ALL OR NOTHING Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 So if you've just broken up and your body feels like it's in a thousand pieces while someone shoots fire balls from hell at your remains , don't worry your just slowly becoming addicted to feeling like sh@t , this happens because your main addiction was your partner but now he or she is gone you need a new addiction so you'l likely choose sadness as it's the closest thing you can find. What we don't realize is that we are quite literally ****ing ourselves as our minds are completely useless without this drug , or at least that's what we perceive is the truth , however the truth is quite different , with our modern day wonder brains we have a special added feature which a lot of us don't seem to use it's called 'focus'. What ever we are doing at any single moment we are becoming better at it. This sentence will quite possible change your whole life if you truly understand the vastness of its possibilities. The brain and body have no choice but to obey the commands of our thoughts , the problem is most of the time we don't think. We run 95% of our day on auto pilot , running predesigned programs we've created , thinking the same **** doing the same **** and feeling the same **** over and over again. Why do we do this? Because the brain and bodies job is to become better at whatever your thoughts are focused on , so good in fact that at some point after a little practice you don't even need to think about something you just do it. Then after a little more time your body actually becomes better than your brain at performing the task and you can't even remember how to do it you just do it. For instance trying to remember a phone number but you can't , but as soon as you pick up the phone your fingers seem to type it out right before your eyes. This happens when you have done something so much that you no longer need to think about it. So why do I need to no this? Well if you wake up and think OMG my life is **** and my partner doesn't love me and I'm terrible and I smell like a 3 week old onion and bus stop puke sandwedge then you are no doubt becoming better at thinking that , after a short period of time Youl become so good at thinking this you won't even have to think about it anymore Youl do it habitually , instinctually , every day without even trying. This is called a paradigm , read up about them , it will change your life! So if you wanna change a paradigm ( a collection of behaviors ) then the way to do it is to create a new set of behaviors and practice them till they render the old behaviors void and useless. Do not try to change your paradigms as this won't work , just simply create new ones and remember that the change will feel weird an strange but I promise you keep practicing something and you will inevitably become better at it. So imagine this for a second , if you can choose what you think and thinking starts the brain and body on a journey to become better at what we were thinking about , then why don't we pay more attention to what we are thinking? For example think of a cute little cat with big fluffy ears juggling 3 kangaroos whilst balancing on the tip of a crayon , are you picturing this? The point im making is that whilst thinking about that you probably weren't thinking about your ex or your breakup were you? but 'now' all you can think about is them right? A simply shift in focus can change your mood in seconds , a thought creates a chemical , called an emotion , that emotional chemical is created in the brain commanded by a single thought , which immediately makes your body feel the exact way you were just thinking. It's simple , think of the loss of a break up , instantly release the chemicals of emotions which cause sadness and loneliness. Your body doesn't give a **** what you think it doesn't know what your doing or what's real or how you want to really feel it just does exactly what you tell it to do every single time you ask it. You are no more than a collection of information and software , programing your future through your thoughts. If we think a certain way for long enough the thoughts we think become beliefs and these are what all our problems are is just a collection of thoughts that we perceive to be real. So in order to feel happy again we have to change our beliefs ( a collection of thoughts ) in order to change our feelings. So what is a belief? Why is it we believe something? It's Because we see something enough times that it becomes true! This doesn't make it true , it just makes it true to us , we make our own reality every minute of every day by the thoughts we think which create the emotions we feel and then we begin to think more of what we are feeling and feel more of what we are thinking and the cycle continues over and over. The trick is to decide right now that you wanna feel different , to think differently and snap out of this emotional state which limits our perspective on our power and control of our own happiness. If you are unhappy you are choosing to be , if you are sad you are choosing to be , no one else is making you feel like this , it's you! Grasp the truth of your life and remember that what you feel now can change the moment you change your focus , in less than a 100 years the problems of the billions of people on this planet will be all gone and nothing we ever did will really matter at all , remember that every time you feel sad! The only ones that will matter are the ones who realized that we were all born champions and we all have the power to change the world for the greater and to make a difference to the future , so don't sit there crying watching easterners dreaming about the man or women who was the 'one' , the reality is that you are the 'one' , they were just apart of your dream and journey , so get up fire your **** up and live every second like it was your last because one day it will be. The clock is ticking. Stop focusing on what you don't want and 'only' focus on what you do want and watch how your life and feelings will change literally the moment you decide to do this. It will feel strange at first that's because your addicted to feeling like **** but if you keep at it and are driven Youl change in around 30-90 days , this process you will eventually have to go through anyway so you may as well start right now! 2
TaraMaiden2 Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 1. Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with an impure mind a person speaks or acts suffering follows him like the wheel that follows the foot of the ox. 2. Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with a pure mind a person speaks or acts happiness follows him like his never-departing shadow. From here. All of the above is quite near the mark, although there are some inaccuracies..."The brain and body have no choice but to obey the commands of our thoughts , the problem is most of the time we don't think....." ...There is ALWAYS a choice.... See my signature. And in essence, such 'wisdom' has already been expounded, as detailed above. Nice post. Just goes to support what I have been saying for quite a while!!
Author ALL OR NOTHING Posted May 10, 2016 Author Posted May 10, 2016 From here. All of the above is quite near the mark, although there are some inaccuracies... ...There is ALWAYS a choice.... See my signature. And in essence, such 'wisdom' has already been expounded, as detailed above. Nice post. Just goes to support what I have been saying for quite a while!! This doesn't make sense -All of the above is quite near the mark, although there are some inaccuracies... ...There is ALWAYS a choice.... See my signature. Yeh you make the choice and your body does what you choose!
TaraMaiden2 Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 This doesn't make sense -All of the above is quite near the mark, although there are some inaccuracies... ...There is ALWAYS a choice.... See my signature. Yeh you make the choice and your body does what you choose! Yes. But - you have a moment to either choose wisely, or choose foolishly. If you look at the very first passage I quote, you will see that all actions are mind-led. Body - follows Mind. But - The brain and body have no choice but to obey the commands of our thoughts is an incomplete assessment. If we think and choose wisely, the results are more favourable to our actions, if we think and choose UNwisely. The BRAIN - is where the decision is calculated. It is WITH the brain, that Mind is made. So the BRAIN has the choice.
Author ALL OR NOTHING Posted May 10, 2016 Author Posted May 10, 2016 Yes. But - you have a moment to either choose wisely, or choose foolishly. If you look at the very first passage I quote, you will see that all actions are mind-led. Body - follows Mind. But - is an incomplete assessment. If we think and choose wisely, the results are more favourable to our actions, if we think and choose UNwisely. The BRAIN - is where the decision is calculated. It is WITH the brain, that Mind is made. So the BRAIN has the choice. I don't really get what your saying , the brain an the body are the direct result of our thoughts. For example the brain and body are the tennis ball and our thoughts are the racket that directs the ball. Choosing wisely or not either way you have chose and your body and brain follow that command. They do not care what choice you have made they carry out the thought either way. I think your fighting what we both already know and believe me there's no need.
TaraMaiden2 Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 I'm not fighting at all. I'm clarifying your comment. You state brain and body have no choice. I'm breaking it down further to clarify that BRAIN is what makes the choice. MIND is within the brain. Scientists - Psychiatrists, neurologists - agree that there is a difference between 'brain' and 'Mind'. But as of yet, they have been unable to SEPARATE the two. They can define and discern function. But they cannot separate.
Author ALL OR NOTHING Posted May 10, 2016 Author Posted May 10, 2016 I'm not fighting at all. I'm clarifying your comment. You state brain and body have no choice. I'm breaking it down further to clarify that BRAIN is what makes the choice. MIND is within the brain. Scientists - Psychiatrists, neurologists - agree that there is a difference between 'brain' and 'Mind'. But as of yet, they have been unable to SEPARATE the two. They can define and discern function. But they cannot separate. The brain is just a collection of thoughts wired together into physical matter. For another example the thoughts we have are the colours we pick and those colours are stored in the brain enabling us to paint pictures , these pictures are our reality , we do not see the world as it is we merely see it as what we are ( through the colours we chose ) If I choose to feel happy and wish to smile and sing my body and brain doesn't stop me from doing this , it simply smiles and sings , it doesn't have a separate choice as your mind/thoughts are the chooser.
TaraMaiden2 Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 Ok, have it your own way, whatever makes you happy.
Author ALL OR NOTHING Posted May 10, 2016 Author Posted May 10, 2016 Ok, have it your own way, whatever makes you happy. So are you telling me are body and brain have a separate choice to what we are thinking?
TaraMaiden2 Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 Yes. Body does what brain tells it to. Try doing something without having even thought about doing it. Everything, regardless of whether it's within you or observed - is Mind-wrought. It all begins within the Mind/Brain, with what we tell ourselves, or with what we convince ourselves. Brain is manifest within the body, but is not the body.
Author ALL OR NOTHING Posted May 10, 2016 Author Posted May 10, 2016 Yes. Body does what brain tells it to. Try doing something without having even thought about doing it. Everything, regardless of whether it's within you or observed - is Mind-wrought. It all begins within the Mind/Brain, with what we tell ourselves, or with what we convince ourselves. Brain is manifest within the body, but is not the body. I literally have no idea what your on about , the sentences you are stitching together have no clear relevance to what I'm talking about an seem to be fabricated out of ignorance rather than quantified scientific data , your describing it in such a way that implies some form of backed up intelligence that I should be aware of. I describe this way of thinking as wasteful as life is to short to prove that you no what I no. That's like owning a cloths shop and walking down the road to another cloths shop and letting them know you sell cloths. While it's fascinating to listen to you disagree with the same thing we are agreeing on I'm not quite sure what your intent is by doing this. I'm not here to sell cloths to people who sell cloths if you get what I'm saying. I'm now fully aware that you are the human equivalent of google and that your wisdom has been carved by angles into the building blocks of this sight for centuries and I must first seek my approval with you before I express any form of help.
TaraMaiden2 Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 Ok, if that's your opinion, fine. Like I said, have it your own way.
Author ALL OR NOTHING Posted May 10, 2016 Author Posted May 10, 2016 Ok, if that's your opinion, fine. Like I said, have it your own way. Maybe I'm just being suspicious but anyone who posts 5 thousand plus posts on here in a year doesn't understand paradigms to well maybe I'm wrong , anyway no hard feelings
TaraMaiden2 Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 That really means nothing at all. I simply think we misunderstand each other. And that's fine too.
TaraMaiden2 Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 A Paradigm is defined, in The Cambridge Online Dictionary as: a model of something, or a very clear and typical example of something Could you tell how in the very small theoretical statement you made, that I quoted, namely, this: ...The brain and body have no choice but to obey the commands of our thoughts... There is a paradigm, and that I have misunderstood it? Because that's really the only part I took issue with. I don't see any reference to Scientific Data in your post, either, come to mention it. And you brought up that point, not I.... However, I am a 20+ years student of a Philosophy that dates back to 500 years BC, and as Buddhism is often described as a 'Religion of the Mind' I think I'm fairly well qualified to expound what I did, although I would baulk and strongly resist any description of myself as as authority on the subject.
TaraMaiden2 Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) I have, so far, located two reference links to Brain/Mind interaction. Nowhere yet, have I found anything, anywhere, that states - The brain and body have no choice but to obey the commands of our thoughts , the problem is most of the time we don't think. We run 95% of our day on auto pilot , running predesigned programs we've created , thinking the same **** doing the same **** and feeling the same **** over and over again. Why do we do this? Because the brain and bodies job is to become better at whatever your thoughts are focused on , so good in fact that at some point after a little practice you don't even need to think about something you just do it. Then after a little more time your body actually becomes better than your brain at performing the task and you can't even remember how to do it you just do it. For instance trying to remember a phone number but you can't , but as soon as you pick up the phone your fingers seem to type it out right before your eyes. These to be accurate, scientific or proven. I'd be more than delighted to eat my words, humble pie, and apologise if you could present me with anything that does. I also don't think you're offering the correct definition of 'paradigm'. You say it's a "collection of behaviours". I can't seem to find that definition, either.... https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/paradigm http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paradigm http://www.yourdictionary.com/paradigm Many thanks for an interesting discussion, too! Edited May 10, 2016 by TaraMaiden2
bluefeather Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 Well this turned into a seemingly useless debate. Thanks again for the original post, though. 1
Itspointless Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Nowhere yet, have I found anything, anywhere, that states - Quote: The brain and body have no choice but to obey the commands of our thoughts , the problem is most of the time we don't think. We run 95% of our day on auto pilot , running predesigned programs we've created , thinking the same **** doing the same **** and feeling the same **** over and over again. Why do we do this? Because the brain and bodies job is to become better at whatever your thoughts are focused on , so good in fact that at some point after a little practice you don't even need to think about something you just do it. Then after a little more time your body actually becomes better than your brain at performing the task and you can't even remember how to do it you just do it. For instance trying to remember a phone number but you can't , but as soon as you pick up the phone your fingers seem to type it out right before your eyes. If am not mistaken I read references to implicit, explicit memory and embodied memories in the quotes above. But it does not follow per se that the brain and body have to follow our thoughts. That seems to be the famous cartesian dichotomy ones again. The book The body keeps the score by Bessel A. van der Kolk, MD. is very nteresting in that regard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53RX2ESIqsM Edited May 10, 2016 by Itspointless
TaraMaiden2 Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 If am not mistaken I read references to implicit, explicit memory and embodied memories in the quotes above. But it does not follow per se that the brain and body have to follow our thoughts. That seems to be the famous cartesian dichotomy ones again. The book The body keeps the score by Bessel A. van der Kolk, MD. is very nteresting in that regard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53RX2ESIqsM I am absolutely 100% on the explicit/implicit memory, and/or embodied memories. I know from personal experience that the state of Mind always affects the body; the physical affects the mental and vice-versa. I am a Shiatsu therapist; I studied Traditional Chinese Medicine some archives and documents of which date back 4,000 years. TCM has always maintained that the emotions interplay with the physical, and that the Yin Organs are the ones most touched by associated emotions. So it has been known for millennia that the body affects the mind, affects the body. I have extreme difficulty with the 'brain following our thoughts' theory, and would welcome an example or some kind of link relating to this statement, from the OP. 1
Itspointless Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) I am absolutely 100% on the explicit/implicit memory, and/or embodied memories. I know from personal experience that the state of Mind always affects the body; the physical affects the mental and vice-versa. I am a Shiatsu therapist; I studied Traditional Chinese Medicine some archives and documents of which date back 4,000 years. TCM has always maintained that the emotions interplay with the physical, and that the Yin Organs are the ones most touched by associated emotions. So it has been known for millennia that the body affects the mind, affects the body. I have extreme difficulty with the 'brain following our thoughts' theory, and would welcome an example or some kind of link relating to this statement, from the OP. That is interesting Tara, I am more versed in western philosophy and science (I like continental philosophy a lot). I am with you on the circular mechanisms, as that is my personal experience as well. Although I do see for example that cognitive therapy is a perfect example where thought (believes about ourselves and others) can alter our behavior. It can be very useful in certain situations. But it is too thin in my opinion to be the basis of the conclusion that our brain and body follow our thoughts. Even though it is true that our minds are the lenses through which we construct our mental representations of the world (which is one problem in the area of philosophy of science). Edited May 10, 2016 by Itspointless
TaraMaiden2 Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 That is interesting Tara, I am more versed in western philosophy and science (I like continental philosophy a lot). I am with you on the circular mechanisms, as that is my personal experience as well. Although I do see for example that cognitive therapy is a perfect example where thought (believes about ourselves and others) can alter our behavior. It can be very useful in certain situations. But it is too thin in my opinion to be the basis of the conclusion that our brain and body follow our thoughts. Even though it is true that our minds are the lenses through which we construct our mental representations of the world (which is one problem in the area of philosophy of science). That said, it is interesting to note that His Holiness the Dalai Lama (Or HHDL, for expediency) is closely connected to several institutions studying the correlation between emotions, and their effect on the physical. He has worked closely with Psychiatrists, Psychologists, neurologists and others both expert and experienced in the field of Mental/physical correlation, and is deeply committed to both investigating and understanding such issues. This is one such time his involvement has been documented, but he has also worked with authors and writers to expand his knowledge and to communicate his experiences.
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