woman has no use for a man in her life.
Author Woggle Posted August 10, 2005 Author Posted August 10, 2005 This is why I never date single moms. If you get too involved with them you will be amale presence in their kid's lives and it will get messy. That is why if I ever have a family it will be from scratch and will be with a woman who actually places value on keeping a family together and won't break it up at the first sign of imperfection. Sadly most women place no value on the family and that is why I might never be a family man. With all the birth control out nobody has to get pregnant withou wanting to and if a woman chooses to have a child on her own she is not a woman I would want.
Merin Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle This is why I never date single moms. If you get too involved with them you will be amale presence in their kid's lives and it will get messy. That is why if I ever have a family it will be from scratch and will be with a woman who actually places value on keeping a family together and won't break it up at the first sign of imperfection. Sadly most women place no value on the family and that is why I might never be a family man. With all the birth control out nobody has to get pregnant withou wanting to and if a woman chooses to have a child on her own she is not a woman I would want. Amazing. What about the Woman who DID value the family but the FATHER in question didn't... what then? F'cked up BUT true story.... My EXH had a GF who has 2 little people and HE wasn't all about it... which is funny considering his lame ass ALSO has 2 wee peeps BUT he somehow felt all good to go and justified in finding fault with her for having Kids that were NOT HIS... then and again he also has another Kid now with his new GF and finds it perfectly acceptable that SHE isn't all about HIM having the wee people he has with ME. You see Woogle it isn't ALWAYS a WOMAN who is a f'cktard in the relationship.
DacaInaru Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 That is why if I ever have a family it will be from scratch and will be with a woman who actually places value on keeping a family together and won't break it up at the first sign of imperfection. hmmm.. I guess when my daughter's father tried to push me down a flight of steps while I was pregnant with her..I should have just by pass that as a slight imprefection.. and I should have fought to keep my family together.. damn.. I'm learning so much with this thread.. scary
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