Lack Of Dates

March 21, 2016

I agree with this. I also grew up with very generous parents and in my culture men generally treat and spoil their women. It may be different in western culture..

I also like this type of attitude in my friendships. When I go out with my friends I abolutely can't stand bill splitting where everyone counts each cent . One person pays and we take turns but nobody really counts whose turn it is, it all happens naturally. Usually we have to fight over who is allowed to pay Even with my current housemate, we have a deal where we both eat whatever is in the fridge and when we run low on something, whoever notices tops it up.

So if I go on a date with a guy who wants to split the bill, I have to say it's a deal breaker I can already tell that our attitude to money won't be compatible. It's much bigger than spending x amount of $s, it's about the mindset of genoreous vs tight.

I would date a generous poor guy over a tight rich one any day.

Throughout this whole thread I can see Leigh's POV and I understand it. In fact, I probably "out princess" her. I've never paid for a date when I was dating. I enjoyed being taken out to nice places and receiving expensive presents.

Leigh is studying to be a Podiatrist. You couldn't pay me ANY amount of money to look at crusty feet.

I think where she loses ground is when she becomes unreasonable. But she seems to be figuring it out. It's a learning curve.

March 21, 2016

I agree with this. I also grew up with very generous parents and in my culture men generally treat and spoil their women. It may be different in western culture..

I also like this type of attitude in my friendships. When I go out with my friends I abolutely can't stand bill splitting where everyone counts each cent . One person pays and we take turns but nobody really counts whose turn it is, it all happens naturally. Usually we have to fight over who is allowed to pay Even with my current housemate, we have a deal where we both eat whatever is in the fridge and when we run low on something, whoever notices tops it up.

So if I go on a date with a guy who wants to split the bill, I have to say it's a deal breaker I can already tell that our attitude to money won't be compatible. It's much bigger than spending x amount of $s, it's about the mindset of genoreous vs tight.

I would date a generous poor guy over a tight rich one any day.

Exactly.

He is Ukrainian so he isn't into the idea of bill splitting. It's petty.

I absolutely loved it how, whenmy friend met her current bf, whenever they left the house he would just absolutely want to dote on her and he loved the idea of her being a pampered princes. He wouldn't spend hundreds in her if anything ridiculous. Maybe 1 out of 10 times he'd treat her to a dress but she's oay 9/10 times...

But what I noticed abouthis attitude was that he had the instinctive drive to provide and spoil her; he would never let her reach into her wallet at ANY stage during their days out together. If she wanted a smoothie and he didn't want one for himself -- she would absolutely reach for jer wallet but he'd stop her.

It's not about big purchases for me.. it's the ATTITUDE that demonstrated that he dislikes the woman reaching into her wallet when they are out together doing cheap things where in my honest opinion, it's petty and un manly when men don't pay for cheap items while out at the mall.

I like to receive decent presents BASED IN THEIR INCOME and omly for my birthday Christmas and smaller gifts for valentine's day andanniversaries. I DO NOT require gifts outside of thise special occasions.

If a guys poor then I still need him to be a generous poor guy; but I absolutely wouldn't want tbem to spend beyond their means. I wouldn't want them to go poor for me. I'd want him to be generous based in what he had. Poor guys obviously would spoil me with quality time, affection andcool free date he surprises me wifh.

A generous poor man is far superior to a rich man who is mediocre in terms ofspoiling; even the whole " you get this one and I'll pay next time" type deal

Nothing turns me off more than a man that can afford to treat a woman yet still preferes to split the bill.

So ultimately, it's hilarious that I've been called a gold digger when I have simple specified the type of MENTALITY I need from a boyfriend, and it's NOT THE A AMOUNT SPENT.

It so happens that my bf is on an average Aussie wage. If he was poor I'd expect a lot less.

March 21, 2016

But what I noticed abouthis attitude was that he had the instinctive drive to provide and spoil her; he would never let her reach into her wallet at ANY stage during their days out together. If she wanted a smoothie and he didn't want one for himself -- she would absolutely reach for jer wallet but he'd stop her.

It's not about big purchases for me.. it's the ATTITUDE that demonstrated that he dislikes the woman reaching into her wallet when they are out together doing cheap things where in my honest opinion, it's petty and un manly when men don't pay for cheap items while out at the mall.

I like to receive decent presents BASED IN THEIR INCOME and omly for my birthday Christmas and smaller gifts for valentine's day andanniversaries. I DO NOT require gifts outside of thise special occasions.

If a guys poor then I still need him to be a generous poor guy; but I absolutely wouldn't want tbem to spend beyond their means. I wouldn't want them to go poor for me. I'd want him to be generous based in what he had. Poor guys obviously would spoil me with quality time, affection andcool free date he surprises me wifh.

A generous poor man is far superior to a rich man who is mediocre in terms ofspoiling; even the whole " you get this one and I'll pay next time" type deal

Nothing turns me off more than a man that can afford to treat a woman yet still preferes to split the bill.

So ultimately, it's hilarious that I've been called a gold digger when I have simple specified the type of MENTALITY I need from a boyfriend, and it's NOT THE A AMOUNT SPENT.

It so happens that my bf is on an average Aussie wage. If he was poor I'd expect a lot less.

Leigh, I'm genuinely curious. What percentage of his income do you expect a man to spend on you? In turn, what percentage of your income do you expect to spend on a man?

March 21, 2016

I don't know how much will my post contribute to the development of the discussion on this thread, but I just felt a sudden urge to express an opinion. I don't mean to insult anyone with it.

Everyone has a right to their opinion and striving towards what feels good to them, but I can't let go expressing how unsettling it feels for me to read women's posts about how men need to spoil them like princesses and pay for dates and gifts. What happened to equality, what happened to female empowerment and feminism? It baffles me how being spoiled by a man is portrayed like the ultimate positive thing in the relationship. To me, men and women are equal (well, except in our biology), they are partners, they are teammates. One covers for the other in time of need. A woman can pay her share of the date costs, since she contributed to it. A woman can let go of unrealistic expectation of how much her man needs to spend on her birthday gifts and go buy her own gifts for herself. A man can think through his budget and decide to that he really needs to spend the left over cash for a little something for himself this time. Why does a relationship always need to revolve around a woman as the center of the universe?

Now I don't say it's not nice to spoil each other time after time. But in no way would I let a man stop me reaching for my wallet if I want to pay for myself. That's so devaluing, that's like saying: "aww, let me get this for you honey, that's not a task for a little fragile woman".

I do get that that's what a part of women want - they do want to feel fragile and little and secured, but that never works out in the long run. Things happen, relationships break and what if that happens after a 20 years of him spoiling you? Then you're completely lost and not at all used to being fully in charge for yourself, feeling strong and not requiring anything from your partner except for fair partnership, love and respect.

I don't expect my opinion change anyone's views, but just wanted to offer a different mindset, which is, btw, the dominating mindset in the Scandinavia.

March 21, 2016

Leigh, have you even started school yet? You said you took a semester off to work full time where you saved for five months for a Sept/Oct timeframe trip to South America. So, did you take both semesters off -- one to work and one to travel?

You said you were a year behind, which would make sense if you took a semester off to work and a semester off to travel. so, essentially, you haven't even started your podiatry degree yet? Are you taking classes now?

March 21, 2016

Lorenza with respect I am wondering if you have been reading all of Leigh's posts .... because throughout this thread she has asserted SHE does her fair share of spoiling her boyfriend(s) too, is very generous toward them.

She is also in university, studying to be Podiatrist, and plans on working and earning an amount of money EQUAL to what her boyfriend is earning ...

So if things do eventually crumble, I highly doubt she will be feeling lost and helpless.. as you suggest.

Just my opinion, but I think what Leigh is trying to say is that she believes in both people in the RL spoiling *each other*....

She enjoys being spoiled, and she enjoys spoiling, and needs to date a man with that same mentality and IMO there is nothing wrong with that, as long as both are happy and fulfilling each other's needs, which sounds like is exactly what is happening now in her current.RL

She just wants to go out on the town once in awhile, not $200 dinners, but a simple casual inexpensive date where she can dress up ....as opposed to sitting around the house wearing sweats, eating pizza and watching Netflix.

And I see nothing wrong with that either.

If you don't need those thingsbin yiur RL, fine, I respect that...just as i would hope you would respect what Leigh needs too in "her" relationship.

Edited March 21, 2016 by katiegrl

March 21, 2016

Leigh, have you even started school yet? You said you took a semester off to work full time where you saved for five months for a Sept/Oct timeframe trip to South America. So, did you take both semesters off -- one to work and one to travel?

You said you were a year behind, which would make sense if you took a semester off to work and a semester off to travel. so, essentially, you haven't even started your podiatry degree yet? Are you taking classes now?

Did first semester. Took second off to work full time.

Now I'm back. And REFUSE to try and balance full time work with study ever again. I tried and failed at it.

Anyone who thinks anyone can do it are delusional. Some people can.

March 21, 2016

I don't know how much will my post contribute to the development of the discussion on this thread, but I just felt a sudden urge to express an opinion. I don't mean to insult anyone with it.

Everyone has a right to their opinion and striving towards what feels good to them, but I can't let go expressing how unsettling it feels for me to read women's posts about how men need to spoil them like princesses and pay for dates and gifts. What happened to equality, what happened to female empowerment and feminism? It baffles me how being spoiled by a man is portrayed like the ultimate positive thing in the relationship. To me, men and women are equal (well, except in our biology), they are partners, they are teammates. One covers for the other in time of need. A woman can pay her share of the date costs, since she contributed to it. A woman can let go of unrealistic expectation of how much her man needs to spend on her birthday gifts and go buy her own gifts for herself. A man can think through his budget and decide to that he really needs to spend the left over cash for a little something for himself this time. Why does a relationship always need to revolve around a woman as the center of the universe?

Now I don't say it's not nice to spoil each other time after time. But in no way would I let a man stop me reaching for my wallet if I want to pay for myself. That's so devaluing, that's like saying: "aww, let me get this for you honey, that's not a task for a little fragile woman".
I do get that that's what a part of women want - they do want to feel fragile and little and secured, but that never works out in the long run. Things happen, relationships break and what if that happens after a 20 years of him spoiling you? Then you're completely lost and not at all used to being fully in charge for yourself, feeling strong and not requiring anything from your partner except for fair partnership, love and respect.

I don't expect my opinion change anyone's views, but just wanted to offer a different mindset, which is, btw, the dominating mindset in the Scandinavia.

But that's who you are and how you feel.

Not everyone feels the same way.

You can't just expect everyone to have the same thoughts and preferences.

Many men prefer to pay for dates. Many women prefer to be the weak, feminine one whdn it comes to certain things.

I don't see why that's a bad thing; it doesn't mean that most women who love being spoiltalso refuse to work and continue fairly.

My....and many women that desire to be spoilt and dislike the idea of splitting the bill, cannot just change our natural preferences. It is as ingrained in us as the physical type YOU'RE naturallythe most drawn to.

My preference of being a bit spoilt comes isn't something that I can just change i could tolerate a man whoisn't into spoiling me muchand prefers to talk turns paying for dates but I would be far happier if the man paid and let me spoil him equally in the way that I most enjoy.

Why should we want equality in every facet of life? There is a reason that there are more men truck drivers than women and more male fire fighters and the like. It is GREAT that the OPPORTUNITY is there for a woman to be a machine operator or a truck driver. There ARS some women in male dominated fields.

But should it be 50/50 male and female in every profession? Who really cares? The opportunity is there for people to challenge the gender roles and theres no one stopping women and men from working in processions usually NOT represented in their own sex.

There'sno ine making many men spoil their partners. Many prefer to. I prefer men who are naturally like that. And I've dated both types; men who naturally spoilt and pampered their women were my bsst relationship experiences by FAR.

I spoilt them back. Because I am extremely generous. So it makes sense that very generous women want very generous men. And it just so happens that I prefer to be generous with love attention quality time and gifting and I expect men to deliver the same including dates abd small trips and day trips paid for by then cis it aint expensive and I was a generous man who doesn't think to ask me fkr my half of the hotel bill for a small trip that he can well afford.

For things they cannot afford, sure I'll contribute.

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March 21, 2016

Lorenza with respect I am wondering if you have been reading all of Leigh's posts .... because throughout this thread she has asserted SHE does her fair share of spoiling her boyfriend(s) too, is very generous toward them.

"Fair share" is a vague term. After all, there are some women who consider 100% Men / 0% Women as "fair". That's why I asked for percentages from Leigh.

March 21, 2016

I don't know how much will my post contribute to the development of the discussion on this thread, but I just felt a sudden urge to express an opinion. I don't mean to insult anyone with it.

Everyone has a right to their opinion and striving towards what feels good to them, but I can't let go expressing how unsettling it feels for me to read women's posts about how men need to spoil them like princesses and pay for dates and gifts. What happened to equality, what happened to female empowerment and feminism? It baffles me how being spoiled by a man is portrayed like the ultimate positive thing in the relationship. To me, men and women are equal (well, except in our biology), they are partners, they are teammates. One covers for the other in time of need. A woman can pay her share of the date costs, since she contributed to it. A woman can let go of unrealistic expectation of how much her man needs to spend on her birthday gifts and go buy her own gifts for herself. A man can think through his budget and decide to that he really needs to spend the left over cash for a little something for himself this time. Why does a relationship always need to revolve around a woman as the center of the universe?

Now I don't say it's not nice to spoil each other time after time. But in no way would I let a man stop me reaching for my wallet if I want to pay for myself. That's so devaluing, that's like saying: "aww, let me get this for you honey, that's not a task for a little fragile woman".
I do get that that's what a part of women want - they do want to feel fragile and little and secured, but that never works out in the long run. Things happen, relationships break and what if that happens after a 20 years of him spoiling you? Then you're completely lost and not at all used to being fully in charge for yourself, feeling strong and not requiring anything from your partner except for fair partnership, love and respect.

I don't expect my opinion change anyone's views, but just wanted to offer a different mindset, which is, btw, the dominating mindset in the Scandinavia.

I've travelled to all Scandinavian countries.

They are my favourite part of the world.

But I have to speculate that the innate desire and preference to be spoilt versus taking charge and going 50/ 50 for dates and leisure, is UNIVERSAL: it is an inbuilt desire that is held or nit held, to varying degrees all over the world.

I personally want to be the pampered princessesand fragile women when it comes to dates and small trips and moderately priced leisure.

But then I want to be strong snd capable in my career and I want to contribute my fair share for rent and living expenses.

I am a woman and I need to be romanced. I'll repay them in the way that I feel comfortable doing so.

Luckily, there are maaany men who share my preference and those are the men I date. Many men actually dislike a woman paying because they are just insanely generous or they have a huge desire to honour the traditional gender roles regarding dating. ...

It is Ludacris to propose that EVERYONE shouod suddenly be like you in this regard. Women like me fit well with men who prefer to do the spoiling. That leaves plenty of feminists and men who prefer to split the check to all pursue each other.

The world wouldbe lacklustre if we all though the sane way as you. It is a good thing they thre are men and women like me VERSUS men and women like you.

March 21, 2016

"Fair share" is a vague term. After all, there are some women who consider 100% Men / 0% Women as "fair". That's why I asked for percentages from Leigh.

She has already explained , numerous times, all the ways she spoils her boyfriend(s) both monetarily (giving gifts and expensive too!)... and via her actions.

You now want her to provide percentages?

Some of you guys are too freaking much, unbelievable.

Edited March 21, 2016 by katiegrl

March 21, 2016

She has already explained , numerous times, all the ways she spoils her boyfriend (s) both monetarily (giving gifts and expensive too!)... and via her actions.

You now want her to provide percentages?

Some of you guys are too freaking much, seriously.

I asked her to provide percentages in response to her post in which she expects gifts to be based on the guy's income. She is calculating! I'm just curious as to what the numbers are in her mind.

March 21, 2016

"Fair share" is a vague term. After all, there are some women who consider 100% Men / 0% Women as "fair". That's why I asked for percentages from Leigh.

Ok.

We don't have mortgage or kids. Are not planning on kids until I graduate andI'll be given a house and won't pay a mortgage. We just want the one kid. If any.

We are both 30.

He is on 55 to 60k a year. I'm on 300 a week. So combined about 75K.

He is moving up in his field. I'll earn 60 to 100K my first grad role in 3 years.

We both have 2 to 300 leftover each per week. Well he has 150 to 400 actually. And I have 200 leftover.

He pays rent I pay monthly phone bill which is actually IN COMMENSURATE to our incomes.

I would like us to continue to save and for him to only spend on Birthdays, Christmas, valentine's, anniversaries. ..

For Christmas, I consider a 500 dollar gift from a man earning 60k a year. I am generous so I would just like a man to match my level of generosity.

Whenhe is on 75 K a year and beyond, then I will start to want presents between special occasion ms and occasional fancy dates and weekends away; nothing huge, just 2 or e times a year for weekends away and once fortnightly dates.

I enjoy gifting.

All in all, 50% of what he earns he SHOUKE SAVE. the other 25% for him to spend on himself ane the remaining 25% for me.

March 21, 2016

All in all, 50% of what he earns he SHOUKE SAVE. the other 25% for him to spend on himself ane the remaining 25% for me.

This is the breakdown of his income. How about the breakdown of your income? Do you plan on going with the same 50/25/25?

March 21, 2016

Ohh that's awesome - I cracked reading the 50/25/25 split.

Ok, as someone who's not supported by parents/partners etc, living on my own means for almost a decade, I'll tell you this split is impossible on his income. Usually 33% of the persons income is accounted for housing expenses (rent+utilities), medical expenses (insurances etc), food, transport.

60/2=30 k. So he saves 30 k per year in your calculation, another 20k go for housing + utilities (=384 weekly). Left are 10 k. Pretax. Post tax: say 7 k (I don't know Aussie brackets).

7k/2 = 3500 yearly for each of you (if splitting 1:1, to keep 50/25/25 ratio)

3500/52= 67 dollars weekly! For each of you. For food, transport, toiletries and luxuries.

I just followed your calculation, super curious how you live each on 67/7= 9.57 daily per person, which is reflecting the 50/25/25 split

Ok.

We don't have mortgage or kids. Are not planning on kids until I graduate andI'll be given a house and won't pay a mortgage. We just want the one kid. If any.
We are both 30.
He is on 55 to 60k a year. I'm on 300 a week. So combined about 75K.
He is moving up in his field. I'll earn 60 to 100K my first grad role in 3 years.

We both have 2 to 300 leftover each per week. Well he has 150 to 400 actually. And I have 200 leftover.

He pays rent I pay monthly phone bill which is actually IN COMMENSURATE to our incomes.

I would like us to continue to save and for him to only spend on Birthdays, Christmas, valentine's, anniversaries. ..

For Christmas, I consider a 500 dollar gift from a man earning 60k a year. I am generous so I would just like a man to match my level of generosity.

Whenhe is on 75 K a year and beyond, then I will start to want presents between special occasion ms and occasional fancy dates and weekends away; nothing huge, just 2 or e times a year for weekends away and once fortnightly dates.

I enjoy gifting.

All in all, 50% of what he earns he SHOUKE SAVE. the other 25% for him to spend on himself ane the remaining 25% for me.

March 21, 2016

This is the breakdown of his income. How about the breakdown of your income? Do you plan on going with the same 50/25/25?

Who cares.

Leigh and her boyfriend seem to be figuring it out. From what I'm reading she seems very concerned with the big picture. Nobody can say who pays what and when and where and whatever. They seem to have an understanding.

March 21, 2016

I've travelled to all Scandinavian countries.

They are my favourite part of the world.

But I have to speculate that the innate desire and preference to be spoilt versus taking charge and going 50/ 50 for dates and leisure, is UNIVERSAL: it is an inbuilt desire that is held or nit held, to varying degrees all over the world.

I personally want to be the pampered princessesand fragile women when it comes to dates and small trips and moderately priced leisure.

But then I want to be strong snd capable in my career and I want to contribute my fair share for rent and living expenses.

I am a woman and I need to be romanced. I'll repay them in the way that I feel comfortable doing so.

Luckily, there are maaany men who share my preference and those are the men I date. Many men actually dislike a woman paying because they are just insanely generous or they have a huge desire to honour the traditional gender roles regarding dating. ...

It is Ludacris to propose that EVERYONE shouod suddenly be like you in this regard. Women like me fit well with men who prefer to do the spoiling. That leaves plenty of feminists and men who prefer to split the check to all pursue each other.

The world wouldbe lacklustre if we all though the sane way as you. It is a good thing they thre are men and women like me VERSUS men and women like you.

Leigh, where did I propose that everyone should be like me?

If you read again, I said Im just offering a different point of view and my own opinion. What you wrote here is your own interpretation of what I said.

I said it's quite anti-feminist to leave everything to a man and I stand with my own opinion and didnt suggest anything to you personally so chill

March 21, 2016

A couple only making $75K a year, should be focusing on the basics, and if there are savings at the end, that is a bonus. No one in that income bracket should be buying $500 presents.

Again, I think you've got some strange ideas about what other people do, that isn't really based on reality. The only people I know that spend that much on presents for their significant other are DINKs who make well over $100K a year and usually are already well into having their mortgage paid off.

March 21, 2016

Lorenza with respect I am wondering if you have been reading all of Leigh's posts .... because throughout this thread she has asserted SHE does her fair share of spoiling her boyfriend(s) too, is very generous toward them.

She is also in university, studying to be Podiatrist, and plans on working and earning an amount of money EQUAL to what her boyfriend is earning ...

So if things do eventually crumble, I highly doubt she will be feeling lost and helpless.. as you suggest.

Just my opinion, but I think what Leigh is trying to say is that she believes in both people in the RL spoiling *each other*....

She enjoys being spoiled, and she enjoys spoiling, and needs to date a man with that same mentality and IMO there is nothing wrong with that, as long as both are happy and fulfilling each other's needs, which sounds like is exactly what is happening now in her current.RL

She just wants to go out on the town once in awhile, not $200 dinners, but a simple casual inexpensive date where she can dress up ....as opposed to sitting around the house wearing sweats, eating pizza and watching Netflix.

And I see nothing wrong with that either.

If you don't need those thingsbin yiur RL, fine, I respect that...just as i would hope you would respect what Leigh needs too in "her" relationship.

With all respect Katie, I didn't qoute or address Leigh in my post and it was written very generally, again - my point of view with no lines like: "stop expecting your man to spoil you, Leigh!". Also I particularly mentioned that I'm not expecting to change anyone's views and everyone has a right to strive for what feels good to them. But text interpretation is a very personal thing

Answering to what you wrote about Leigh wanting to go out sometimes - is it so horribly unthinkable for a woman to take charge and organize dates themselves instead of waiting and getting resentful? I do that, cause i know my distracted nerd won't, so I suggest that as a sollution to others who want more dates out too.

March 21, 2016

She has already explained , numerous times, all the ways she spoils her boyfriend(s) both monetarily (giving gifts and expensive too!)... and via her actions.

You now want her to provide percentages?

Some of you guys are too freaking much, unbelievable.

From the posts I understood that he spoils her back, in the most thoughtful way, but it's not enough for Op, isn't it? If she wants more, she'll have to take initiative and do it herself, its that simple.

March 21, 2016

With all respect Katie, I didn't qoute or address Leigh in my post and it was written very generally, again - my point of view with no lines like: "stop expecting your man to spoil you, Leigh!". Also I particularly mentioned that I'm not expecting to change anyone's views and everyone has a right to strive for what feels good to them. But text interpretation is a very personal thing

Answering to what you wrote about Leigh wanting to go out sometimes - is it so horribly unthinkable for a woman to take charge and organize dates themselves instead of waiting and getting resentful? I do that, cause i know my distracted nerd won't, so I suggest that as a sollution to others who want more dates out too.

Fair enough, however it may have been better to clarify you were not referring to Leigh specifically in the beginning of your post, as the fact you voiced your opinion on Leigh's thread and in response to a situation she was posting about.... implies your were addressing Leigh specifically.

But again fair enough.

March 21, 2016

Many men actually dislike a woman paying because they are just insanely generous or they have a huge desire to honour the traditional gender roles regarding dating. ...

I'm one of those guys.

But, I stop short at funding a woman's education or lifestyle, constant gift giving, or general encouragement of 'princess' behaviour.

There's a big difference between a guy that acts masculine (old school, or whatever), and a guy trying to placate his missus with dresses. In my opinion, yours isn't a relationship based on 'traditional gender roles', it's one where you are the center of the universe, and he has to constantly work to earn your favour.

Would you say that you are in charge of this relationship? It definitely seems that way.

March 21, 2016

Ok.
He is on 55 to 60k a year. I'm on 300 a week. So combined about 75K.
.

Out of curiosity how much % you pay in income tax if you earn 60K a year in Australia?

Here in Canada it's about 38% of 60K means 37,200 in his pocket. Divided by 52 weeks that's 721 a week.

You at 300$ a week probably pay 10% income tax so that's 270$ in your pocket a week. I would not consider that 'an income'.

At 37K a year in his pocket supporting 2 people and you want $500 gifts?

March 21, 2016

I just found this in an article on Australia household income

The latest release shows that the median gross household income in 2013-14 was $80,704, and the average of all households was $107,276.

Gross household means couples combined income. In Australia a couple earns on average combined 107K, that's 50K each. Your boyfriend earns 60K which puts him above median for 1 person, yet you keep saying he has a low income.

Do you have a realistic view on what average Aussies earn?

March 21, 2016

I've travelled to all Scandinavian countries.

They are my favourite part of the world.

But I have to speculate that the innate desire and preference to be spoilt versus taking charge and going 50/ 50 for dates and leisure, is UNIVERSAL: it is an inbuilt desire that is held or nit held, to varying degrees all over the world.

I personally want to be the pampered princessesand fragile women when it comes to dates and small trips and moderately priced leisure.

But then I want to be strong snd capable in my career and I want to contribute my fair share for rent and living expenses.

I am a woman and I need to be romanced. I'll repay them in the way that I feel comfortable doing so.

Luckily, there are maaany men who share my preference and those are the men I date. Many men actually dislike a woman paying because they are just insanely generous or they have a huge desire to honour the traditional gender roles regarding dating. ...

It is Ludacris to propose that EVERYONE shouod suddenly be like you in this regard. Women like me fit well with men who prefer to do the spoiling. That leaves plenty of feminists and men who prefer to split the check to all pursue each other.

The world wouldbe lacklustre if we all though the sane way as you. It is a good thing they thre are men and women like me VERSUS men and women like you.

Just wanted to say you have a good point here! To each their own. I live in Scandinavia (I am not born here but lived here for 18 years), and I would never accept an expensive gift from a boyfriend. It's just not me. I've dumped guys for bringing me flowers on the first date or on March 8 (International Women's Day) because that day to me does not symbolize flowers and chocolate, it symbolizes the women's fight for equality. I hate getting flowers generally - I think they are a waste of money and I prefer to pay for my own dates. I feel uncomfortable when a man pays for me, because it would make me feel like I owe him something or he has 'paid' for my company. All the men I've dated and the one I am seeing currently HATE the women who have the princess attitude. It just makes the men feel used and as if the women are only with them to get free food or drinks.

BUT it is great that there are men out there (I would guess the more Southern mentality - Eastern European, Latin American, Southern European, etc.) who like that relationship dynamics which simply would not work for me or my friends.

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