risjurad Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 I'd like that. However, I'm also the kind of person that misses social cues in general, so take that with a grain of salt. I feel like it can honestly go both ways with the whether or not you get pegged as being too open, or not open enough. In fact, I've been taking mental notes about some of the stuff in this thread, like if she smiles or touches you, although with the former, I have trouble in general finding out if she's smiling just to be nice, or if she really is enjoying herself.
scooby-philly Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 I love this question!!!! Thank you for having the gumption to post it. I think this is one of those areas where people's expectations/perceptions, etc all play a factor and that while one person may view something one way, the other person views it another. I'm on board with the previous comments and everyone gave great responses thus far. I learned the hard way about women who give it up "too easy". Sex was great in the beginning - but then as her real personality came out not only did the relationship go south, the sex did too. I would agree - a woman needs to show interest - touching or hair playing, smiling, eye contanct to make sure the guy knows there's interest. I think the more you like someone the more it should happen. By the 3rd or 4th or 5th date I think there should be clear signs - real flirting or a lot more interaction or touching. While many guys are enlightened, a lot of mixed signals can occur unintentionally so if you reach that milestone and it's not clear a lot of guys may hesitate because it's not clear. I also think that there's nothing wrong with a woman initiating - but again - not on the first couple of dates. And asking when unclear is good. I met a smart and attractive middle eastern woman (decent) and while we went on 3 or 4 dates - and I assumed she was at least still interested as she kept saying yes - the endings always felt awkward - at least to me (then again I'm slightly awkard) Anyway - the slickest thing I ever did - on the 4th/5th date we met downtown and I parked right by my work so she picked me up we had our date and then she dropped me off on the way back. About 3-4 blocks before the garage I asked her to pull over when i saw there was street parking and traffic was safe. WHen she parked I asked her "Can i kiss you" - which she totally responded to. Yes - when in doubt - run. If you're unsure ask. 1
BronzeAgeJaeger217 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 This sums up how 99% of women are: “Women in general will not approach or talk to men first. They will not plan dates, they will not call or text first, and they simply will not make anything interesting actually happen until you have had sex with them and have officially formed a relationship that is socially recognized."
TaraMaiden2 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 This sums up how 99% of women are: “Women in general will not approach or talk to men first. They will not plan dates, they will not call or text first, and they simply will not make anything interesting actually happen until you have had sex with them and have officially formed a relationship that is socially recognized." I presume from your calculation therefore that 1% are hookers?
Popsicle Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 If you do these things and the guy doesn't pick up on it, he may be on the asperges's spectrum or have other serious confidence issues. Can't argue with that. This is a really good thread!
road Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Many men fear rejection when they ask a woman out. Though they like her so much, it makes them take the risk and they ask her out. When they get that first date they fear that things may go wrong and will not get a 2nd date. On the 1st date many men are totally clueless at picking up signs on how well the date is going for her. Going all the way on a 1st date is not a requirement for the man to want a 2nd date. Though he would like some physical interaction there is a battle going through his mind. Does he make the first move, does that kill a 2nd date. If he doesn't make a move does that kill a 2nd date. Then he decides to make a move, then the next battle is how much of a move is too much or not enough to cause him to lose the 2nd date. Now a woman can help this by initiating little contacts. Bumping into him as they walk. Eventually hold his hand. Give him a kiss at the end of the date. Women are masters of the Chicken Wing Defensive Posture. Man pulls in a woman in close, it never fails how a woman can bring in her arms faster then the speed of light to control and maintain the personal space. Even including leaning their torsos and heads back. The CWDP allows the woman to control the situation. She can single that you better let go, it's ok for you to keep holding my like this but I won't let it go any farther. So to the OP, as a woman if you want some physical contact on a date then just initiate it. Just go little by little. There is no reason to go farther then you are comfortable with. As a man I would have no problem with a woman helping things progress. 1
BronzeAgeJaeger217 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 I presume from your calculation therefore that 1% are hookers? No I'm staying that most women, almost all will not help a man at all, even if they are attracted to him in progressing a relationship or starting one
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