Plagued and Diseased Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Im wondering if anybody else thinks the way I do.. I feel this world is sick and full of hate and greed and nothing else. So much horrible stuff going on abuse, murder, rape, animal cruelty etc... I wonder why we are like this.. I wonder what the world was like before us humans screwed it up and turned it into a sh*thole. We are the only living things on the planet that are screwed up. You dont see any other living thing killing unless for food or unless threatened. You may think im sick in the head, but we dont deserve to live. And I can say i am no better because here i am using technology and doing what everybody else does. We cant even save ourselves, and nobody knows it. We have no right to this planet. We destroyed it, and soon we will have to pay. Most people right now probably think i need some serious help, you have no idea... every living person on this planet needs help. And no nothing bad happend to me in my life to make think like this. My family is upper middle class i never experienced anything dramatic. Well, what im trying to get at is here, if everyone looked at themselves and thought about how we live its not normal. We turned this beautiful planet into a desolant place of hate and greed. And some people are going to say look at all the goodthings going on. Yea well there is a badside to everything nobody realizes it. Think about it look past all these lies and our so called "way of life"
ratzxvital Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 I would have to agree that humans are highly flawed creatures. There is a lot of awful things in the world ect., if it helps you, do what you can to make a difference. Besides that what else can you do? Complain and be depressed about it all? It is possible to be peaceful in this frantic place. What do you want out of life? It may sound selfish but I think you should stop thinking of the world's problems (though they do affect you), do what you can, but not stay in this awful mental state. If you dont like living on the physical earth, find a place within yourself.
suegail Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 I don't see why you'd think anyone would feel you need serious mental help based on the fact that you feel such concern over problems which truly exist. In fact I'm glad to see that someone brought up outside of poverty and with no background of trauma can see that there are problems in the world, terrible problems. You're a realist. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, there's something very good about it. If you have not read it, read through the book of Ecclesiastes. I think you'll find King Solomon felt the same dissatisfaction with the state of the world he was living in.
Bliss Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 First of all turn off the TV. Live in the here and now, learn to appreciate life, yourself, beauty. Remember things that inspired and elevated you before, they still do, if you bring them back to your life. Don't think in terms of "we". You personally didn't bring harm to anybody, so don't feel guilty. Don't try to destroy darkness, just turn on the light.
moimeme Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 And some people are going to say look at all the goodthings going on. Yea well there is a badside to everything nobody realizes it. Of course people realize it and there are lots of people actively trying to do something about the bad stuff. The world isn't all black or all white - there's a goodly amount of each and so you look to the beauty and good things to give you hope while you try to do what you can about the bad things. Otherwise you'll just give up and be part of the problem instead of part of the solution.
Rosalind Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Oh gosh! No 1 : change that dreadful username, pleeeeeze!!! No 2 : ever heard of gratitude?
AndrewJ Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 From the words of neil young "Don't let it bring you down It's only castles burning, Find someone who's turning And you will come around."
d'Arthez Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 It is half of a healthy outlook on the world, but not more than that.
Tony Posted June 19, 2005 Senior Moderators Posted June 19, 2005 "To want to change the state of conditions seemed futile to me. Nothing would be altered, I was convinced, except by a change of heart....but who could change the hearts of men?" - Henry Miller, Tropic of Capricorn
Rosalind Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Originally posted by AndrewJ From the words of neil young "Don't let it bring you down It's only castles burning, Find someone who's turning And you will come around." OMG!!! AndrewJ......like if THAT is not one of my fave songs of all time...but I only listen to the Annie Lennox version...do you know it? Anyways - Plagued and Diseased, - Have you ever visited a cancer clinic? have you ever spent time in the BURN UNIT at a major hospital?......I have. You're extemely lucky person - so sad you don't recognize that.
whichwayisup Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Yes, there is ALOT of bad in the world, but there is SO MUCH GOOD too. The good stuff is what you have to concentrate on otherwise thinking about the bad stuff and watching it on TV, is just going to eat you up. If you want to DO something about it, think about writing a freelance article to your local paper. Organize a neighbourhood street watch - GET involved in the Community. Those are the things that will ease your mind. And some people are going to say look at all the goodthings going on. Yea well there is a badside to everything nobody realizes it. I know the bad stuff is there, trust me I know it. I was part of the Media for 13 years, SO I've seen ALOT of stuff. I know what's out there okay. I just CHOSE not to allow it to take over. Another thing to think about is, if you're unhappy all the time, and honestly it sounds like you're a very down person, you're going to attract that right back at ya. That saying, misery loves company, is true. It's OK to feel angry and down about how f***ed up life is at times, but the good always outweighs the bad. IN my books it always does. Here's something that I think of ALOT. I got to see my niece being born. I was RIGHT there, holding my sister's leg up. I saw my nieces head come out, I saw her take her first breath, I got to hold her and kiss her. She's almost 7 years old now and our bond is absolutely incredible. She calls me everyday and I try to drop by my sis's house daily too. Now I have 2 nieces, the other is 4 years old. I don't know how old you are, but you're too young to take on the attitude that LIFE SUCKS 24/7. Yeah, it does suck at times, life is hard at times - Death, shootings, stabbings, break-ins, terrorism, kidnappings, all of it - BAD and SUCKS. I agree with you, but not everybody is capable of doing stuff like that. There are many many many wonderful people out there who make a difference and are truely happy. Try to stay on the positive track and maybe you'll see things in a better light.
d'Arthez Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 WWIU, that depends entirely on the intensity of his thoughts. How can you do good in a world, which is run by idiots, to name but one possible thought? It is just a drop of water in the ocean. The purest water cannot purify all pollution in the ocean. In fantasy that does happen, in the real world it does not. As for easing the mind, the mind is not put at ease this easily. The more profound your involvement in the world, the harder it is to deal with the world in a way that is satisfactory. If all you care about is American Idol, your life is simple, and you put yourself at ease with just that. Okay you might become neurotic one way or the other, but as that is common nowadays it is no big issue. If however you are deeply moved by the idea of world peace, and not in an Orwellian sense, there is no easy solution. You might prevent someone from pursuing a career in politics, but that would only mean that another person will be elected, and fight war for whatever reasons. It would be a small success of course, but not more than that. The original poster put forward a lot of negativistic thoughts, but they are just as much part of understanding the world, and making sense of one's life, as the opposite. To ignore that, is only to delude oneself. The problem is of course to integrate both in a meaningful way in an outlook of the world, which would enable you to do something with your insights, and idea. There is no place for naivete, in an outlook of your world. That is politically, economically and psychologically. You have to understand things and people, before you can actively pursue an effective plan of changing things. In your personal life, and the world at large around you. Most people don't have such an understanding. "One cannot be deeply responsive to the world without being saddened very often." - Erich Fromm
Author Plagued and Diseased Posted June 19, 2005 Author Posted June 19, 2005 Im sixteen and no im not depressed... Im just looking at things the way they truly are. Im not going to deny myself that we are a highly flawed race. I am pretty anti-social but i dont mind it, I will talk to my family, and I do have 2 really close friends iv known since i was six. I would rather be somewhere in the mountains where theres nobody and i could spend the rest of my life drawing drawing scenery. But, thats not going to happen because im going to have to get a job which will only add to my frustration. Whats wrong with my name
Rosalind Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Dear d'Arthez....... I'm sensing that you are an intelligent man, however I am unable to comprehend what you are saying. He's not talking specifics about what toubles he's having in life...he's just saying life sucks in general. And that just shows a negative attitude. Oh oh oh.....here he is replying......ummmm, 16, huh? actually that explains alot. And your username - well man, lets just say it sucks bigtime. But guess what? you're only 16, that means you're off the hook (this time)
westernxer Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Become an artist or something and channel your frustration into something meaningful... if you're lucky enough, people will pay to see your pain. That will be your revenge on the state of being. Better to be a creator than a critic. Start now.
whichwayisup Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 d'Arthez, I don't know wtf you're trying to say to me, but if you're saying I live in a bubble and have a naive outlook on life, you're sadly mistaken. Looking down on others isn't a good thing eh. I feel that is how you came off in your last response. I do understand this kid, what does he have to look forward to in his mind? The way life is changing and not for the better? I mean, I gave him a wonderful idea! And there was NO mention of it in his reply back. I think him maybe DOING something that makes HIM feel like he's doing some good in this world could help his frame of mind! Writing an article from a teenagers point of view - I think is a great idea! Westy is bang on!
Author Plagued and Diseased Posted June 19, 2005 Author Posted June 19, 2005 He's not talking specifics about what toubles he's having in life...he's just saying life sucks in general. No, No, you got me all wrong. Im not saying my life sucks... Im saying our way of life sucks. Yea i do look for meaning, but how can I if theres so much more negative things. I cant just live in my own little word and pretend everything is "ok," because its not, its far from ok. I cant surround myself with the finer things in life because, thats where all the greed and everything is about"me" starts to get into your head. Im not saying there arent wealthy people who like to help the poor. You dont see many wealthy people helping poverty etc... No, its all bout the 24" rims, private jets, super models, and 2 million dollar homes.
Guest Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Originally posted by Plagued and Diseased Im wondering if anybody else thinks the way I do.. I feel this world is sick and full of hate and greed and nothing else. So much horrible stuff going on abuse, murder, rape, animal cruelty etc... I wonder why we are like this.. I wonder what the world was like before us humans screwed it up and turned it into a sh*thole. We are the only living things on the planet that are screwed up. You dont see any other living thing killing unless for food or unless threatened. You may think im sick in the head, but we dont deserve to live. And I can say i am no better because here i am using technology and doing what everybody else does. We cant even save ourselves, and nobody knows it. We have no right to this planet. We destroyed it, and soon we will have to pay. Most people right now probably think i need some serious help, you have no idea... every living person on this planet needs help. And no nothing bad happend to me in my life to make think like this. My family is upper middle class i never experienced anything dramatic. Well, what im trying to get at is here, if everyone looked at themselves and thought about how we live its not normal. We turned this beautiful planet into a desolant place of hate and greed. And some people are going to say look at all the goodthings going on. Yea well there is a badside to everything nobody realizes it. Think about it look past all these lies and our so called "way of life" Don't think that you are the only person to ever have this view. You are not. Sorry, but you didn't just have an epiphany. There are books and studies and philosophy's about the human race being nothing more than a parasite on the planet. Didn't you ever see any old SciFi movies about aliens coming to earth and using it until all the natural resources were extinct and then moving on after the planet was dead? They weren't talking about aliens from another planet -- its symbolic of the human race. WE are the parasites.
d'Arthez Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 I may perceive people as I do, WWIU. It is just my perception of them, and nothing more. Only the first paragraph was in response to you and solely on the point of how easy / hard it is to do something positive. If you read more into the statement than that, I can't help it. Yes, I believe not all people live in reality. Most of us are not enlightened in the spiritual meaning, are we? As the original poster clarified Originally posted by Plagued and Diseased Im not saying my life sucks... Im saying our way of life sucks My impression is, that you should not advice him to do things to ease his mind, but to give him ideas how to make sense of the world, and most of all suggest ways for him to come to a higher level of understanding everything. At 16, he is young, but we should not suggest to him, to turn a blind eye to the bad things in the world. The more profound his understanding becomes, the more of a positive impact he will have in the world.
whichwayisup Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Just try not to focus so much on those bad things. Life in general is hard, and we have NO CONTROL over it, so that makes it harder. We don't know what tomorrow brings, hense Sept 11th! But letting the bad consume you or make you feel bad alot of the time isn't healthy. I misunderstood you then, I appologize. You're venting and I guess I put my own spin on their assuming (which is wrong, assuming is baaad, lol!) that you were down and out. Im saying our way of life sucks. Yea i do look for meaning, but how can I if theres so much more negative things. I cant just live in my own little word and pretend everything is "ok," because its not, its far from ok. I cant surround myself with the finer things in life because, thats where all the greed and everything is about"me" starts to get into your head. Im not saying there arent wealthy people who like to help the poor. You dont see many wealthy people helping poverty etc... No, its all bout the 24" rims, private jets, super models, and 2 million dollar homes. I hate watching Nobody is asking you to not notice what is going on in this world, just don't allow it to take over. You can't stop living life just because others may be worse off than you. SO go volunteer at a shelter. Serve the less fortunate soup and salad. Help with food drives. At Christmas time, volunteer your time with your local fire department and help deliever presents to people may have lost their homes in a fire, those children who don't have toys anymore. That way YOU will feel like you're making a difference in someone's life - Bring a smile to a child's face. Stop watching so much if it is upsetting you. Anyway, I hope you do end up doing some good out there. You definately have the passion behind it to make a difference!
Author Plagued and Diseased Posted June 19, 2005 Author Posted June 19, 2005 I don't know wtf you're trying to say to me, but if you're saying I live in a bubble and have a naive outlook on life, you're sadly mistaken. Looking down on others isn't a good thing eh. I feel that is how you came off in your last response Ok where in any of my responses did i direct anything to you. Could you please find what I said that was directed towards you... I do understand this kid, what does he have to look forward to in his mind? Is this sarcasm because i dont find it amusing. I mean, I gave him a wonderful idea! And there was NO mention of it in his reply back I am a kid after all as you said. Who would give danm about my opinion
whichwayisup Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Im not saying my life sucks... Im saying our way of life sucks Yes D. And that was said AFTER I posted my original post. Not before. The poster was not clear in saying that and I think we unfortunately ALL assumed he was down by his first post, that and his username. The username shouts out. My impression is, that you should not advice him to do things to ease his mind, but to give him ideas how to make sense of the world, and most of all suggest ways for him to come to a higher level of understanding everything. At 16, he is young, but we should not suggest to him, to turn a blind eye to the bad things in the world. The more profound his understanding becomes, the more of a positive impact he will have in the world. Each of us have our own way of wanting to advise, my methods may not be like yours, but it's not bad to suggest he not focus only on the negative way of life. I didn't tell him NOT to ever keep his eyes open and see the bad in the world, I just think at 16 to allow this kind of thinking to consume him isn't right. My last post has suggested for him to DO something about how he is feeling! Talking about it, venting about it is fine, but if he wants to feel like he is doing something to help possibly change things then stop talking and DO.
Rosalind Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Okay, Diseased....I think I understand your point.....but you gotta understand that most members on this forum are twice your age. So, you may not get the responses you hoped for. Anyways, good luck sweetie
whichwayisup Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Ok where in any of my responses did i direct anything to you. Could you please find what I said that was directed towards you... You didn't read it properly. That was directed at D'arthez. Not you. Is this sarcasm because i dont find it amusing. I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I am trying to help you, but you're not seeing what I'm saying. Read my last post about doing something productive to make a difference. I am a kid after all as you said. Who would give danm about my opinion If I didn't care, I would not be posting reply's to you. I would not be trying to suggest different idea's, that you could do alot of good. I meant kid not in a bad way. (I call my husband kid once in a while.) I'm sorry if I upset you.
Author Plagued and Diseased Posted June 19, 2005 Author Posted June 19, 2005 You didn't read it properly. That was directed at D'arthez. Not you. very sorry
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