Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2005 Author Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by DacaInaru Uh.. problem is that guys like to look at the outside of the apple and if it has flaws they toss it aside. they pick up that nice shine red apple.. not knowing that when you bite into it.. you might just find a worm. I am fully aware that many women are beautiful on the outside and ugly on the inside.
MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Oh Daca, it's the He's not Into You book LOL. My exH's complaint the first time we went for counselling was that I wanted to be treated like a princess. What is wrong with wanting to be pampered once in a while? Treat your woman like a queen and she will make you feel like a King.
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2005 Author Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by RecordProducer Okay, I have no right to do this, but I'll still ask: what do YOU have to offer this great-and-so-hard-to-find woman? I am honest I have never cheated on a woman in my life I am finacially independent I am pretty progressive about gender roles I have been told I am a demon in bed I am highly intelligent
alphamale Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 Treat your woman like a queen and she will make you feel like a King. WTF! Its more like "treat your woman like a queen and she'll make you the court jester, servant and janitor all rolled into one..."
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2005 Author Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 Oh Daca, it's the He's not Into You book LOL. My exH's complaint the first time we went for counselling was that I wanted to be treated like a princess. What is wrong with wanting to be pampered once in a while? Treat your woman like a queen and she will make you feel like a King. What happened to modern independent woman that wanted equality. Like I said independent when it's convenient,
Opium Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle No date a woman who doesn't do any of these things. They are rare but they do exist. Finding a good woman is like digging through a bowl of rotten fruit and finding a nice delicious shiny apple. I do agree with you that it's hard to find a good deceit woman/man. But it's a little harsh to say that a woman who got a divorce besides being cheated on or abused is no good. You make it seem as if it's not that it's because she' a gold digger and wants more. What if they just stop loving each other? Are you going to be with a woman/man that you don't love and be miserable? Don't think so! It's hard to say that a woman who as a child is baggage and is not a good woman. I know many woman (some even in my family) that get pregnant while engaged or dating someone for over 5 years and it didn't work out. The kids have nothing to do with the woman. And to say she has a poor judgment and does't make good choices is just wrong to me. MOOD SWINGS...HELLO WE GET OUR PERIODS ONCE A MONTH AND BLEED FROM OUR COOCH...You'd be moody too!!! I just think you haven't found the true meaning behind a woman and all you're doing is assuming that 99.9% of the woman are they way you mentioned. Which may be the case for SOME woman but not all. Woman just want to be loved and want her SO to show a little appreciation for her commitment to her man. This also goes for men too, some just look in the wrong places and it seems you are too.
scratch Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by MWC_LifeBeginsAt40 It's not a date if you ask a woman to "show up". It's a date if you PICK her up at her place and TAKE her somewhere nice. Do you realize the permutations that follow from such a limited definition of "date?" If she lives with her parents (children, or anyone) and doesn't want me to meet them, we cannot go on a date. If it is long distance and I fly her to visit, we cannot go on a date. If I work next to her favorite 5-star resturant, and we meet at my office before taking her there, it cannot be a date. If I go to her house with her favorite DVD and we watch it while I give her a massage, it cannot be a date. I'll tell you, some of the nicest, most romantic things I've done for women haven't involved dates. And everyone involved is quite okay with that.
alphamale Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by Opium MOOD SWINGS...HELLO WE GET OUR PERIODS ONCE A MONTH AND BLEED FROM OUR COOCH...You'd be moody too!!! Big f***ing deal OPIUM!!! WTF! The vast majority of men have to work their asses off 45+ hours a week from the day we are born until close to day we die. You don't hear men complaining about that???? We still provide many women with half if not all of their financial support. Why do women never mention that they have so many more choices than men do in the working world? Many women work part-time, some never work, some work for a few yrs then quit, etc....Most men do not get these choices. We are out ther every day for decades on end busting our butts. Then we die early of heart attacks and strokes and whatnot. I never hear women mentioning those facts....
thegoodhubbie Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 I love this thread. I wish I had read Woggle's advice before I got married. Women can be just as manipulative and calculating as men. It is not even a question of male or female. It is a question of who has scruples and who doesn't. Lying to get what you want is not new and both sexes can be equally adept at it. I was very naive and vulnerable when I met my wife. I was not the most socially adept guy, and I was very lonely. My wife was a single mother living in moldy basement apartment and her son was always sick. I firmly believe that she took advantage of my inexperience and my desire to do something good for her and her son. There are a lot of things I can't go into detail about, but if I had it to do over again, I don't think I would. Even though we have a beautiful son that is ours together, the frustration and crap she put me through almost makes it not worth it. My step son's father is always calling the house to talk to him and she winds up chatting with him. To this day (we have been together five years this month) we have gotten a total of $300.00 from him in child support, yet that guy gets to see his son every two weeks like clock work. She knows it bothers me and it really does nothing but cause behavior problems when the kid comes back. I work two jobs, and that bum does NOTHING. Anyway this is all off topic, just needed to vent I guess
DacaInaru Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 we are born until close to day we die. You don't hear men complaining about that???? We still provide many women with half if not all of their financial support. I have as of yet not found a man who has supported me financially.. I'm seriously doing something wrong.. all I have I have gotten on my own.. even during my marriages I was the one pushing out most of the financial support..
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2005 Author Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by Opium I do agree with you that it's hard to find a good deceit woman/man. But it's a little harsh to say that a woman who got a divorce besides being cheated on or abused is no good. You make it seem as if it's not that it's because she' a gold digger and wants more. What if they just stop loving each other? Are you going to be with a woman/man that you don't love and be miserable? Don't think so! It's hard to say that a woman who as a child is baggage and is not a good woman. I know many woman (some even in my family) that get pregnant while engaged or dating someone for over 5 years and it didn't work out. The kids have nothing to do with the woman. And to say she has a poor judgment and does't make good choices is just wrong to me. MOOD SWINGS...HELLO WE GET OUR PERIODS ONCE A MONTH AND BLEED FROM OUR COOCH...You'd be moody too!!! I just think you haven't found the true meaning behind a woman and all you're doing is assuming that 99.9% of the woman are they way you mentioned. Which may be the case for SOME woman but not all. Woman just want to be loved and want her SO to show a little appreciation for her commitment to her man. This also goes for men too, some just look in the wrong places and it seems you are too. I do mean it about divorce. it shows that she views relationships as disposable. Some women who have kids are good women but I would be cautious. That is one that is somewhat negogiable Moody is one thing acting like a psycho isn't. I refuse to be with a woman that hates me for half the month. What is the friggin point.
alphamale Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by DacaInaru AlphaMale, are you married??? i was married for 3+ yrs but I dumped her ass cause she was worthless....i've also dumped 80% of all the women i've been with in any capacity. women to me are a commodity, not unlike gasoline or electricity. but that does not mean i hate them. i actually love them.
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2005 Author Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale Big f***ing deal OPIUM!!! WTF! The vast majority of men have to work their asses off 45+ hours a week from the day we are born until close to day we die. You don't hear men complaining about that???? We still provide many women with half if not all of their financial support. Why do women never mention that they have so many more choices than men do in the working world? Many women work part-time, some never work, some work for a few yrs then quit, etc....Most men do not get these choices. We are out ther every day for decades on end busting our butts. Then we die early of heart attacks and strokes and whatnot. I never hear women mentioning those facts.... I actually made close to a million in stocks so I don't have to work but I need something to do. My money is for me and not any woman. If I get involved again she will have to be financially independent. I would rather marry a doctor or politician than a housewife.
Opium Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale Big f***ing deal OPIUM!!! WTF! The vast majority of men have to work their asses off 45+ hours a week from the day we are born until close to day we die. You don't hear men complaining about that???? We still provide many women with half if not all of their financial support. Why do women never mention that they have so many more choices than men do in the working world? Many women work part-time, some never work, some work for a few yrs then quit, etc....Most men do not get these choices. We are out ther every day for decades on end busting our butts. Then we die early of heart attacks and strokes and whatnot. I never hear women mentioning those facts.... Alpha, no need to get upset. I work hard to as you may do as well. I totally agree with you that some woman are leaches and should help a man out more, by all means I give you that. All I'm saying is that a good deceit woman could fit one of his categories and he might dismiss her because he thinks this way. I personally don't want my husband to be the main money maker, why? 1. because I want to be able to provide my family with anything they need and want and only one income isn't going to cut it, Plus I have a degree and dammit it cost me a lot of money and i'm going to use it. 2. because it's not fair that my husband as to work like an animal and me just juice him. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that in my opinion. Give the woman/man the benefit of the doubt and then judge them. That's all!!
loony Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle I know plenty of misandrists who use men. Most goldiggers hate men. There are many women who get off on hurting men. I actuallly don't lie to women. I tell them I use them for sex and somehow they think they can change me. I am a challenge to them. A challenge? Originally posted by scratch I agree, but bitterness is a matter of degree. I am bitter and cynical to the extent that I arrange most first and second dates to coincide with things I would have done anyway, e.g. go for a run, hang out at a bar with friends, or watch a ballgame, because I don't always expect the woman to show up. However, if she does I make a good faith effort to show her a good time. Do I exude bitterness? Probably, but only if the woman is really looking for it, which would make her bitter and cynical too, no? Hm, yes, you're less hysterical, I guess. More successful with the ladies, therefore you're a bit less desperate and less angry, you haven't faced as many rejections. You said he couldn't get laid, but as I said, it's a common refrain among many women here. Maybe this is Woggle's place to rant and vent. So long as he explains himself and his reasoning, that's okay with me. Who cares what they say... I don't take everybody serious just because they wear a skirt. If he runs around and claims he's using women for sex then I can inform him about my doubts in regard to the truthfulness of this statement.
scratch Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale Many women work part-time, some never work, some work for a few yrs then quit, etc....Most men do not get these choices. We are out ther every day for decades on end busting our butts. Then we die early of heart attacks and strokes and whatnot. I never hear women mentioning those facts.... Slow down there, ace. Of course we get those choices. Men work hard until death because they want to provide for women and children, because they love their jobs, or because they allow themselves to be defined by work and know not another way to live. I'm retiring at 38 with a residual income, enough for me and a child if I have one. If I am with a woman who can support herself financially, that would be great. But I'd rather be alone and searching, rather than with someone who wants or (even worse) needs my money. Alpha, it's a copout to blame men's vanity or stupidity on women.
Outcast Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 good deceit Opium, I'm sure you don't mean to do it, but you keep using 'deceit' which means 'lie' instead of 'decent'. Alpha, it's a copout to blame men's vanity or stupidity on women. Exactly and that men blame their issues on women only tells women that they are not all that bright to start off with. And yes it's the same for women who blame men. The self-aware human figures out his own role in his misfortunes and then works on himself in order to avoid making similar mistakes. Which does not mean turning into a user or any other sort of unpleasant person. It is the inferior mind that believes that becoming cruel and unpleasant is a good answer to one's own problems. And smart women avoid men like that like the plague. So the Woggles and Alphas of the world may indeed get to screw some really stupid females but then will neither win nor keep the love of a good woman. Hey - if that's your idea of a great life, have at it
A Fly onThe Wall Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by Woggle I actually made close to a million in stocks so I don't have to work but I need something to do. My money is for me and not any woman. If I get involved again she will have to be financially independent. I would rather marry a doctor or politician than a housewife. ... The real Gold Pile please stand Up !!
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2005 Author Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by A Fly onThe Wall ... The real Gold Pile please stand Up !! Hey it's true.
Outcast Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 A million isn't that much, really. By the time you get yourself a house and furnish it and a decent vehicle the residual will provide a little income but not that much. When you have three or more million in the bank, then you can brag
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2005 Author Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by Outcast A million isn't that much, really. By the time you get yourself a house and furnish it and a decent vehicle the residual will provide a little income but not that much. When you have three or more million in the bank, then you can brag I make good money at my job as well and I plan on investing. Overrall I am doing good.
loony Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by Outcast Exactly and that men blame their issues on women only tells women that they are not all that bright to start off with. And yes it's the same for women who blame men. The self-aware human figures out his own role in his misfortunes and then works on himself in order to avoid making similar mistakes. Which does not mean turning into a user or any other sort of unpleasant person. It is the inferior mind that believes that becoming cruel and unpleasant is a good answer to one's own problems. And smart women avoid men like that like the plague. So the Woggles and Alphas of the world may indeed get to screw some really stupid females but then will neither win nor keep the love of a good woman. Hey - if that's your idea of a great life, have at it Right!
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2005 Author Posted August 9, 2005 I don't blame all my problems on women. My wife was in the wrong but she is not the cause of all wrong in my life.
alphamale Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Originally posted by Outcast So the Woggles and Alphas of the world may indeed get to screw some really stupid females but then will neither win nor keep the love of a good woman. Hey - if that's your idea of a great life, have at it vast majority of women I've "screwed" have been college educated professionals.
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