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I dated a guy last year. He works in real estate industry. I am currently trying to get back with him. I am currently looking for an apartment in NYC so I contacted him to help me find a place. He texted me right back and said he has a place available to show me. The following day, I went to see the place and he was very caring and nice to me. We were talking a lot and catching up. I was cold and he took off his jacket and put it on me. He walked me back to the bus station and waited with me until the bus came. We were even joking around saying that we can be roommates and live together.

 

When I got home, he texted me "Did you get home safe?". This is the conversation:

Him: "Did you get home safe?"

Me: "Yup :) Is there lamp and mirror in the room? Is there lock in my room? Is the bed size full or queen? Can I bring a dog?"

 

He didn't respond to me all night and texted me back the following day:

Him: "Hey Valerie. Full size bed. There is lamp in the room and I can put a mirror. No dogs though."

 

I made a mistake by texting him all those questions about the room. I should have texted him back something sweet by saying "Yup, I got home safe. It was great seeing you again. Did you get home safely as well?". But instead I asked 5 more questions about the house, so now he thinks that I am only interested in the room and not him. Two days later, when we met up, he was very cold and only talked to me about business matters regarding the apartment (ex. deposit for the apt, when I can move in). He didn't even walk me to the bus station.

 

How can I get his interest again?

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I guess by now he sees you as business only.

 

You need to either ask him out on a date or stop taliking about your room.

 

Flirt a little but you need to do something so he knows you are insterested.

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I guess by now he sees you as business only.

 

You need to either ask him out on a date or stop taliking about your room.

 

Flirt a little but you need to do something so he knows you are insterested.

 

He probably thinks you just used him to get the place.

Text him and suggest doing something together.

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Yep, you pretty much shut him down instantly with that business response. He was being nice and caring, probably testing the water. You basically drained the pool. If you're interested, you're going to have to take charge here and make it known. I wouldn't jump straight in to asking him out, as he does probably think you may only be doing it to get a good deal. Start by being more funny about it, even thank him for being so nice and then buy him a coffee (some face to face time away from work). That could give you a chance to drop in that you were a bit to formal recently. The situation isn't that bad and should be easily fixable.

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I dated a guy last year. He works in real estate industry. I am currently trying to get back with him. I am currently looking for an apartment in NYC so I contacted him to help me find a place. He texted me right back and said he has a place available to show me. The following day, I went to see the place and he was very caring and nice to me. We were talking a lot and catching up. I was cold and he took off his jacket and put it on me. He walked me back to the bus station and waited with me until the bus came. We were even joking around saying that we can be roommates and live together.

 

When I got home, he texted me "Did you get home safe?". This is the conversation:

Him: "Did you get home safe?"

Me: "Yup :) Is there lamp and mirror in the room? Is there lock in my room? Is the bed size full or queen? Can I bring a dog?"

 

He didn't respond to me all night and texted me back the following day:

Him: "Hey Valerie. Full size bed. There is lamp in the room and I can put a mirror. No dogs though."

 

I made a mistake by texting him all those questions about the room. I should have texted him back something sweet by saying "Yup, I got home safe. It was great seeing you again. Did you get home safely as well?". But instead I asked 5 more questions about the house, so now he thinks that I am only interested in the room and not him. Two days later, when we met up, he was very cold and only talked to me about business matters regarding the apartment (ex. when I can move in, who the roommates are). He didn't even walk me to the bus station.

 

The following day, he texted me to tell me that there is $1500 deposit to move into the apartment. He never mentioned this when I met him to see the place. I had a feeling, when we met up, we were flirting and he was so into me maybe he thought "oh I don't have to get a deposit from her...once she moves into NYC, I'm going to date her, so it's fine.".

 

(Also, this is how he makes money. He leases an apartment using friend's credit and furnishes the apartment, and then subleases the rooms to international students or people who are looking for short-term housing and makes money. For example, the apartment rent is $4000 he makes it into 5 bedroom and subleases each room for $1000 each, so he makes $1000 monthly. So it is really up to him if he wants to get a deposit from me or if he really trusts me, he doesn't have to.)

 

I texted him right back, telling him:

Me: "You never mentioned the deposit to me yesterday when I saw you".

Him: "Well we never discussed the requirements for moving in. That is also why I am sending you this text, so that we are both on the right page. Please let me know if you are still interested in the apartment."

Me: "Ok that is fine"

 

The following day, we met up to sign the apartment contract and to give him the deposit. From this point on, I had a problem trusting him, because the fact that he is collecting a deposit from me, shows that he is not trusting of me either. He is only treating me as a tenant, not a friend. He told me to bring first month's rent and deposit ($995+$1500=$2495). I told him ok, but when I actually went to meet him, I only gave him $500 because I thought if I gave him the whole money, what if he runs away and never gives me the key. So I only gave him $500 and signed the contract. When we met up, he was like "Oh..you didn't bring the whole $2495". I told him I will give you the rest when I actually move in. He said OK and still gave me the key.

 

The following day came and I moved in, he texted me to see how I was settling in and I said "I'm settling in well. Are you going to come to the apartment to pick up the rest of the deposit?". He said he didn't have time today, so I will meet you the following day. I said ok.

 

The following day came and he texted me "I actually have to work late until 9pm tonight and I dont want you to wait for me afterwork. So can you drop the deposit off with my apartment doorman?" and then sent me the address of his place. I felt that "Oh.. he doesn't even want to see me in person anymore.. he just wants me to drop off the deposit with his doorman." I actually wanted to see him in person so maybe we can build an attraction. I texted him later that night.."I got caught up afterwork doing something as well.. I will drop off the deposit tomorrow".

 

The following day came, he texted me "I can meet you at 6pm to get the deposit. Can we meet at that time?". I told him OK and we met up. He also texted me that he needs the deposit in certified bank check, money order, or cash. I felt that was a little weird because I have to go out of my way to make a certified bank check or money order. Also, I didn't want to give him cash because I wanted to leave a trail for the deposit. (At this point, I am not very trusting of him.) I decided to give him the deposit in personal check. When we met up and gave him the personal check, he got very angry at me and started screaming and cursing at me.

Him:"Valerie, you make this so difficult. I told you to bring the deposit in those three forms of payment and why do you bring me personal check? I thought this whole apartment thing would be easier with a friend, but you make everything so difficult. First, you didn't even give me the whole deposit. You only gave me $500 when I met you earlier. Now you don't even bring me the correct payment. You are taking advantage of our friendship. Please treat me like a real landlord. And don't ****ing argue with me."

I gave him $500 more in cash that day and told him I will make him money order the following day and left.

 

The following day he texted me "What time do you want to meet up?". At this point, I didn't even want to do this lease thing with him anymore. I texted him "I am actually going to look for another apartment. So I will only live here until the end of the month and I will find you a replacement roommate. He texted me back saying "You still have to pay a deposit even if you live for just one month because of incidentals. If you don't pay the deposit by the end of the day, please vacate your belongings." I texted him saying ok I will meet you later today. He said he will accept personal check if I can't find another form of payment that night. So I gave him the deposit that night. When we met up, he said "You put a strain on our friendship which was not necessary." We said bye and I came home.

 

For about a week, we didn't talk. And then he texted me few days ago:

Him: "Have you started looking for your replacement roommate?"

Me: "I posted the room on Craigslist, but noone yet"

Him: "I actually do have someone who wants to look at the room today. Can I show the room?"

Me: "Ok sure"

 

The following day, he called me:

Him: Have you decided to move out at the end of the month?

Me: I'm just going to stay here for another month. I can't find another apartment nearby my work anyway. And I'm too busy with work.

Him: Ok that is fine. I just want you to know that when you do decide to move out, you have to give me 30day notice and look for a replacement roommate at the same time you look for your own apartment.

Me: Yes don't worry

Him: How is everything else going?

Me: Good. Work is stressing me out but it's getting better. What is new with you? Did you graduate and did you move yet? You were saying you are moving to new apartment last time?

Him: Yea I am graduating next week and yes I did move.

Me: Oh great, how many roommates do you have? Are they girls or guys?

Him: I have 4 random roommates, both guys and girls. I have to get going now, but keep your head up good luck at work and see ya"

Me: Bye

 

The following day, I went on Facebook and noticed that he restricted me. I can only see his profile pic and not much else. I can't see his wall or any of his pictures anymore. I think I was asking too many questions about guy roommates girl roommates, so he felt that I was stalking him. So he restricted me because he doesn't want me to know what he is doing or what he is up to. I still want him to be my friend and maybe even romantic relationship with him. We were intimate in the past when we were dating last year. So we have a history together. I want to date him again.

 

Can I rescue this relationship? Is it too late?

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Nope I doubt it. Tip: never mix business with pleasure.

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Good lord, no, you can't get him back. If he'd wanted you back, he'd have contacted you a long time ago and tried to get you back. Now he's annoyed because you've acted like this in a business transaction on top of not wanting to stay with you to begin with.

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I don't think it can go any further. It's all left a bad taste. You shouldn't feel entitled that just because you dated he's to afford you privileges. It's a business transaction.

 

In any case, it doesn't seem like he's interested.

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The guy sounds unkind.

 

A man who was into you would be much more lenient and forgiving about your only bringing the 500.

 

Some people are kind. Other people aren't.

 

Kind people go " oh. You didn't bring the full deposit. I'm happy to give you until this date, not a problem all good"

 

Where as a person who has low empathy will have a go at you and express their disappointment. Although if the guy was broke and literally needed the money then I can understand why he voiced hjs distaste and was a bit harsh.

 

A guy that felt a spark with you and was truly into you or had a crush on you, would not have asked for a deposit if he didn't NEED to. You blatantly stated that this guy technically didn't NEED a deposit and that it was up to his own discretion. Yet he CHOSE to despite not needint to.

 

He sounds a little harsh and not like he's the most sensitive or generous person. Plus he is not AT ALL into you.

 

Why do you want to date him? Don't you want a guy who's crazy about you?

 

He obviously hasn't felt much of a spark. If he did he would make it known. And not treat things like purely a business arrangement. Your comments wouldn't deflect a man who was truly into you.....

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I don't think it can go any further. It's all left a bad taste. You shouldn't feel entitled that just because you dated he's to afford you privileges. It's a business transaction.

 

In any case, it doesn't seem like he's interested.

 

The men I've been into would have definitely bee more lenient and at least been totally understanding about the 500 deposit rather than the full amount. Men who were into me were more light handed with issues suchas reprimanding me whenI did wrong. ...

 

Men just have a lighter tough with women they r into.....

Posted (edited)

I think he got annoyed about the whole deposit thing, because he probably feels you're more like an acquaintance now. He doesn't know and trust you enough to give you some "special friends treatment," I'm not even sure why you would expect that.

 

It seems like he's not interested at all, and he was mostly being nice to you on that day because he was trying to "make a sale." You do have a history so it's only natural you guys would catch up a little bit during the transaction.

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What relationship? There isn't a relationship to save, beyond a friendly business relationship.

 

He didn't need to resort to cussing, but honestly, I can see why he's irritated. He told you the amount you needed to bring, you agreed - and showed up with less. He went along with that. He then specified the three forms of payment he needed - and you brushed that off too and did it your own way. For some reason, you seem to have assumed you had a privilege of some type. I don't totally disagree when he says he feels you took advantage of your friendship. If you didn't like his terms, you shouldn't have agreed to them.

 

Look, he's not interested in dating you again. And it's not about your questions regarding his roommates. Find another place to live so you can move on.

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You traded on a friendship to gain an advantage in a business transaction. If you want the apartment, pay the money & move in.

 

 

After you are settled, call him & invite him over for a house warming.

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You traded on a friendship to gain an advantage in a business transaction. If you want the apartment, pay the money & move in.

 

 

After you are settled, call him & invite him over for a house warming.

 

But if the guy truly felt something special with this lady, he would have been more sensative. He wouldn't have cussed and voiced hisdistaste and would have a lot softer about it instead.

 

I've seen plenty of men fall for a woman; it never starts out like this. The men always had too much of a soft spot in order to warrant cussing or harsh reactions.

 

I am not saying the guy should havesignificantly lessened his profits. For this lady. But if he was truly into her then he would have dealth with the ops forgetfulness and difficult to handle actions with more sensitivity.

 

That is a fact. No guy who is taken and enamoured with a new girl treats her the exact same way that he does other clients that he has no.... " feelings" towards.

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But if the guy truly felt something special with this lady, he would have been more sensative. He wouldn't have cussed and voiced hisdistaste and would have a lot softer about it instead.

 

 

Not when she is screwing with his livelihood.

 

 

If I was him I would never go near her again. I'm not sure I'd even rent to her because that entails some ongoing interaction.

 

 

If she wants to fix this she needs to separate business from pleasure. Her plan to use him because he liked her was not a good one.

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So I am the girl in this story.

 

The reason why I contacted him originally was to try to get back with him (not to use him to get an apartment). The whole year when we didn't speak, I just couldn't stop thinking about him and missed him so much, but I didn't know how to get in contact with him again. The apartment was just an excuse to start up a conversation with him and to have a reason to meet up with him again. Since I am working in NYC now and he does apartment leases, that just happens to be how we met up. When we met up the first day, he did ask me "Are you dating anyone right now?" I said no and he also said he is not dating anyone either.

 

The reason why I was hesitant to give him the deposit was because I couldn't trust him to give him the $1500. How things turned out, we are not even friends (absolutely not dating), so how do I trust him with my deposit? What if he doesn't give back the deposit? What if he stops answering my calls? He can run away. That's why it took me a while to give him the deposit. At the end, I just told myself just trust him and gave him the deposit.

 

The only reason why I moved into this apartment now is so that I can at least stay in his life as landlord/tenant and maybe if I pay rent on time and time goes by, we can at least become friends like before. Time can heal things. I want to have some type of ongoing interaction and at least become friends with him again. I don't have a lot of friends in NYC, so I would like to have him as a friend and maybe date him later on. (but I know dating him right now at this point is not possible, we need to become friends first).

 

On the weekends, I would like to text him and we can maybe meet up for a drink at a lounge and just be friends and hang out and get to know each other. That's really what I want at the moment (I know he is not at all interested in dating me at this point). But as we hang out as friends, he can get attracted to me like how he was last year and we can start dating. (But let's not get to that point yet, we are really getting ahead of ourselves).

 

How do I become friends with him again?

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You don't. You said you don't trust him. It you don't trust him, there is no sense being friends or more.

 

You tried to a pretext. You were unclear. You made everything worse. He also cursed at you & is not aggravated because you wasted his business time. He's not going to get past that quickly

 

If you ever go down this road again with somebody in the future, you come clean early. After seeing the apartment & being flirty you "confess" to using it as an excuse. that would be cute / cheeky. Drawing it out, being unclear & jerking him around. . . well this is what happens

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UNLESS he works on his own .... and not for a company he needs to report every transaction to, he *had* to go by the book and ask for the full deposit in the form of certified check.

 

That is pretty much standard procedure when you rent. Same for the 30-day notice.

 

He can't be giving special privileges to friends or women he wants to date, he could get fired!!

 

So not sure why you expected special privileges due to your friendship..?

 

This was a business transaction, he is required to treat you as *tenant* as that is precisely what you are!

 

Even if you were his girlfriend, with respect to this situation, you are also a tenant.

 

I don't blame him for being upset, you *were* being very difficult... not abiding by the terms of the lease by paying full deposit in form of certified check, expecting special treatment due to your own romantic feelings and expectations.

 

Of which he knew nothing about!

 

Not sure if this friendship can be saved unless you apologize.

 

As far as anything romantic, forget it, he is not interested in anything romantic, at least not at this point in time, that's obvious.

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He doesn't work for a company. He works for himself. Pretty much, he does this lease thing to make money on the side because he is still in school.

 

I did send him a text:

"I am so sorry for causing trouble last couple of days. It's just that I have trouble trusting people since I was little and I've been really stressed with my new job. I hope you didn't take it personally. I don't have a lot of friends in the city.. I hope we can still be friends"

 

He did respond:

"Thanks for the text. Appreciate you saying sorry"

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He doesn't work for a company. He works for himself. Pretty much, he does this lease thing to make money on the side because he is still in school.

 

I did send him a text:

"I am so sorry for causing trouble last couple of days. It's just that I have trouble trusting people since I was little and I've been really stressed with my new job. I hope you didn't take it personally. I don't have a lot of friends in the city.. I hope we can still be friends"

 

He did respond:

"Thanks for the text. Appreciate you saying sorry"

 

Does he own the place you are renting? Or is he renting from the owner and sub-letting to you?

 

You say you didn't trust him, it is possible he didn't trust YOU either. Which is why he required full deposit in form of certified check. To protect himself.

 

Trust goes both ways.

 

That said, I am glad you apologized!

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He rents it from the owner and sublets it to 5 people.

 

So, what can I do going forward to become his friend again?

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He rents it from the owner and sublets it to 5 people.

 

So, what can I do going forward to become his friend again?

 

You have done it, you apologized that is all you can do.

 

By the way, does the owner he rents from know he sublets to five people for more rent than he pays him/her (the owner)?

 

Just curious. Something sounds fishy about that.

 

Anyway, if it were me, I would stay at the apt, and going forward.... be the perfect tenant!

 

Pay rent on time be clean, courteous, quiet.

 

In time, your friendship could be rekindled ... morphing into something more possibly..

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I'm not sure if the owner knows that he sublets it to five people.

 

While I just pay rent on time and be a perfect tenant, he could get a girlfriend and everything is over for me.

 

How can I seduce him (before he gets another girl)?

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I'm not sure if the owner knows that he sublets it to five people.

 

While I just pay rent on time and be a perfect tenant, he could get a girlfriend and everything is over for me.

 

How can I seduce him (before he gets another girl)?

 

To me, it has an awful taste about it. You both handled it poorly. IMO, you much worse than he did. I do not think there is any future for the two of you at all and that you are deluding yourself. During the entirety of the exchanges, he sounds less than interested. This is not how you worm your way into some guy's life that you dated previously. AT ALL.

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I'm not sure if the owner knows that he sublets it to five people.

 

While I just pay rent on time and be a perfect tenant, he could get a girlfriend and everything is over for me.

 

How can I seduce him (before he gets another girl)?

 

Hmmm...

 

Well first off, call him up and tell him you want to stay at the apt.

 

Then, when settled in, you can invite him over for dinner as a way to say sorry for making things difficult.

 

Don't push it but let nature takes its course.

 

That's about it unless you want to throw yourself at him, which I would NOT recommend if you want him to respect you and take you seriously.

 

Last thing you want to be is a booty call!

 

Have you told him you want to stay?

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