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Because I'm curious?

 

I'd like to find where the line between regular dating and sugar dating is.

 

Where the Love Shack membership defines that line, how people reconcile the man paying for the date with the man paying for a sugar baby.

 

It's an interesting topic.

 

I'm not analyzing anything. I'm going to Miami Music Week with a super fun chick.

 

I'm a curious person by nature. Curious where the line is drawn between paying for dates and paying for sugar.

 

They are pretty close to each other.

 

I personally don't consider it sugar.

 

Just a rich guy being generous and treating her to a good time.

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serial muse Established Member

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For me the question is, do you have the expectation that she'll only hook up with you the entire time (or with other women but only if you're present)?would it be a problem if she hooked up with another guy?

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loveweary11 Established Member

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Didn't read the thread but if the compensation is understood up-front, it just sounds like an escort to me. I think the "sugar" thing implies some sort of ongoing business arrangement/quasi-relationship, whereas you've just got someone to go with you to this thing, for pay.

 

Didn't read the thread but it's escorting? :lmao:

 

She has $0 compensation.

 

Just a free trip. That's what makes it borderline IMO.

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For me the question is, do you have the expectation that she'll only hook up with you the entire time (or with other women but only if you're present)?would it be a problem if she hooked up with another guy?

 

Of course.

 

Only the lowest scum of a human being goes away with a guy for a weekend or a week and hooks up with other dudes.

 

EVERYONE knows that.

 

She can do all the chicks in Miami though. I never have a problem with that. lol

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Didn't read the thread but it's escorting? :lmao:

 

She has $0 compensation.

 

Just a free trip. That's what makes it borderline IMO.

 

Didn't read the thread, did read your OP, where you said -

 

Here's the financial side... this is a factor in determining if it's sugar, I'm thinking, although I'm doing all of this anyway and want the right person to do it with. Numbers are rounded.

 

1) F* You All Access Passes that allow you to get into all the best parties no matter if they are sold out, if there is a bouncer or a line. Show the pass, say F* You and go right in. $500 per pass, $1000 total. Passes get you entry to the daytime pool parties and club parties at night. Everything sells out, so these are amazing.

 

2) Boat isn't ready for high maintenance chicks yet. $1000 Airbnb

 

3) Food/Drinks....and she can drink. Drinks $20 a pop. I recall $100 mojito pitchers last year too. This will run into $1000+ Food is pricey too. May stock the air bnb with groceries to offset eating out all the time.

 

4) Ultra Music Festival - Plan to go on Sunday when people are burnt out and selling their passes. $200 hopefully. They only sell full festival passes, not single day passes, so a lot of people are done by Sunday or can't attend and sell them.

 

5) Her flight. $400-500 I'm sure. 2,300 miles each way.

 

That's her compensation, such as it is. I assume she wouldn't be joining you if you weren't covering all this stuff. So ....escort.

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I'm not 100 percent familiar w the rules of Sugaring, but I will say this:

 

I am having a really really tough time imagining any adult w any sense of fair play accepting an *all-expenses-paid* trip from someone without paying for *something* substantial, the least of which being her own airfare, and at least some of the cost of room&board/meals. She might not have a lot of money but she can contribute *something*. She sure as hell wouldn't be expecting someone to pay for everything AND expensive liquor for herself on top of that. Especially if she can afford a boob job for herself.

 

This week is looking like a great big bowl of Frosted Flakes to me.

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joseb Established Member

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Especially if she can afford a boob job for herself.

 

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I doubt she paid for them herself.

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Didn't read the thread, did read your OP, where you said -

 

 

 

That's her compensation, such as it is. I assume she wouldn't be joining you if you weren't covering all this stuff. So ....escort.

 

So....

By the same logic...

 

If I ask a girl out to dinner and she refuses to go unless I'm paying for it,she's an escort?

 

Wouldn't that make 99% of all women on this board escorts?

 

I'm seeing possibly sugar, but to say paying for her half of the date ,means she's an escort...

that a that's a lot harder to understand.

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loveweary11 Established Member

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I doubt she paid for them herself.

 

joseb always knows what's up. :D

Indeed, her ex bought them

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So what's the consensus, 4 pages on? Is it or is not sugar dating?

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loveweary11 Established Member

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So what's the consensus, 4 pages on? Is it or is not sugar dating?

 

Like most things on the interwebs, it seems to be a draw. Some said yes, some said no.

 

No full agreement.

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So....

By the same logic...

 

If I ask a girl out to dinner and she refuses to go unless I'm paying for it,she's an escort?

 

Wouldn't that make 99% of all women on this board escorts?

 

I'm seeing possibly sugar, but to say paying for her half of the date ,means she's an escort...

that a that's a lot harder to understand.

 

LW, you sound like FF365 right now - asking for feedback and then advocating for some preconceived notions of your own and 'debating' the feedback. I'm not really here to debate you about what I think. Take it or leave it - it sounds like an escort situation to me. If you don't like that, maybe next time ask for feedback only from ppl who agree with your premise up front. :p

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Asking a girl out to dinner and paying for it would be like an escort situation (similar to the OP's) if the guy was paying for the girl's dinner because that is what he had to do in order to have her in the restaurant with him. I don't think most guys who ask a girl out to dinner are in that state of mind. Surely some are - I'm thinking of the escort situations where a guy "buys" some arm candy for an event.

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LW, you sound like FF365 right now - asking for feedback and then advocating for some preconceived notions of your own and 'debating' the feedback. I'm not really here to debate you about what I think. Take it or leave it - it sounds like an escort situation to me. If you don't like that, maybe next time ask for feedback only from ppl who agree with your premise up front. :p

 

Ok. One vote for escort.

 

I just hold you to a different standard, Jen. You're a very intelligent chick. Logic and writing skills air tight.

 

So... had to question an opinion saying, "if a man pays for a date the girl must be an escort."

 

Just because a man almost always pays for the date. :confused:

 

But we'll mark one down in the escort column...

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Ok so you want to debate anyway lol ....

 

When/where did I say that if a man pays for a date a woman is an escort? I said that, in your case, if you're paying for airfare, tickets, food and drinks, lodging and all-access passes to have a woman you don't particularly know come to town and accompany you on a weekend music festival thing, it sounds to me like she's an escort.

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Wow so u are truly buying love.

 

Don't u think u deserve more than that? Don't u want a girl who really loves you?

 

Let me tell you from the other side: I once had a boyfriend who tried to buy me (he wasn't loaded like u probably are), and I felt so uncomfortable. I did like him when we started dating, we just went on some simple dates and he would pay for the dates and bring me little gifts. Then when I wanted to break up, he kept giving me gifts and they were so sweet and awesome and I just greedily accepted them without wanting to continue the relationship. At a certain point he bought me a really expensive gift, very beautiful and sparkly and all, and I very much wanted to have it, but it just didn't feel right because I really didn't like him that much. So I broke it off at that point. That is a lot of money later.

 

The point here being: I am really not a materialistic girl, I was a girl in between relationships really needing and wanting attention and I took all those things from him without really liking him, while he was putting all his love into these things. I got corrupted by money. And after a while felt terrible for 'betraying' him like that because he really had a good heart. And he was devastated. And I feel really bad for it. I decided to tell him exactly why I broke it off with him and tell him everything concerning the gifts and all, so that in the future he wouldn't do this again (he did it again still and tries cry to me about it still now after 3 years..). Anyhow my point is: don't spend too much money on a girl no matter how pretty she is. It is all about happiness, and u can never be happy with a girl that is pretending.

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I agree with Pop. Why don't you just go with the flow and see what happens. You don't have to put a label on everything you do. You seem to overanalyse relationships a great deal.

I think he's just showing off really..

The question is a moot point.

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Ok so you want to debate anyway lol ....

 

When/where did I say that if a man pays for a date a woman is an escort? I said that, in your case, if you're paying for airfare, tickets, food and drinks, lodging and all-access passes to have a woman you don't particularly know come to town and accompany you on a weekend music festival thing, it sounds to me like she's an escort.

 

That's it... just wanted to hear a little more reasoning. :)

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Wow so u are truly buying love.

 

Don't u think u deserve more than that? Don't u want a girl who really loves you?

 

Let me tell you from the other side: I once had a boyfriend who tried to buy me (he wasn't loaded like u probably are), and I felt so uncomfortable. I did like him when we started dating, we just went on some simple dates and he would pay for the dates and bring me little gifts. Then when I wanted to break up, he kept giving me gifts and they were so sweet and awesome and I just greedily accepted them without wanting to continue the relationship. At a certain point he bought me a really expensive gift, very beautiful and sparkly and all, and I very much wanted to have it, but it just didn't feel right because I really didn't like him that much. So I broke it off at that point. That is a lot of money later.

 

The point here being: I am really not a materialistic girl, I was a girl in between relationships really needing and wanting attention and I took all those things from him without really liking him, while he was putting all his love into these things. I got corrupted by money. And after a while felt terrible for 'betraying' him like that because he really had a good heart. And he was devastated. And I feel really bad for it. I decided to tell him exactly why I broke it off with him and tell him everything concerning the gifts and all, so that in the future he wouldn't do this again (he did it again still and tries cry to me about it still now after 3 years..). Anyhow my point is: don't spend too much money on a girl no matter how pretty she is. It is all about happiness, and u can never be happy with a girl that is pretending.

 

Not at all! I don't want a girlfriend right now. I'm not interested in falling in love currently.

 

I'm going to a fantastic party and I want to bring a really fun, party chick with me.

 

No love involved.

 

I don't love her, I don't want a relationship with her and I wouldn't take her home to mom.

 

I just want to have a party companion that's on my level of fun for the week.

 

No one is pretending. We are playing for the week in an adult playground.

 

I'm already spending on me. She's just coming along.

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I think he's just showing off really..

The question is a moot point.

 

Precisely. :lmao:

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Summer3 Established Member

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I'm not 100 percent familiar w the rules of Sugaring, but I will say this:

 

I am having a really really tough time imagining any adult w any sense of fair play accepting an *all-expenses-paid* trip from someone without paying for *something* substantial, the least of which being her own airfare, and at least some of the cost of room&board/meals. She might not have a lot of money but she can contribute *something*. She sure as hell wouldn't be expecting someone to pay for everything AND expensive liquor for herself on top of that. Especially if she can afford a boob job for herself.

 

This week is looking like a great big bowl of Frosted Flakes to me.

 

I don't agree with this because I've been taken out on expensive dates and never even thought about paying. But I wouldn't go away with someone unless I was really into him and was thinking "long term relationship."

 

Since he isn't handing her "cash" it might seem like a really cool date but LW knows it isn't...that's why he made the thread. He's taken women out before and paid lots of money for the date and knew it was a real date not a sugar thing.

 

LW REMEMBER you said you were "Loveweary" and that's why you're doing this sugar thing anyway so it is what it is.

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After reading all 5 pages the only conclusion I can draw is: Damn, I wish I was a woman with big fake boobs.

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Not at all! I don't want a girlfriend right now. I'm not interested in falling in love currently.

 

I'm going to a fantastic party and I want to bring a really fun, party chick with me.

 

No love involved.

 

I don't love her, I don't want a relationship with her and I wouldn't take her home to mom.

 

I just want to have a party companion that's on my level of fun for the week.

 

No one is pretending. We are playing for the week in an adult playground.

 

I'm already spending on me. She's just coming along.

 

Okay I might have read a little too much into it then :D

 

Then if u have the money: go for it if she got a nice lil shape! :p enjoy!

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A friends fiancé (shortly after getting engaged) wanted to surprise my friend with a birthday party. She only told him they were going to Vegas. But she paid round trip air from SFO to Mccaran+ hotel for 15 or so people to be there to surprise him on his birthday. She made pretty good money though and her family was well off to begin with.

 

I wouldn't pay for something like that, just saying I guess it depends on what you think a big deal is or how special the occasion and motivated you are to make it fun.

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Of course.

 

Only the lowest scum of a human being goes away with a guy for a weekend or a week and hooks up with other dudes.

 

EVERYONE knows that.

 

She can do all the chicks in Miami though. I never have a problem with that. lol

 

:lmao: "everyone knows that." Tell it to yoga chick, who you were so convinced was a soul mate until you couldn't blind yourself anymore. Come on, you're asking whether your concert girl is going to be akin to a sugar baby and then you want to get moralistic about things? Talk about splitting hairs.

 

Edited to add...I think an escort/SB situation or a GF situation would have one thing in common: clear expectations about "fidelity", so to speak. FWB, not so much. As you've learned in the past. Which was the point I was going to make originally. Why can't you just accept comments when you ask for them? Sheesh.

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